30 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Do you even follow hockey?

 

That would be a "NO" for me. 

Posting Kiper's mock as he does have connections. 

Has us picking Waddle at #6. In this scenario, I don't see how we don't trade down.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Posting Kiper's mock as he does have connections. 

Has us picking Waddle at #6. In this scenario, I don't see how we don't trade down.

QBs ALWAYS get overdrafted, so if Fields or Lance are on the board at 6, it's almost certain someone will trade up.

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Hockey sucks. Keep it to football and 6ers in here. 

If soccer teams were more like hockey then soccer would almost be watchable.  But breathe on a soccer player and they go to the ground until someone gives them a dose of the magic spray (every since my wife had me watch My Big Fat Greek Wedding, I have thought that must be Windex).  Just like the last watchable moment in baseball was Pete Rose taking out Ray Fosse for blocking the bag.  Heck now they want to make the DH universal taking out manager moves with pitchers due at the plate.  

What are you, like 30 minutes from Wilkes-Barre, where you can watch the Penguins. Giant Arena for a Bears game is an hour for me traffic willing.

I just did my 1st mock draft on TDN and forgot we currently don't have a 4th round pick thanks to the pointless trade for Avery.  We need that pick.  There are a lot of good players, especially RBs to be had that deep in the draft.  I don't know much about the strength of positions round 5-7, but I'd take this rounds 1-3.  We obviously need defense, but this is the way the board fell:

6.

Philadelphia Eagles
DeVonta Smith
WR, Alabama

38.

Philadelphia Eagles
Wyatt Davis
IOL, Ohio State

70.

Philadelphia Eagles
Josh Myers
IOL, Ohio State

Ja'Marr Chase is his #2 overall player.

11 minutes ago, RLC said:

Posting Kiper's mock as he does have connections. 

Has us picking Waddle at #6. In this scenario, I don't see how we don't trade down.

Waddle as a top 10 pick is insane.  Us picking him at 6 is even worse, imo. 

 

19 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I think both Schwartz and Doug got a free pass for a couple years coming off the SB win.

But the list of DBs who failed here but are starting elsewhere is a black mark on Schwartz and his schemes. One or two I can see, but a half dozen?  Poyer, Ware, Douglas, Jones, Sullivan, Darby.

And it was obvious that Doug had no clue how to coach Wentz, which is probably the reason for the bad blood, Wentz was being asked to do things that didn't fit his skill set or his entire training (he was in a pro system in college, then under a pocket QB in Reich) - and it's understandable that he didn't want to become a Foles clone. Which also makes it hard to judge the WRs the last couple years.

Sirianni will come in with a clean slate, he's coached guys like Rivers and Luck and Brissett, not the one read college QBs suited for the RPO. So I think he'll have no problem with a reset with Wentz. Hurts will be more interesting, coming off the bench, a RPO package makes sense in his 2nd season, but my suspicion is they'll gauge how well he picks up on traditional QB concepts and reads and make a long-term decision after next year. But Wentz will be the starter, you don't give up on a guy with that kind of upside, irregardless of the contract. Given Sirianni's history, I see more quick developing plays and a lot of coordination with Stoutland on meshing pass protection with play design. And a lot of stress on RBs and blitz pickup, which was dreadful last season (JR, does RPO concepts mess with RBs identifying blitzers?).

Same with the WRs, while they'll bring in new blood, I think they'll also put a heavy stress on fundamentals of route running, catching with your hands, blocking, etc. Most players coming out of college aren't well coached, or there wouldn't be so many middle round and UDFA guys who emerge after a couple years with good pro coaching. A guy like Fulgham needs hard coaching, either he responds or he'll be history in a year.

Poyer and Ware were looooooooong gone by the time Schwartz got here. Douglas tailed off badly, Jones made a few plays but wasn’t good. Then got hurt. 

 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Waddle as a top 10 pick is insane.  Us picking him at 6 is even worse, imo. 

 

Yeah, I'd like to avoid people with broken ankles and knees early if it'd be ok with everybody.

12 minutes ago, RLC said:

Posting Kiper's mock as he does have connections. 

Has us picking Waddle at #6. In this scenario, I don't see how we don't trade down.

