4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

There’s an easy middle ground here. People who say his PC wasn’t the greatest but will wait to make judgments on him as a head coach until he actually coaches. 

 

43 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

No, You have it backwards.. Howie shouldn't be telling Doug which coaches to keep or fire - I said a coach should sink or swim with his guys ... I wasn't saying I didn't believe Howie interfered, I was saying it was wrong. Advise, sure. But ultimately the coaches should be the HC decision. 

I don't believe the bit about game day actives.

Just so we're on the same page here, Howie is responsible for all draft picks. I'm not trying to work around that or point the finger someplace else. BUT, I'm convinced that Doug wanted Hurts. I don't believe Howie masterminds that pick. Thats the situation were the GM needs to tell the coach "NO".

That’s fair, to be convinced Doug wanted Hurts, even though he won a Super Bowl with a pocket passer, and his mentors QB was 10th in rushing this year with 300 yards, no where near what Hurts would have over 15-16 games.  I believe in the 2nd round Doug wanted Howie to draft someone to make his team better.   Then again in 2018, Doug could probably get what he wanted, but in 2019, 2020, and 2016, they really didn’t want him coaching their team and didn’t fire him earlier this season because they feared a revolt just 3 years after he won the SB.  
 

I’m convinced Howie and Jeff decided last offseason this was it for Doug, if he didn’t make the playoffs he was fired, even making the playoffs sub .500, fired.  I’m also convinced Doug knew it and didn’t care.  It’s likely the reason he put Suds in at QB.  Strange how him and Schwartz both were like "see ya next year, maybe”.   Or are they taking a year off to rejoin coaching in 2022 together?   

34 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

That’s fair, to be convinced Doug wanted Hurts, even though he won a Super Bowl with a pocket passer, and his mentors QB was 10th in rushing this year with 300 yards, no where near what Hurts would have over 15-16 games.  I believe in the 2nd round Doug wanted Howie to draft someone to make his team better.   Then again in 2018, Doug could probably get what he wanted, but in 2019, 2020, and 2016, they really didn’t want him coaching their team and didn’t fire him earlier this season because they feared a revolt just 3 years after he won the SB.  
 

I’m convinced Howie and Jeff decided last offseason this was it for Doug, if he didn’t make the playoffs he was fired, even making the playoffs sub .500, fired.  I’m also convinced Doug knew it and didn’t care.  It’s likely the reason he put Suds in at QB.  Strange how him and Schwartz both were like "see ya next year, maybe”.   Or are they taking a year off to rejoin coaching in 2022 together?   

Doug had a crap-eating grin on his face when the Hurts pick was announced — it was his pick, or he was heavily involved in the decision.  Also, Doug wasn’t fired because of the team’s record; if there was any plan to fire him in advance he’d have been let go the day after the regular season ended.  Doug was fired for philosophical differences.

9 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Why do you hate Wentz so much?

I don't hate Wentz. I was just saying if Press Taylor is going to the Colts and they do need a QB then that's another reason for Wentz to go there. 

17 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Works in the mid rounds

Slater is a tough eval i think he will be a star at guard but is he an NFL tackle? Not sure

Sure but he’ll go too early for a G

I got your C right heah but don’t read too much into it please. Probably could get with a 3 unless other teams as desperate as us

 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don't hate Wentz. I was just saying if Press Taylor is going to the Colts and they do need a QB then that's another reason for Wentz to go there. 

If they do trade wentz, they shouldn't trade him where he wants. Let him go to Houston if he really does want out.

That said, I don't think he wants to be traded.

15 hours ago, jwill2420 said:

 

Yeah see this is what I was telling you. QB is probably the best position in this draft. Which is kinda scary with a guy like Howie running the show. 
 

He may just flip this draft on it’s head and go QB at 6. I’m not a fan of this move but with Howie I’m keeping my eyes wide open this time. 

He won’t unless Wentz is giving them ultimatums, OL is just what the Doctor ordered IMO 2-3 guys going to be replaced in the next 2 years

15 hours ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think they may go QB.  I don't know whether it's scary.  I'm not sold on any of the QBs on the roster.  I would create an immediate need to trade Wentz and I could see a situation where all 3 QBs are still on the roster at the start of training camp.  

Sounds like the Twilight Zone so no way. You got visions of 2017 and then cap hit on top of all the draft capital you invested

10 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

people criticized Dougs introductory press conference too. then he won a super bowl. 

idiots. 

