Just now, austinfan said:

The Eagles run a consensus model of management, everyone gets input, Howie is more the tie breaker than decision maker.

It requires the right personnel, but there are more checks and balances than the strong GM (look at how many franchises were deep sixed in two years or so by strong GMs).

Can anyone tell me Doug and Schwartz's personnel preferences, other than 4-3 one gap linemen?  What does Doug like in WRs, Schwartz in DBs?

I think this why 2016 was stronger than the next few drafts, the room was dominated by the personnel guys. When the coaches had more power, especially after the SB (this is what I think we need to return . . .) drafts and other decisions suffered. The SB win made Doug and Schwartz look smarter than they were (even now we read how could they fire a SB winning coach?).

Now the coaches should have input, as much as scouts, but it shouldn't be "I have a crush on  . . ." Rather, the coaches should have a strong idea of which players fit their schemes and why, communicate that to the personnel people, so when they're evaluating players they're looking for those characteristics. Which is why you need detailed oriented coaches with a strong vision for the kind of team they want to build, and the players who fit that team. That sets the template, and the personnel guys can evaluate for that template, rather than end up in I want him, no him, no he's the player we should want. If everyone is on the same page, the board should fall into place.

Exactly how do you know this to be true?

Just now, austinfan said:

The Eagles run a consensus model of management, everyone gets input, Howie is more the tie breaker than decision maker.

It requires the right personnel, but there are more checks and balances than the strong GM (look at how many franchises were deep sixed in two years or so by strong GMs).

Can anyone tell me Doug and Schwartz's personnel preferences, other than 4-3 one gap linemen?  What does Doug like in WRs, Schwartz in DBs?

I think this why 2016 was stronger than the next few drafts, the room was dominated by the personnel guys. When the coaches had more power, especially after the SB (this is what I think we need to return . . .) drafts and other decisions suffered. The SB win made Doug and Schwartz look smarter than they were (even now we read how could they fire a SB winning coach?).

Now the coaches should have input, as much as scouts, but it shouldn't be "I have a crush on  . . ." Rather, the coaches should have a strong idea of which players fit their schemes and why, communicate that to the personnel people, so when they're evaluating players they're looking for those characteristics. Which is why you need detailed oriented coaches with a strong vision for the kind of team they want to build, and the players who fit that team. That sets the template, and the personnel guys can evaluate for that template, rather than end up in I want him, no him, no he's the player we should want. If everyone is on the same page, the board should fall into place.

So.... does this model also structure contracts poorly and over pay old players?   

 

So, again, what exactly does Howie do?   I watched this team be deep sixed by whatever you want to classify this approach as.   Ultimately, in any approach, someone has to have final say, and supposedly that guy is Howie.  So, when it fails, he needs to take responsibility.  If its Doug... then let him decide who his coaches are... oh wait, they overruled that.  So, they over rule his coach choices, but don't over rule his player choices?   That's logically inconsistent, so I call BS on that.  

 

But, again, what is Howie actually responsible for?  What does he actually do?

3 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Exactly how do you know this to be true?

We know who he is...  no other explanation.  He is Lowie, which is why he always defends them and everything they do, literally everything!

9 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Exactly how do you know this to be true?

Peer-reviewed study from the Polytechnic Institute of Narrative Shoveling.

 

13 hours ago, schuy7 said:

Will Parsons make us that much better? I don't think so.

100% he would.

He's the exact type of player you build your defense around.  Probably the best LB prospect to come out since Luke Kuechly. 

Just now, hukdonfoniks said:

100% he would.

He's the exact type of player you build your defense around.  Probably the best LB prospect to come out since Luke Kuechly. 

I think he's going to have too much baggage to convince the Eagles to finally take a LB in round 1.

16 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Exactly how do you know this to be true?

Because they have said it.  Both coaches and Howie.  They talked about if Howie liked two players, he would pick the one Schwartz liked.  Now I suspect this past draft he may have known Schwartz wasn’t going to be extended and the fact Schwartz wouldn’t play the defensive picks may have had something to do with a disconnect between Howie and Schwartz but that is just a suspicion, not something I know to be true.

3 minutes ago, Boy Hits Car said:

Peer-reviewed study from the Polytechnic Institute of Narrative Shoveling.

No. I believe Afan is right. Howie has said things much to this effect and hiring the likes of Joe Douglas and Andrew Berry indicates, at least to me, that he is looking for strong input.

26 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I've never seen that insinuated anywhere. Complete opposite, actually. I've seen people that think he's slower than he really is.

I've never heard that comparison either. To me he's just a really good route Runner with great hands and an eye for the ball. I don't care what his speed is, the kids a baller. 

As I said last year I don't care if they run a 4.3 or 4.5. As long as they have amazing hands and great route-running skills. That's what we need. Enough of the projects, let's get people that can actually play

33 minutes ago, The Holy Vagabond said:

Kiper has the Eagles taking Waddle at 6 if Smith and Chase and Sewell are gone? If those 3 are gone and a trade down isn’t available, I would think the pick is grab Parsons. 

If somehow Smith and Chase and Sewell were all gone and we could not trade back due to no takers, I'd be very upset if Waddle was the pick. There are other options and no QB is not one of them. 