  Kiper cracks me up.   In desperate need of a QB, WTF takes Toney?  Detroit and Carolina go QB?  Eagles can’t trade down with one or the other on the threat of trading with another QB needy team?   Good for a laugh. What this pretty much guarantees is a snowball has a better chance in hell than Waddle does of being drafted by the Eagles. 

14 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

If soccer teams were more like hockey then soccer would almost be watchable.  But breathe on a soccer player and they go to the ground until someone gives them a dose of the magic spray (every since my wife had me watch My Big Fat Greek Wedding, I have thought that must be Windex).  Just like the last watchable moment in baseball was Pete Rose taking out Ray Fosse for blocking the bag.  Heck now they want to make the DH universal taking out manager moves with pitchers due at the plate.  

What are you, like 30 minutes from Wilkes-Barre, where you can watch the Penguins. Giant Arena for a Bears game is an hour for me traffic willing.

Yeah I've been to some penguins games there.  My friend is a team physician for them. I only go when he takes me so it's free. 

16 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I think both Schwartz and Doug got a free pass for a couple years coming off the SB win.

But the list of DBs who failed here but are starting elsewhere is a black mark on Schwartz and his schemes. One or two I can see, but a half dozen?  Poyer, Ware, Douglas, Jones, Sullivan, Darby.

And it was obvious that Doug had no clue how to coach Wentz, which is probably the reason for the bad blood, Wentz was being asked to do things that didn't fit his skill set or his entire training (he was in a pro system in college, then under a pocket QB in Reich) - and it's understandable that he didn't want to become a Foles clone. Which also makes it hard to judge the WRs the last couple years.

Sirianni will come in with a clean slate, he's coached guys like Rivers and Luck and Brissett, not the one read college QBs suited for the RPO. So I think he'll have no problem with a reset with Wentz. Hurts will be more interesting, coming off the bench, a RPO package makes sense in his 2nd season, but my suspicion is they'll gauge how well he picks up on traditional QB concepts and reads and make a long-term decision after next year. But Wentz will be the starter, you don't give up on a guy with that kind of upside, irregardless of the contract. Given Sirianni's history, I see more quick developing plays and a lot of coordination with Stoutland on meshing pass protection with play design. And a lot of stress on RBs and blitz pickup, which was dreadful last season (JR, does RPO concepts mess with RBs identifying blitzers?).

Same with the WRs, while they'll bring in new blood, I think they'll also put a heavy stress on fundamentals of route running, catching with your hands, blocking, etc. Most players coming out of college aren't well coached, or there wouldn't be so many middle round and UDFA guys who emerge after a couple years with good pro coaching. A guy like Fulgham needs hard coaching, either he responds or he'll be history in a year.

No. With a one-back set, the RB is going to run the ball unless the QB pulls it. He's not looking to pick up a blitzer nor is he in position to. Even with a two-back set, there's almost no need for blitz pickup if the ball comes out on time. It's reach - pull - throw. The ball should be out in under two seconds.

However, if the QB pulls it and doesn't throw on time, he's f'd.

52 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Been re-watching some games from this past season - just offense at the moment - and I wanted to chime in on the RPO comments that several posters have made. Without doing an exact charting, which would still involve some guesswork, I have come to the conclusion that Wentz is terrible at RPOs and many of his INTs come on them. As far as I can tell, he hates to make two reads on a play. On the first, whether to give it to the RB or keep, he seems to be reading the DL or LB on the LOS rather than the S or LB or CB the RPO is designed to attack. When he pulls the ball and looks to the receiver, he seems unable to make the quick read and release the ball on time. Why? Because the coverage is his second read. So, he holds it and the RPO is out the window. Since the play is designed to be a 2-second or less read and release, the rest of the offense is basically running for show rather than effect. Then, since he has not gone through a regular set of reads (because it is an RPO), he has to pick up a secondary or tertiary receiver who may or may not be running a tight pattern. Put another way, mentally he's running an RPO the same way he would run a regular read-option. Posters have complained here, quite rightly, about the lack of mesh concept patterns. Since RPOs are almost a direct antithesis of the mesh concepts, we hardly ran them. By antithesis I mean that the mesh concept involves crossing routes and legal picks, patterns that involve receivers working in close proximity to each other before spreading out whereas the RPO involves a receiver running to an open area where only one guy is in coverage and that's the guy the RPO is designed to attack. Since Wentz is a tick behind on his reads, his ball always comes out late and DBs have that extra time to close on the receiver or jump the route.

