1 minute ago, downundermike said:

13-3

 

2-14

Yeah... Chip had a great opening press conference here too. Snake oil salesmen sure can spin a yarn.

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

It's the dumbest thing. The majority of GMs have this.

I would still prefer firing Howie, but him having 53 control is not a reason to do that.

What he's done with it is

15 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Which is why he won't be traded. You won't get back anything close to his upside.

Hurts is two years from being a starting NFL QB if ever, Wentz started as a rookie, Hurts came in and was shut down in every second half as soon as a DC went to a spy and took away t he option to run. Hurts has to learn how to pass out of the pocket, the arm isn't the problem it's average, it's the mental aspect.

20 minutes ago, greend said:

Doesn't mean anything other than my first impression is not good

Understand. 

Eric Bieniemy generated quite a rap sheet for bad decisions.

• According to the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, Colorado police arrested Bieniemy and teammate Kanvavis McGhee following a February 1998 bar fight. Bieniemy was charged with disorderly conduct and fighting in public, but he pleaded no contest. He and McGhee each received deferred sentences and performed court-mandated community service.
• According to the Orlando Sentinel, Bienemy pleaded no contest after allegedly shoving a firefighter on July 4, 1990. Colorado suspended Bieniemy for one game in the upcoming season.
• Colorado police once again arrested Bieniemy, then in the NFL, in September 1993. The Orlando Sentinel reported that Bieniemy allegedly grabbed a female parking attendant by the neck and threatened her.
  
  The University of Colorado Boulder banned Bieniemy from its campus for one year as a result.
  
  "She stated that the male who grabbed her said something about ‘a bunch of Black males all at once being her worst nightmare,” the attendant told police, according to the arrest report.

 

• According to the Daily Bruin, Colorado police arrested Bieniemy on a DUI charge in April 2001, three months after he joined the football staff as a running backs coach. He previously had his driver’s license suspended after numerous violations. 
• Bieniemy was also linked to allegations that Colorado’s football program "used alcohol and sex to lure recruits.” ESPN reported in 2004 that the university discovered there was evidence of drugs and alcohol being used to "entice recruits,” but no university officials were guilty of misconduct.
  
  Bieniemy left Colorado after the 2002 season to take the same position at UCLA.

2 minutes ago, greend said:

What he's done with it is

100% correct.

11 minutes ago, downundermike said:

At the end of the day, the GM has final say.  If reports are true, he took the staffs advice and took Reagor over Jefferson.  So do you want the GM to have final say or not.

I didn't mention Reagor. I mentioned Hurts and JJAW. The Reagor pick wasn't necessarily an example of being a control freak, just a bad process. I think Hurts and JJAW were though if it's true Lurie meddled on the JJAW pick.

12 minutes ago, greend said:

I think you're having a stroke

Lol I thought I had scrolled up accidentally to the first post and had a wtf moment

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

13-3

 

2-14

Well done.
 

People just have short memories and are naturally more critical of others than their selves. 

Just now, austinfan said:

Which is why he won't be traded. You won't get back anything close to his upside.

Hurts is two years from being a starting NFL QB if ever, Wentz started as a rookie, Hurts came in and was shut down in every second half as soon as a DC went to a spy and took away t he option to run. Hurts has to learn how to pass out of the pocket, the arm isn't the problem it's average, it's the mental aspect.

Look at what the Rams got for Bradford and what the Eagles got for dumping him after he sucked. Different situations, but should at least be a first if they move him. 

Just now, Thrive said:

Well done.
 

People just have short memories and are naturally more critical of others than their selves. 

"Themselves"  😜

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

 

I dont understand why it has to come to all of this. 

He may havean outlandish style that no one likes. he could be a terrible interview. It doesnt have to be about race/  past history. 

Agree. But we are in a very sensitive time as a country so I get the current focus. I just hope we get through this phase soon here and get back to what really matters.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Look at what the Rams got for Bradford and what the Eagles got for dumping him after he sucked. Different situations, but should at least be a first if they move him. 

