Wilson apparently was under consideration to coach under Saleh. 

Let's just call it like it is instead of taking sides and arguing.

It would be better if the new HC didn't look like a nervous deer in headlights with his first PC.  The organization is in a bad place right now, is looking for some hope, and that wasn't the first look anyone wanted to see.  Just admit that.

Also, admit that great, inspirational press conferences never really correlated much with success.  AR and Belichick, basically the two Godfathers of the modern NFL, are as cringeworthy as it gets in PC's.  So let's cut the guy some slack until the games are played.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Pretty even-handed comments from Jenkins. 

Sure sounds like he felt this was a team fail but that Carson played a part in it.  Johnson will need to be firm with him.  

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Vic Fangio was interested in Wilson. 

Fangio prefers CBs who can play zone. The Colts were a heavy zone defense. The Jets' played a ton of man to man under Greg Williams because he blitzed so much, but they played more zone under Wilson pre/post Williams.

I'm guessing we're going to be a 60%-40% zone-man team. 

I dont think anyone helped their draft stock this week more than Mac Jones, top 20 pick .I was impressed with how well he threw the ball, and to new receivers. He showed me something. 

Just now, Original Sin said:

I dont think anyone helped their draft stock this week more than Mac Jones, top 20 pick .I was impressed with how well he threw the ball, and to new receivers. He showed me something. 

With the 37th pick in the 2021 NFL draft, the Eagles select....

Pats and saints showed most interest in him , and I can see him on either team.

12 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Let's just call it like it is instead of taking sides and arguing.

It would be better if the new HC didn't look like a nervous deer in headlights with his first PC.  The organization is in a bad place right now, is looking for some hope, and that wasn't the first look anyone wanted to see.  Just admit that.

Also, admit that great, inspirational press conferences never really correlated much with success.  AR and Belichick, basically the two Godfathers of the modern NFL, are as cringeworthy as it gets in PC's.  So let's cut the guy some slack until the games are played.

I don't think he was that bad. He was basically being asked to pick a starting QB at his introductory press conference, which is dumb but that is how the Philly media works. No matter what he said they are going to run with it and take it to the extreme. But he was also asked some questions about his coaching staff and I thought he was much more confident and straightforward with those answers. You could tell he was much more comfortable talking about the coaches he already knows than the players that he doesn't.

Historic Success Chart

The numbers show us the following outline for finding consistent starters:

1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)

2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)

3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%)

4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%)

5th Round - TE (32%) DB (17%) WR (16%) OL (16%) DL (13%) RB (9%) LB (4%) QB (0%)

6th Round - TE (26%) OL (16%) DL (13%) WR (9%) DB (8%) RB (6%) LB (5%) QB (0%)

7th Round - DB (11%) OL (9%) QB (6%) WR (5%) DL (3%) LB (2%) RB (0%) TE (0%)

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Excellent point. Usually a good sign when a guy is retained from the previous staff.

2016 comparisons.
- Stoutland: Hit
- Peelle: Hit
- Duce: Hit
- Undlin: Miss
- Fipp: Both?

calling Duce a hit is questionable in my mind, here is why i say that.

yes his rbs seemed mostly prepared and decent at thier jobs, thats where my praise stops.

according to reports he was responsible for the rb rotation, which often seemed disjointed and not dine with accordence to what was happening on the field.

And as the RB coach once Frank left, we lost that person in Dougs ear telling him to run the ball more consistently, when Doug started getting pass happy. This past season the team needed that more than ever with the oline in shamvles and a bunch of inexperuenced wrs playing. This was the time to lean on the run game. This should have been his #1 job once Frank left, and either he didnt do it or Doug just didnt listen to him. Either way, he was complicit. He certainly didnt help Doug put together good game plans this year 

 

I think you need different coaches for different periods of a team's evolution, only a few can manage all aspects, we're going to see in NE if Belichick can handle a rebuild.

AR did a great job with a rebuild, and a run at a championship, but he flatlined in Philly, took what he learned here and ratched it up a notch in KC.

Pederson did a great job with a veteran team after a divisive HC split the lockerroom, showed he could motivate and lead. Problem is he's neither a strategic coach or teaching coach. He's the guy you bring in for a talented veteran team that's having trouble getting over the hump.

I think that became obvious to Lowie, and when Pederson had no plan to rebuild (given his staff decisions, I think he offered more of the same for 2021), it was time to move on.

Sirianni seems to be perfect for a rebuild, he's got a staff of guys with a track record of getting players to up their game, both scrubs and talented starters (Keenan Allen, for example). That's what the Eagles need the next two seasons.

Come 2023, maybe 2024 we'll find out if he can win once he's built a team, that's a different proposition, you can win with rebuilding teams by motivating them into upsets, with good teams you have to manage a whole season, win the games you should, game plan against top teams down the stretch and in the playoffs and win most of those games as well. 