I was about to say the same thing.  Clowns will be Clowns and Trolls will be Trolls. 

 

4 hours ago, devpool said:

If they do trade wentz, they shouldn't trade him where he wants. Let him go to Houston if he really does want out.

That said, I don't think he wants to be traded.

Houston has nothing left to trade.

7 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I don’t know what’s worse people being bothered by his PC or people feeling the need to defend him like he’s a helpless child 

It's not so much the attacks on him and feeling the need to defend him, it's this absolutely hypocritical, double standard world that the media lives in and pushes to all of us that bothers me the most.  

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

It's not so much the attacks on him and feeling the need to defend him, it's this absolutely hypocritical, double standard world that the media lives in and pushes to all of us that bothers me the most.  

They’re a business they push whatever gets them views. Views = money 

Pretty even-handed comments from Jenkins. 

 

18 hours ago, Nivraga said:

Yeah - I'm not buying that Howie making the call on who sits or dresses on Sundays - AND if its true then shame on Doug. If I was Doug the first time Howie showed me his "list" I would have asked him when the press conference was? What press conference? Oh the one where you tell the fans and media that you're deciding the actives for Sunday. There is no way I would let the GM dictate that to me and keep quiet. He would have to fire me. 

I don't agree with Howie interfering with Doug's coaching staff - HC needs to sink or swim with his own guys - but I do agree that sometimes the GM needs to tell the coach "No". When Doug wanted to roll with Mike Groh for a 3rd year Howie told him no and you crucify him for it - but when Doug wants a QB in round 2 and Howie says OK you crucify him for that too ... make up your mind. 

I feel you but Lurie should stay out of almost every decision. He should pick the GM and set up the structure with assigned powers, level of power and thus ACCOUNTABILITY. I guess this is a free country and he can do what he wants but if he chooses to be too flexible he should suffer more than the fans

19 hours ago, NCiggles said:

Doug didn't luck into it.  He was a solid coach who kept the locker room together.  He was an aggressive playcaller.  He hardly ever played it safe.  I think he also was a creature of habit.  When players and plays stopped helping the team, he still stuck with them because they helped the team in the past.  

Wentz and DP, inquiring minds ....

New DBs coach!

Jets' safeties have been excellent.
Jet's CBs...have not.

So this could go either way. 

9 hours ago, BigEFly said:

So Sirianni repeats things.  Watch what he repeats.  The message he wants to drive home.  I am not a teacher, look to @Iggles_Phan and @Desertbirds for that, but I was responsible for my focus area and division for helping develop training and often times delivering it.   We had a large, worldwide training department.  They would do the grunt work but we delivered the training.  One thing that the trainers stressed is that folks really need to be exposed to something seven times for it to stick.   One trick is the emphasis repeat.  That’s what I heard from Sirianni today.   Smart.  Simple to learn, difficult for the opposition.   That sort of thing.  

It's simple.  You go in knowing that you are going to have to repeat yourself, that's just human nature.  People never learn anything in a single repetition... ever.  So, you either go in with the plan to be repetitive (usually providing a slightly different way of approaching it, so that it doesn't become tiresome, but still has the same result of being repetitive), or you try the shortcut method and expect they can figure it out after one repetition, and then when they fail.  In frustration you repeat the same thing over and over, but this time it's not well received because its not well presented, and they have the taste of failure in their mouths and the 'this is impossible' or 'I have no idea what he wants' thoughts start to creep into the students' heads.   And that's death to an instructor.  That just makes everything 10x harder, because both the teacher and the students are now frustrated by each other.

 

16 minutes ago, RLC said:

New DBs coach!

Jets' safeties have been excellent.
Jet's CBs...have not.

So this could go either way. 

What he had to work with at corner in 2020. Hall actually developed decently last year from what I recall. 

Could have been worse  , he could have look like Adam Gase when he was introduced as Jets HC.

Old, but he was a holdover from previous Jets staff. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Old, but he was a holdover from previous Jets staff. 

Excellent point. Usually a good sign when a guy is retained from the previous staff.

2016 comparisons.
- Stoutland: Hit
- Peelle: Hit
- Duce: Hit
- Undlin: Miss
- Fipp: Both?

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

 

But he tripped over words in his first press conference as a head coach. Obviously the worst football mind in the world..

Vic Fangio was interested in Wilson.