Have to take the timing and desperation of the Vikings into account on that as well.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Have to take the timing and desperation of the Vikings into account on that as well.

Understand, why I said different situations. He still sucked and they got a first. I wouldn't move Wentz for less, but that's just me. 

5 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

I don't think any rational Eagle fan can be happy with any of  Howie's more controversial  decisions, knowing he gets no accountability....I don't know why he gets such a clean pass on everything....rhetorically speaking...I do know the reason.

It's simple, they had two choices after 2018, blow it up or double down. Lurie voted to double down. It failed. Now they'll blow it up.

Thing is imagine the media if they blew it up after 2018, you're letting all the guys who won a SB walk and not replacing them? (Because they'd still have to eat dead money, not as much but enough to curtail FA activity for an offseason). They go 6-10 in 2019 and the Philly media would have gone crazy.

The 2017 team was built primarily on 3 drafts, 2012 (Cox, Curry, Kendricks, Foles), 2013 (Lane, Ertz) and 2016 (Wentz, Vaitai, Seumalo) and FA/trade acquisitions (Blount, Jeffrey, Smith. Brooks, Wisniewski, Jerrigan, Bradham, Darby, Jenkins, McLeod). That team only had a 3 year window or so to win. Then it turned into a pumpkin.

23 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

people who know football within the league know wentz has talent, the only ones who think he suks are the reporters and the idiots who listen to them.   i mean like DUH

Let's say we trade Wentz for a late first.

Now you have Hurts and ??? Gonna draft Fields with #6?  Rather just go with Wentz.

49ers hired Rich Scangarello and Cory Undlin. What are they doing?

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

49ers hired Rich Scangarello and Cory Undlin. What are they doing?

They have the hot HC in Saleh that we missed out on. Obviously he must know what he's doing since Lowie didn't hire him.

 

Just now, austinfan said:

It's simple, they had two choices after 2018, blow it up or double down. Lurie voted to double down. It failed. Now they'll blow it up.

Thing is imagine the media if they blew it up after 2018, you're letting all the guys who won a SB walk and not replacing them? (Because they'd still have to eat dead money, not as much but enough to curtail FA activity for an offseason). They go 6-10 in 2019 and the Philly media would have gone crazy.

The 2017 team was built primarily on 3 drafts, 2012 (Cox, Curry, Kendricks, Foles), 2013 (Lane, Ertz) and 2016 (Wentz, Vaitai, Seumalo) and FA/trade acquisitions (Blount, Jeffrey, Smith. Brooks, Wisniewski, Jerrigan, Bradham, Darby, Jenkins, McLeod). That team only had a 3 year window or so to win. Then it turned into a pumpkin.

You have been tossing this false dilemma fallacy around for a while.   Let it go.  There were other options.

 

1 - Draft better.  

2 - Sign cheap veterans to fill in for poor draft choices to fill in those gaps, just like they did leading up to that Super season.  But, rather than do that, they chose to add expensive, less talented aging players... trading away draft assets for players that didn't fit, unlike the nice fits that they added in 2017.

 

How about we just acknowledge what now seems to be clearly obvious.  2017 wasn't some grand master plan, where a corps group of players really grew together and took incremental steps to improve and reach the pinnacle - like Andy Reid's run in the early 2000s.  Instead, this was lightning in a bottle.   I thank God for it.  It was a great ride, but this organization greatly overestimated how they built it, and they went away from the formula that magically worked.   Look at the signings before that season... and look at the 'splash' moves that they made since then.   

31 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Thank god Brian Westbrook is on the radio making sense about the PC.

People need to calm down.

It’s just jokes. I don’t think anyone’s calling for him to be fired. 

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

They have the hot HC in Saleh that we missed out on. Obviously he must know what he's doing since Lowie didn't hire him.

I have no idea what this means

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

I have no idea what this means

i think it’s called gibberish 

9 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

people who know football within the league know wentz has talent, the only ones who think he suks are the reporters and the idiots who listen to them.   i mean like DUH

Yea and NFL GMs traded for Sam Bradford twice. Of course Wentz has talent; that’s never the question with him.