Reason I have confidence in Howie is he's a smart guy who learns from his mistakes, I don't think you'll see him try to keep a team together again, I don't think you'll see him try and buy a "dream team" again - he's a lot more confidence in the value of "penny pinching" now that alternative approaches haven't worked (and I think Lurie is probably the one who doesn't like to squeeze players, but Howie is willing to play "bad cop").

As far as the draft, I think Lurie knows what the personnel staff recommended, and why they were overridden. If the scouts were doing a bad job, there would have been a purge. If Howie was the motivator behind bad decisions, he would have been "pushed upstairs." So it tells me they deferred to the coaches as part of a "win now" strategy, because only the coaches are gone.

The next couple drafts will be BPA for the new schemes, that is, if they value "long" CBs, then that's one factor that goes into BPA. But they won't be patching holes for 2021, they'll be building a roster for 2023. Winning will be the byproduct of player development. And that will make it easier to draft, b/c you won't have coaches lobbying to draft for need. Plus, b/c Sirianni and his assistants are "teachers," they're more likely to go for upside b/c they believe they can help a player reach their upside instead of drafting for high floors.

7 hours ago, The guy in France said:

Sure but he’ll go too early for a G

I got your C right heah but don’t read too much into it please. Probably could get with a 3 unless other teams as desperate as us

 

Third round feels like the value spot to get a center or guard. Its a good class

14 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Historic Success Chart

The numbers show us the following outline for finding consistent starters:

1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)

2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)

3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%)

4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%)

5th Round - TE (32%) DB (17%) WR (16%) OL (16%) DL (13%) RB (9%) LB (4%) QB (0%)

6th Round - TE (26%) OL (16%) DL (13%) WR (9%) DB (8%) RB (6%) LB (5%) QB (0%)

7th Round - DB (11%) OL (9%) QB (6%) WR (5%) DL (3%) LB (2%) RB (0%) TE (0%)

I don't like "rounds", when I analyzed it a few years ago it's more like tranches.

1-20 (really 1-10, 11-20)

21-40, odds start to flatten in this group

41-75, 76-100, 100-150 and after that it's pretty flat out to the top 100 UDFAs (the ones that get significant bonuses to sign).

It does vary by position, but even that's misleading, pass rushing one gap DTs bifurcate, where run stopping DTs tend to go in the middle rounds.

So it helps a lot to pick high, not just the 1st rd pick but the first four (unfortunately only 3 this year) are in the top 100.

When you get past 100, it's less about finding starters than building solid depth, 3rd and 4th WRs, nickel CBs, pass down LBs, etc.

When you get past 150, you're primarily looking for ST guys with upside.

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I think you need different coaches for different periods of a team's evolution, only a few can manage all aspects, we're going to see in NE if Belichick can handle a rebuild.

AR did a great job with a rebuild, and a run at a championship, but he flatlined in Philly, took what he learned here and ratched it up a notch in KC.

Pederson did a great job with a veteran team after a divisive HC split the lockerroom, showed he could motivate and lead. Problem is he's neither a strategic coach or teaching coach. He's the guy you bring in for a talented veteran team that's having trouble getting over the hump.

I think that became obvious to Lowie, and when Pederson had no plan to rebuild (given his staff decisions, I think he offered more of the same for 2021), it was time to move on.

Sirianni seems to be perfect for a rebuild, he's got a staff of guys with a track record of getting players to up their game, both scrubs and talented starters (Keenan Allen, for example). That's what the Eagles need the next two seasons.

Come 2023, maybe 2024 we'll find out if he can win once he's built a team, that's a different proposition, you can win with rebuilding teams by motivating them into upsets, with good teams you have to manage a whole season, win the games you should, game plan against top teams down the stretch and in the playoffs and win most of those games as well. 

Reason I have confidence in Howie is he's a smart guy who learns from his mistakes, I don't think you'll see him try to keep a team together again, I don't think you'll see him try and buy a "dream team" again - he's a lot more confidence in the value of "penny pinching" now that alternative approaches haven't worked (and I think Lurie is probably the one who doesn't like to squeeze players, but Howie is willing to play "bad cop").

As far as the draft, I think Lurie knows what the personnel staff recommended, and why they were overridden. If the scouts were doing a bad job, there would have been a purge. If Howie was the motivator behind bad decisions, he would have been "pushed upstairs." So it tells me they deferred to the coaches as part of a "win now" strategy, because only the coaches are gone.

The next couple drafts will be BPA for the new schemes, that is, if they value "long" CBs, then that's one factor that goes into BPA. But they won't be patching holes for 2021, they'll be building a roster for 2023. Winning will be the byproduct of player development. And that will make it easier to draft, b/c you won't have coaches lobbying to draft for need. Plus, b/c Sirianni and his assistants are "teachers," they're more likely to go for upside b/c they believe they can help a player reach their upside instead of drafting for high floors.

I hope he learns from it, but he said in the past that he gets too attached to players and then kept bringing them back or extending them. 

37 minutes ago, RLC said:

Fangio prefers CBs who can play zone. The Colts were a heavy zone defense. The Jets' played a ton of man to man under Greg Williams because he blitzed so much, but they played more zone under Wilson pre/post Williams.

