1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Nor are a lot of people bud... Because Wentz stunk.

this started prior to last year even when he was playing well down the stretch in 2019. This isn’t a just this year thing. He had things he said about him then even when he had that ridiculous throw against Washington to sanders 

6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I don't know why I bother with the people that hate Wentz. They're irrational as hell

It’s ok they will eventually become hurts haters unless hurts plays like mahomes consistently or as good as wentz did in 2017 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

this started prior to last year even when he was playing well down the stretch in 2019. This isn’t a just this year thing. He had things he said about him then even when he had that ridiculous throw against Washington to sanders 

In 2020 he stunk. In 2019 at times he stunk. In 2018 he was average. 

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

In 2020 he stunk. In 2019 at times he stunk. In 2018 he was average. 

In 2019 the team stunk, and Wentz carried it into the playoffs on his back.

Just now, Alphagrand said:

In 2019 the team stunk, and Wentz carried it into the playoffs on his back.

Against 3 bad bad teams yes. 

I tried 🤷‍♂️

They're stubborn as hell

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

           

It’s a nice story. You should read if interested. 

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

I tried 🤷‍♂️

They're stubborn as hell

The national media has an agenda to see a change in QB because it sells; no one is really interested if you tell them Wentz returns as starter and Hurts returns to backup — but that has always been the organization’s direction.  
 

I listened to Alex Marvez and Max Starks on NFL Radio last night.  Both are of the opinion that Wentz is beyond repair and Jalen Hurts balled out in his 4 games, and has become the clear future of the franchise if not for the money aspect.  In actual fact, Hurts beat NO because they didn’t prepare for him, Hurts put up a strong 1st half against an ARI team in free fall, then Hurts played badly by any measure in his last two games — but if you tried to tell them that they wouldn’t have time for it, because it isn’t interesting.

It would be Texans-level malpractice for the organization to eat $59M in dead money just to plan a future with a QB likely to be a career backup 

15 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Against 3 bad bad teams yes. 

so context is important? want more context- Wentz did that with no real wrs. ward, rob davis anyone?

 

here is more context, this year wentz's bad year, was on a really bad team, where the oline was starting backups to the back ups, with 14 different starting combos in 16 games. His wrs and receiving options were even worse than the end of 2019.   Meanwhile his coach kept calling a pass heavy vertical downfield games to the tune of 55 passes and 9 runs in one of wentz last games. 

we know when the oline is decent and he has decent wrs and the coach is calling a more balanced game, wentz has played far better, even MVP esque.

 

since you like context, i thought we should look at all of it and not just cherry pick context

26 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

In 2020 he stunk. In 2019 at times he stunk. In 2018 he was average. 

I think In 2018 you also asked him to come back way too soon or he wanted too way before he should’ve been allowed. An ACL and the severity he had there was no way he should’ve been playing 9 months after that injury. I’m in the PT field that was rushing him back so he could play week 3. When i read it was more than just an ACL i thought he should’ve been put on PUP and not played until he was fully recovered. That injury occurred late in the season in December and he had the surgery December 13. I also think the cheap shot he got in the giants game on the Thursday didn’t help matters. The next week he was on the injury report and people didn’t think much of it but that was a nasty shot he took. 

2019 he was up and down. Frankly his last 5 weeks besides the Dallas game he played at a top 10 QB level. Prior to that he was up and down. 

this year he stunk from start to finish. However pederson did a bad job with scheming to his players strength much like the last 2 years until December and even this December it wasn’t very good in second halves of games. And the oline issues on top of it all. It was a complete crap show starting at the top with a bad offseason plan, bad wentz, bad doug and bad roster. 

29 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I don't know why I bother with the people that hate Wentz. They're irrational as hell

 

17 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

In 2020 he stunk. In 2019 at times he stunk. In 2018 he was average. 

 

14 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

In 2019 the team stunk, and Wentz carried it into the playoffs on his back.

I wouldn’t call it irrational if people don’t interpret the same set of facts the same way you do. Further, I think how many of us interpret the 2018 and 2019 season has actually changed because of his 2020 performance, while other folks like to keep each year compartmentalized.

