40 minutes ago, greend said:

So 1 super bowl win and then onto the next coach

Basically the plan. 

23 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Eric Bieniemy generated quite a rap sheet for bad decisions.

• According to the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, Colorado police arrested Bieniemy and teammate Kanvavis McGhee following a February 1998 bar fight. Bieniemy was charged with disorderly conduct and fighting in public, but he pleaded no contest. He and McGhee each received deferred sentences and performed court-mandated community service.
• According to the Orlando Sentinel, Bienemy pleaded no contest after allegedly shoving a firefighter on July 4, 1990. Colorado suspended Bieniemy for one game in the upcoming season.
• Colorado police once again arrested Bieniemy, then in the NFL, in September 1993. The Orlando Sentinel reported that Bieniemy allegedly grabbed a female parking attendant by the neck and threatened her.
  
  The University of Colorado Boulder banned Bieniemy from its campus for one year as a result.
  
  "She stated that the male who grabbed her said something about ‘a bunch of Black males all at once being her worst nightmare,” the attendant told police, according to the arrest report.

 

• According to the Daily Bruin, Colorado police arrested Bieniemy on a DUI charge in April 2001, three months after he joined the football staff as a running backs coach. He previously had his driver’s license suspended after numerous violations. 
• Bieniemy was also linked to allegations that Colorado’s football program "used alcohol and sex to lure recruits.” ESPN reported in 2004 that the university discovered there was evidence of drugs and alcohol being used to "entice recruits,” but no university officials were guilty of misconduct.
  
  Bieniemy left Colorado after the 2002 season to take the same position at UCLA.

People change sometimes

With Wentz it isn't a question of talent it is what Wentz do you believe you are getting. 2017 Wentz  or 2018/2019 Wentz or 2020 Wentz....

People who don't want Wentz for whatever reason say 2020 is the real Wentz 

People who love Wentz for whatever reason say 2017 is the real Wentz  

 

When reality Wentz is probably the version we saw in 18/19  solid top 10ish type QB 

1 minute ago, phil77 said:

With Wentz it isn't a question of talent it is what Wentz do you believe you are getting. 2017 Wentz  or 2018/2019 Wentz or 2020 Wentz....

People who don't want Wentz for whatever reason say 2020 is the real Wentz 

People who love Wentz for whatever reason say 2017 is the real Wentz  

 

When reality Wentz is probably the version we saw in 18/19  solid top 10ish type QB 

But even if we agree (which I no longer do) that the 2018/2019 version was a "top 10ish” player, then I’d argue that such is only a borderline franchise QB and you should always be on the lookout for something better. And if so, trading him should not be so off putting to people. 

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You have been tossing this false dilemma fallacy around for a while.   Let it go.  There were other options.

 

1 - Draft better.  

2 - Sign cheap veterans to fill in for poor draft choices to fill in those gaps, just like they did leading up to that Super season.  But, rather than do that, they chose to add expensive, less talented aging players... trading away draft assets for players that didn't fit, unlike the nice fits that they added in 2017.

 

How about we just acknowledge what now seems to be clearly obvious.  2017 wasn't some grand master plan, where a corps group of players really grew together and took incremental steps to improve and reach the pinnacle - like Andy Reid's run in the early 2000s.  Instead, this was lightning in a bottle.   I thank God for it.  It was a great ride, but this organization greatly overestimated how they built it, and they went away from the formula that magically worked.   Look at the signings before that season... and look at the 'splash' moves that they made since then.   

Most of those signings weren't cheap, Jerrigan, McLeod, Brooks, Bradham, Jenkins, Jeffrey, all cost real money on multi-year deals. Only Blount and Smith were cheap one year deals, and they struggled to replace them. They did catch lightning in a bottle, but that team had at best a 3 year shelf life, which we've seen.

Chip dumped a lot of talent and got little or nothing in return and didn't draft well. So Howie had to build with FAs, he got lucky (no one hits 1000 on those moves), everything fell into place.

Then once they won the SB, it's hard to say we got lucky, we should blow it up and start over and do it right, especially in the NFL where everything is a 3 year cycle. So they overplayed their hand - this wasn't 2000 when the team was built after three drafts where they sucked and got to take players like Tra, Simon and McNabb in the top 10. That team had a core in their early 20s who aged together and had a five year run, then started to break down (2005, 2007), rebounded then finally fell apart (2011, 2012).

Now we have a chance to do a three year rebuild and have a couple big drafts with picks in the top 10.

18 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I respectfully disagree

Well there you go... Wentz can go join Reich and his buddy Press in Indiannapolis. Sorted. 