Let's be honest who the hell is this Kiper guy anyway? What the hell does he know

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

A QB competition going into the offseason is the worst possible scenario for next year. They need to pick a QB and trade the other. Then they can properly focus on developing that QB and building the offense around their strengths. 

2 hours ago, aptosbird said:

What are your observation on the OL line play? The lack of continuity and cohesiveness due to all the injuries....how do they hold up?

Not surprisingly, I thought it was a mess. We run a zone blocking scheme and the key to that in the run game is a double-team block and release by one of the blockers to the second level. That block comes in two parts - the double-team and the release. On the double team, the two blockers have to hit the defender simultaneously and with no space between them so that the defender can't split it. With all the changes, the timing on this blocks wasn't there. Guys were not hitting simultaneously. That allows the defender the chance to beat the first block or at least stone it so the hole is not there. The second part, the release, requires two guys who are comfortable with each other such that one of them can release when he feels the other guy has the defender under control. That takes endless repetitions because it is all done by feel.

Hope that makes sense to you.

5 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said:

100% he would.

He's the exact type of player you build your defense around.  Probably the best LB prospect to come out since Luke Kuechly. 

I think it's more likely the Eagles select a QB than Parsons.  

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Why would anybody want an open QB competition in training camp?  The organization has already decided who the #1 QB is.  It's merely a question on what, if anything, to do with Hurts as the #2.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Why would anybody want an open QB competition in training camp?  The organization has already decided who the #1 QB is.  It's merely a question on what, if anything, to do with Hurts as the #2.

Because they hate Carson Wentz

9 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

A QB competition going into the offseason is the worst possible scenario for next year. They need to pick a QB and trade the other. Then they can properly focus on developing that QB and building the offense around their strengths. 

 

I agree especially since the two QBs offer different styles and from what I read about the coach he molds his offense to fit the teams/QBs strengths so as a staff they need to focus on one QB and move on from the other because the offenses they create for each QB will be totally different. 

Stafford being on the market will lower the demand for a QB until his situation is resolved.  Pioli said on NFL Radio this morning he wouldn't be shocked if a deal is done before the Super Bowl -- kind of like with the Alex Smith trade a few years ago.

20 minutes ago, justrelax said:

No. I believe Afan is right. Howie has said things much to this effect and hiring the likes of Joe Douglas and Andrew Berry indicates, at least to me, that he is looking for strong input.

Seems like Howie is just a figure head then.   He takes the plans from the front office and hands them to the coaches... or is it vice versa?   

I know Howie has people skills...

Ok guys here’s a guy to keep an eye on at WR. 

Someone I hope the Eagles look at is TJ Vasher from Texas Tech. 
 

At 6’6 215 he runs well. Draws comparisons to AJ Green from multiple draft guides.  He’s a matchup nightmare with his size and speed. Not a burner but has nice wheels for a big guy. Makes crazy catches nice body control good hands. This guy is hard to cover. 
 

Now for the knocks.Not a lot of tape on him he didn’t play much  Doesn’t have great numbers was injured a few times and missed games. Also has Character issues. Bad work ethics. 
 

This guy has all the potential in the world. Will he get his stuff together? I’ll say this if he runs in the 4.4-low 4.5 range expect him to climb in this draft. I believe he can be DK/Aj green 

 

31 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Not surprisingly, I thought it was a mess. We run a zone blocking scheme and the key to that in the run game is a double-team block and release by one of the blockers to the second level. That block comes in two parts - the double-team and the release. On the double team, the two blockers have to hit the defender simultaneously and with no space between them so that the defender can't split it. With all the changes, the timing on this blocks wasn't there. Guys were not hitting simultaneously. That allows the defender the chance to beat the first block or at least stone it so the hole is not there. The second part, the release, requires two guys who are comfortable with each other such that one of them can release when he feels the other guy has the defender under control. That takes endless repetitions because it is all done by feel.

Hope that makes sense to you.

Yup, thanks....the timing can be explained away with constantly changing personnel and limited reps together.

42 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

"Are we giving Wentz all the leverage"

Wentz has had all the leverage all along.  I feel sorry for anyone who thought otherwise.

3 hours ago, hputenis said:

I just did my 1st mock draft on TDN and forgot we currently don't have a 4th round pick thanks to the pointless trade for Avery.  We need that pick.  There are a lot of good players, especially RBs to be had that deep in the draft.  I don't know much about the strength of positions round 5-7, but I'd take this rounds 1-3.  We obviously need defense, but this is the way the board fell:

6.

Philadelphia Eagles
DeVonta Smith
WR, Alabama

38.

Philadelphia Eagles
Wyatt Davis
IOL, Ohio State

70.

Philadelphia Eagles
Josh Myers
IOL, Ohio State

I tried a mock draft simulator last night.  In the 1st DET wanted to trade up a spot so I took their offer.  Then at 7 I wasn't happy with the options so traded back again to 12 with DEN.  DeVonta Smith was still there so was BPA by far.  I had collected 2 more 3rd round picks and an extra 5th, which I used to trade up  a few spots in the 3rd.  I also got Davis in the 2nd then in the 3rd added the S Nasirildeen, LB Jabril Cox and CB Aaron Robinson.  

I do agree that a trade back to pick up extra picks is a good way to go since there's lots of value in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.  So I, too, would like to see us end up with more picks there.