I'm guessing we're going to be a 60%-40% zone-man team. 

In the Nickel, Slay should stay in man coverage while the other 4 DB’s could technically stay in zone, but with a standard 4 DB defense, it harder to keep him playing man if the other 3 are in zone.   Everyone remember Nnamdi Asomugha?  Eagles signed him and immediately had him playing zone, nullifying the talent he brought to the CB position.
 

 He did marry Kerry Washington, so there’s that. 

This draft will come down to teams with best scouting departments,  no combine is huge,  some quality players will be steals

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I hope he learns from it, but he said in the past that he gets too attached to players and then kept bringing them back or extending them. 

This has been a problem for a lot of SB winning teams, it's hard to let go of the guys who got you a ring. And it's not just the NFL.

Again, that's a learning curve, understanding the balance between "it's a business" and one thing that helps teams win is solidarity, and that's often built around treating players decently (though a few teams have found it through red hot hate of their HC).

I think the Eagles held Duce back out of two way loyalty, they should have pushed him out years ago.

2 hours ago, The guy in France said:

I feel you but Lurie should stay out of almost every decision. He should pick the GM and set up the structure with assigned powers, level of power and thus ACCOUNTABILITY. I guess this is a free country and he can do what he wants but if he chooses to be too flexible he should suffer more than the fans

Lurie is the CEO, and Don is the President.  Of course they should be involved in major decisions.  I believe accountability is les pronounced with the players.  They are limited in what they can do by the CBA.   Still there have to be accountability, goals, and feedback.   Imagine a Carson Wentz performance review after 2020, if you will. But also view a CEO realizing his $130 million football dispersal system is displaying diminishing returns and increased costs.  Wouldn’t a responsible CEO step down onto the factory floor for a clearer view to help him with his as corporate lead working with his staff to devise a plan to fix the issue, while examining the cost of each possible solution?  If one of the responses was that the bottom half stability of the dispersal system was off kilter, wouldn’t you ask the plan to address that and if it was fixable.  If the person responsible for maintenance of that issue continued to under perform, might you consider whether that person was the right one for the job?  Well, our football dispersal system is off kilter so the CEO just canned the manager and line supervisor in an effort to fix the system and had his Senior VP allocate resources towards a viable backup system with consideration of using that back up system, if the performance can be improved, as a possible replacement of the current football dispersal system, should it show to be unfixable. 

46 minutes ago, RLC said:

Fangio prefers CBs who can play zone. The Colts were a heavy zone defense. The Jets' played a ton of man to man under Greg Williams because he blitzed so much, but they played more zone under Wilson pre/post Williams.

I'm guessing we're going to be a 60%-40% zone-man team. 

Then Manuel is the man for them.  He loves zone.

35 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Historic Success Chart

The numbers show us the following outline for finding consistent starters:

1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)

2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)

3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%)

4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%)

5th Round - TE (32%) DB (17%) WR (16%) OL (16%) DL (13%) RB (9%) LB (4%) QB (0%)

6th Round - TE (26%) OL (16%) DL (13%) WR (9%) DB (8%) RB (6%) LB (5%) QB (0%)

7th Round - DB (11%) OL (9%) QB (6%) WR (5%) DL (3%) LB (2%) RB (0%) TE (0%)

Howie needs to see these and factor into his drafting decisions. 

Good draft if in need of OL help.

27 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

calling Duce a hit is questionable in my mind, here is why i say that.

yes his rbs seemed mostly prepared and decent at thier jobs, thats where my praise stops.

• Miles Sanders greatly improved as a rookie. He was running into linemen/fumbling to start the year and finished strong
• Corey Clement went from UDFA to pass-catching back in the playoffs. We don't win the SB without him
• Ajayi was able to integrate into offense at the trade deadline
• Turned Josh Adams into a functional rusher
• LeSean McCoy's best years were with Duce

I had lots of complaints about our coaching, but RBs weren't one of them

10 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I don’t know what’s worse people being bothered by his PC or people feeling the need to defend him like he’s a helpless child 

It is interesting seeing it. Also that I've seen a bunch call anyone who criticizes the PC an idiot or some other insult

8 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don't hate Wentz. I was just saying if Press Taylor is going to the Colts and they do need a QB then that's another reason for Wentz to go there. 

But you're constantly bashing Wentz. Constantly. So why do you dislike him so much then? I'm trying to understand it

2 hours ago, RLC said:

New DBs coach!

Jets' safeties have been excellent.
Jet's CBs...have not.

So this could go either way. 

Our DBs have sucked for years so 🤷‍♂️

32 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I think you need different coaches for different periods of a team's evolution, only a few can manage all aspects, we're going to see in NE if Belichick can handle a rebuild.

I definitely agree with this. 

11 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Howie needs to see these and factor into his drafting decisions. 

The problem with that chart is what is a consistent starter? Are they any good? How many are starting because of pedigree and investment?