Did Sirianni say anything about Reagor?

28 minutes ago, BwianWestbwook said:

People change sometimes

I understand people change. Heck I’m proud as hell Vick did and has done as much good as he has afterwards. but that’s a lot and he has to be the overseer of an entire team and optically itds multiple incidents where he has screw ups and then came out better. Vick had one giant F up and he learned. It’s why i wouldn’t hire any head coach with that background even if they do change. Cause if they have one slip up everyone in the world would say you had signs this was gonna happen. White, black or Asian i wouldn’t hire them. Heck i wouldn’t hire starkisian cause i don’t know when press mounts and hits enormously at Texas is he strong enough not to revert back to what go him through in the past.

you can say you give players that chance which is true. Not going to argue that at all. However i think there’s a difference between player and HC. Plus we are entering a rebuild with a bunch of young players not sure the fact he was part of a scandal like that helps with the job here even if it was years ago. He was an adult then and responsible for those immature young adults and he was ok with doing that.  

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Did Sirianni say anything about Reagor?

He was asked about how he plans to use Reagor. I'm pretty sure it was a vague "we need to look at the film" type of answer.

Oh and he said he saw his explosiveness on film when they were looking at prospects for last year's draft too. But yeah he didn't really say much.

4 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Well there you go... Wentz can go join Reich and his buddy Press in Indiannapolis. Sorted. 

Why do you hate Wentz so much?

Lovie knows defense. 

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Wentz led the league in sacks and didn’t play the last three games. Our QBs were getting hammered almost every play.  Maybe the sat their oft injured, very expensive QB to protect him.  

Doug benched him because he was playing like pure crap. No other reason. 

2 hours ago, RLC said:

I'll take the coach who stutters over the coach who assaults women. That's just me though.

Take it to CVON? 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Did Sirianni say anything about Reagor?

Yeah. He needs to watch the tape but when they scouted WRs last draft he looked phenomenal. 

23 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Yea and NFL GMs traded for Sam Bradford twice. Of course Wentz has talent; that’s never the question with him.

Yep, he has all of the talent in the world and a ten cent head.

58 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

We can always hire him a PC coach.  May I suggest

 

The other guys reaction was great

26 minutes ago, phil77 said:

With Wentz it isn't a question of talent it is what Wentz do you believe you are getting. 2017 Wentz  or 2018/2019 Wentz or 2020 Wentz....

People who don't want Wentz for whatever reason say 2020 is the real Wentz 

People who love Wentz for whatever reason say 2017 is the real Wentz  

 

When reality Wentz is probably the version we saw in 18/19  solid top 10ish type QB 

Will the 'real' Carson Wentz please stand up?

12 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Doug benched him because he was playing like pure crap. No other reason. 

Yeah, I believe his last pass was that horrible deep ball to DG. He was just broken in 2020. 

I feel better about myself about going to any interview after that press conference. Thanks Nick!

12 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Doug benched him because he was playing like pure crap. No other reason. 

Wentz was taking a ton of punishment and the OL wasn’t getting any healthier.  At the point of 3-8-1 the Eagles decided the division wasn’t winnable and took a valuable opportunity to see what they had in their #53 overall pick to get him 4 games worth of live action.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Wentz was taking a ton of punishment and the OL wasn’t getting any healthier.  At the point of 3-8-1 the Eagles decided the division wasn’t winnable and took a valuable opportunity to see what they had in their #53 overall pick to get him 4 games worth of live action.

And wanted one last taste of Nate Unstoppable Sudfeld 

23 minutes ago, Thrive said:

But even if we agree (which I no longer do) that the 2018/2019 version was a "top 10ish” player, then I’d argue that such is only a borderline franchise QB and you should always be on the lookout for something better. And if so, trading him should not be so off putting to people. 

2018 is very underrated by fans because our record but Wentz was pretty good.

2018 his QB rating was 7th and his QBR was 12th  Watson for reference was 6th in QB rating and 13th in QBR 

2019 his QB rating was 13th and his QBR was 11th  Waton for reference was 11th in QB rating and 7th in QBR

So yes he was top 10ish in 2018/2019 if you agree or not. 

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Wentz was taking a ton of punishment and the OL wasn’t getting any healthier.  At the point of 3-8-1 the Eagles decided the division wasn’t winnable and took a valuable opportunity to see what they had in their #53 overall pick to get him 4 games worth of live action.

That’s a rather optimistic way to look at it. Especially since you probably didn’t say anything necessarily inaccurate.

Of course it’s very clearly incomplete but I’ll give you credit for the glass half-full perspective.