I think most of us agreed on Carson’s play in 2018 - started off well but then we started to see some really uneven games and ended with a poor performance in NOLA. We blamed it on his back injury and having Nick around. In 2019, we probably all agreed that he struggled because he lost his offensive weapons and then pulled a rabbit out of a hat to get the team in the playoffs (but I will note that there were some on here already raising an alarm at his play but I, like most, ignored them). Then we had the abomination of a season that we just witnessed.

I don’t see why it’s so irrational to conclude that there is a pattern of regression here. Especially if you allow yourself to consider that those excuses for his performances in 2018 and 2019 were not the primary reasons for his poorer play.

 

3 minutes ago, Thrive said:

 

 

I wouldn’t call it irrational if people don’t interpret the same set of facts the same way you do. Further, I think how many of us interpret the 2018 and 2019 season has actually changed because of his 2020 performance, while other folks like to keep each year compartmentalized.

I think most of us agreed on Carson’s play in 2018 - started off well but then we started to see some really uneven games and ended with a poor performance in NOLA. We blamed it on his back injury and having Nick around. In 2019, we probably all agreed that he struggled because he lost his offensive weapons and then pulled a rabbit out of a hat to get the team in the playoffs (but I will note that there were some on here already raising an alarm at his play but I, like most, ignored them). Then we had the abomination of a season that we just witnessed.

I don’t see why it’s so irrational to conclude that there is a pattern of regression here. Especially if you allow yourself to consider that those excuses for his performances in 2018 and 2019 were not the primary reasons for his poorer play.

 

There’s also a pattern of regression at literally every position besides possibly RB, DL (i would actually argue the DL hasn’t gotten vastly better with the amount of money spent there) and slay (not saying corner because every other position at corner has been bad). That doesn’t just include players. I’d argue coaches and front office offseason plans 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

There’s also a pattern of regression at literally every position besides possibly RB. That doesn’t just include players. I’d argue coaches and front office offseason plans 

There clearly has. And most of those players and coaches are/will be gone. See the point?

But again, don’t care to change folks mind on this - I just don’t see why it’s irrational.

4 minutes ago, Thrive said:

 

 

I wouldn’t call it irrational if people don’t interpret the same set of facts the same way you do. Further, I think how many of us interpret the 2018 and 2019 season has actually changed because of his 2020 performance, while other folks like to keep each year compartmentalized.

I think most of us agreed on Carson’s play in 2018 - started off well but then we started to see some really uneven games and ended with a poor performance in NOLA. We blamed it on his back injury and having Nick around. In 2019, we probably all agreed that he struggled because he lost his offensive weapons and then pulled a rabbit out of a hat to get the team in the playoffs (but I will note that there were some on here already raising an alarm at his play but I, like most, ignored them). Then we had the abomination of a season that we just witnessed.

I don’t see why it’s so irrational to conclude that there is a pattern of regression here. Especially if you allow yourself to consider that those excuses for his performances in 2018 and 2019 were not the primary reasons for his poorer play.

 

I'm just going to try to not engage in it because I disagree

2 minutes ago, Thrive said:

 

 

I wouldn’t call it irrational if people don’t interpret the same set of facts the same way you do. Further, I think how many of us interpret the 2018 and 2019 season has actually changed because of his 2020 performance, while other folks like to keep each year compartmentalized.

I think most of us agreed on Carson’s play in 2018 - started off well but then we started to see some really uneven games and ended with a poor performance in NOLA. We blamed it on his back injury and having Nick around. In 2019, we probably all agreed that he struggled because he lost his offensive weapons and then pulled a rabbit out of a hat to get the team in the playoffs (but I will note that there were some on here already raising an alarm at his play but I, like most, ignored them). Then we had the abomination of a season that we just witnessed.

I don’t see why it’s so irrational to conclude that there is a pattern of regression here. Especially if you allow yourself to consider that those excuses for his performances in 2018 and 2019 were not the primary reasons for his poorer play.

 

I’d say Wentz is having issues processing what he sees and getting the ball out on script, on schedule.  In contrast to QBs like Mahomes and Rodgers, the longer Wentz holds the ball the worse the results usually become.  Sirianni and Steichen will be tasked with enforcing to Wentz that he runs the plays as called.  Wentz still has the physical tools to be a top 8-10 QB.

Hurts, on the other hand, lacks the requisite arm talent to win other than as a dual-threat QB.  There are very few dual-threat QBs who succeed for an extended period in the NFL.  Those who do have had superior arm talent.