In 2017 we hardly ran any RPOs. Doug put them in late, when Foles came in. Even then, it took some time for Foles to get a full grip on them. And, since Doug won a SB with the RPO, he fell in love with it, to Wentz's detriment. Remember when he had the three-depths pattern - short, medium, and long on the same side? That's a great concept for Wentz because he has the big arm to make the throw into a tight window and the read is simple, since all three receivers are in his line of sight.

We can criticize Wentz for poor play, justifiably, but I think we can and should also criticize Doug for play design. I have reached the conclusion that the fault lies more with Doug than with Wentz. In our common parlance, he was not coaching to the strengths of his players. I believe a lot of those plays that Wentz killed were called RPOs, and he hated them.

I hope this makes some sense.

What are your observation on the OL line play? The lack of continuity and cohesiveness due to all the injuries....how do they hold up?

11 minutes ago, RLC said:

Ja'Marr Chase is his #2 overall player.

Interesting list. Pitts #3, Farley at #5, Smith at #7, Surtain at #15.

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

What are you talking about?  They have plenty of speed.  They are just not good on defense and I think they need to move on from G, JVR and Voracek.  But they have plenty of young, quick forwards.  

I said it in the Flyers thread the other night.  He's slightly overrated.  

Nah, team speed is poor.  Even the young guys aren't top end skaters.  Good players but not top end skaters.  

8 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Interesting list. Pitts #3, Farley at #5, Smith at #7, Surtain at #15.

Pitts is going to test through the roof.  People need to forget the TE label with him.  Offensive Weapon.

2 hours ago, Khani1 said:

Based on what?  If you look at his stats from the start of last year until current day, he is 21st in GAA and 40th in save percentage.

Did you miss the playoffs last year?

25 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

  Kiper cracks me up.   In desperate need of a QB, WTF takes Toney?  Detroit and Carolina go QB?  Eagles can’t trade down with one or the other on the threat of trading with another QB needy team?   Good for a laugh. What this pretty much guarantees is a snowball has a better chance in hell than Waddle does of being drafted by the Eagles. 

Kyper sucks, and he is one of the worst at projecting who teams will actually pick.  I am pretty sure the EMB mock draft has a higher success rate than Kyper.

Just finished the first 2 episodes of S c h itts Creek.  Does it get better?

5 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Just finished the first 2 episodes of S c h itts Creek.  Does it get better?

No

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 None of them have to be top end skaters.  You’re acting like they are the 2002 Flyers.  Speed is low on the list of concerns.  Very low.  

Disagree.   Defensive zone exit is likely the most important concern but their lack of speed makes it so easy for teams to back check on them, makes our back check pathetic and one of the reasons we give up so many odd man rushes, and so easy to beat them to the puck when the flyers dump and chase in the offensive zone.  Speed is a problem

4 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Just finished the first 2 episodes of S c h itts Creek.  Does it get better?

Wife and I tried it once highly recommended by my mom.  We watched 1 episode,  or less and gave up. 

Then,  one of Mrs HEs friends suggested it so we gave it another shot and have been binging it every chance we get, laughing through every epsiode. 

It does get a bit better.  But if you get another 2 episodes in and still don't like it,  then it's probably just not your thing.

50 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Poyer and Ware were looooooooong gone by the time Schwartz got here. Douglas tailed off badly, Jones made a few plays but wasn’t good. Then got hurt. 

Rowe was traded for a 4th rd pick 9/7/16, after Schwartz had him for a full training camp.

You right about Poyer, Chip gave up on him early.

 

43 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Pitts is going to test through the roof.  People need to forget the TE label with him.  Offensive Weapon.

I would hate Pitts at 6. I understand his athleticism and he's more than a TE, but there are better guys you can get at six. And I want them to move away from this 12 personnel set. Doug ran it 35% of the time last season (highest in the league tied with TEN). Indy ran it 21% of the time, which was middle of the road. Indy ran 3 WR sets almost 70% of the time last season, so that's what I'd expect here and them to add another WR into the mix.