13 minutes ago, Thrive said:

There clearly has. And most of those players and coaches are/will be gone. See the point?

But again, don’t care to change folks mind on this - I just don’t see why it’s irrational.

Who’s going to be gone player wise? Cox, Graham, lane, Brooks, kelce (if he doesn’t retire), seumalo, goedert, mcleod, sanders (2 years) are all going to be back and they were apart of those teams. Alshon and desean are gone who really did not much the last two years and jackson really only played one year here with his injury. Ertz is gone cause of a poor season and also poor cap management. The coaches are gone and rightfully so for regression each year and it’s obvious in the all 22. For Doug’s great scheming against Dallas (really wasn’t more Dallas defense is so bad routinely bad coaches had success against them) there’s dreck from 2018, 2019 and 2020 for long periods of time with poor execution and poor scheming and game planning. How many times have we discussed not playing to your personnel or knowing your personnel? I know I’ve consistently brought this up in 2016, 2018, 2019 and 2020. So 4 years I’ve pointed this out. Only 2017 did the eagles not have this issue when really they did the first two weeks until they adjusted. 

im not talking the irrational part. I’m stating in general the entire organization has massively regressed from front office to coaching to wentz to roster in general. So much i said before last year this was likely going to be a take a step back year and a 7-8 win team. But people fooled themselves into the last 4 weeks of the 2019 season.  I could make the case what players from 2018 to 2020 have actually massively improved and not regressed? it’s a really small amount of players. Possibly goedert, sanders (I’d argue his pass blocking and receiving got worse from 2019 to 2020), mailata, sweat, Alex singleton and seumalo. I guess herbig did as he was serviceable this year from inactive.  
 

The agendas that Philly sports media people have is disturbing.  I was listening to WIP on the drive home from work tonight (there was nothing else on at that moment, unless I wanted to listed to 5 minutes of commercials) and John Johnson was on, who IMO is just kinda there like wallpaper.  He was talking about Sirianni's PC and how he doesn't have confidence in Sirianni being a good HC because he bombed his presser.  Then he was going on about Wentz saying how he needs to address 'it' (though never said what 'it' was, so I'm guessing when I had turned in I had already missed something that was talked about moments before) and how Wentz only posts stuff on his social media like  how many animals he killed hunting.  Oh, and he also said that he used to be support of Wentz but that "I now hate the guy".  Why?  What the F did Wentz do to YOU that you actually hate him?  I can only assume/guess that he's pissed at Wentz because Wentz has not talked about the QB controversy.  Oh, what a shame, John, that Wentz isn't giving you fodder for your media cannon.  I guess you're just pissed because he's making your job harder.  Poor you. 

Only thing that matters is if Wentz is determined to work hard with his new HC and OC staff and get back on track.  I don't need for him to talk about his feelings.  I need him to work his ass off and be much closer to the 2017 Wentz than the 2020 one.  That's it.  I would like to see if Sirianni and his O staff scrap the RPOs which Wentz is not good at and get back to the type of O Reich helped install that had him playing like an elite QB and how Wentz responds to that should they do just that. 

 

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

 

I feel like the niners make the most sense with the ability to get out of Jimmy G’s contract with minimal dead money and really if everyone comes back healthy are a good QB away from being a legit contender. 

18 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

The agendas that Philly sports media people have is disturbing.  I was listening to WIP on the drive home from work tonight (there was nothing else on at that moment, unless I wanted to listed to 5 minutes of commercials) and John Johnson was on, who IMO is just kinda there like wallpaper.  He was talking about Sirianni's PC and how he doesn't have confidence in Sirianni being a good HC because he bombed his presser.  Then he was going on about Wentz saying how he needs to address 'it' (though never said what 'it' was, so I'm guessing when I had turned in I had already missed something that was talked about moments before) and how Wentz only posts stuff on his social media like  how many animals he killed hunting.  Oh, and he also said that he used to be support of Wentz but that "I now hate the guy".  Why?  What the F did Wentz do to YOU that you actually hate him?  I can only assume/guess that he's pissed at Wentz because Wentz has not talked about the QB controversy.  Oh, what a shame, John, that Wentz isn't giving you fodder for your media cannon.  I guess you're just pissed because he's making your job harder.  Poor you. 

Only thing that matters is if Wentz is determined to work hard with his new HC and OC staff and get back on track.  I don't need for him to talk about his feelings.  I need him to work his ass off and be much closer to the 2017 Wentz than the 2020 one.  That's it.  I would like to see if Sirianni and his O staff scrap the RPOs which Wentz is not good at and get back to the type of O Reich helped install that had him playing like an elite QB and how Wentz responds to that should they do just that. 

 

Ive said this before but the eagles have to actually look at the situation without having feelings tied to it or care about the money and just be honest with themselves if they believe they can get wentz playing like 2017 and late 2019 wentz. If you truly believe you can then move forward with him. But do not talk yourself into it if you don’t believe it just because you owe him a lot of money. Don’t just talk yourself into it cause you love Carson the person and invest 5 years but don’t think you can fix/salvage him at this point. That would be a massive mistake. If Carson wants out then so be it cause if you keep him and he doesn’t you are likely not going to get him back onto the right track as he’s going to be unhappy  

that said everyone on this board and the Eagles better be right in whatever decision they make. if they keep him and he’s not able to be corrected then it’s something the organization will continue to be haunted by due to his cap number/dead money in 2022. If they trade Carson and he goes somewhere else and comes back to the player he once was, you know as well as I do, everyone on this board is going to cry and complain (even if they didn’t like him) about why they traded him and did so too soon as they didn’t see what could happen with new coaching.   

again I’m not against trading Carson Wentz. I also don’t believe Hurts is going to be the long term answer if that’s the case either. I think he can be a solid starter i don’t see him getting you to where you want to ultimately get. However I do know everyone on this board is going to lose their mind if Wentz is dealt elsewhere and starts plays well

 

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think that Fran Duffy is fairly universally respected.

He drinks the green colored sugar and water stuff sometimes but then look at who employs him.   Good film breakdowns.  I like a fair amount of Sheil’s and Zach’s stuff. Especially when they drill down into football plays and schemes. 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Insert "Kellen Mond to Eagles at #6” joke.

 

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Maybe with our fourth round pick

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, I know we don’t have a fourth round pick.

7 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

He drinks the green colored sugar and water stuff sometimes but then look at who employs him.   Good film breakdowns.  I like a fair amount of Sheil’s and Zach’s stuff. Especially when they drill down into football plays and schemes. 

Of course... But, what he does, he does well.

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Yes, I know we don’t have a fourth round pick.

Thanks Howie.

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Ive said this before but the eagles have to actually look at the situation without having feelings tied to it or care about the money and just be honest with themselves if they believe they can get wentz playing like 2017 and late 2019 wentz. If you truly believe you can then move forward with him. But do not talk yourself into it if you don’t believe it just because you owe him a lot of money. Don’t just talk yourself into it cause you love Carson the person and invest 5 years but don’t think you can fix/salvage him at this point. That would be a massive mistake. If Carson wants out then so be it cause if you keep him and he doesn’t you are likely not going to get him back onto the right track as he’s going to be unhappy  

that said everyone on this board and the Eagles better be right in whatever decision they make. if they keep him and he’s not able to be corrected then it’s something the organization will continue to be haunted by due to his cap number/dead money in 2022. If they trade Carson and he goes somewhere else and comes back to the player he once was, you know as well as I do, everyone on this board is going to cry and complain (even if they didn’t like him) about why they traded him and did so too soon as they didn’t see what could happen with new coaching.   

again I’m not against trading Carson Wentz. I also don’t believe Hurts is going to be the long term answer if that’s the case either. I think he can be a solid starter i don’t see him getting you to where you want to ultimately get. However I do know everyone on this board is going to lose their mind if Wentz is dealt elsewhere and starts plays well

 

I would think most on here would be fine bringing Wentz back and watch him lose to Hurts in training camp (😎). That is, if we choose to not place any relevance to the various reports about his behavior behind closed doors. That would solve the concern of giving up on him too soon.

The issue is that Wentz himself apparently wants out (or, presumably, be named the starter). I certainly will never ascribe to the thought that Wentz deserves to go into the offseason as the unquestioned starter especially when a good argument can be made that he was outplayed by a 2nd round rookie. But the rest of the discussion about whether Wentz should remain in Philly or not is coming from Wentz, not the fanbase.