23 minutes ago, Thrive said:

I would think most on here would be fine bringing Wentz back and watch him lose to Hurts in training camp (😎). That is, if we choose to not place any relevance to the various reports about his behavior behind closed doors. That would solve the concern of giving up on him too soon.

The issue is that Wentz himself apparently wants out (or, presumably, be named the starter). I certainly will never ascribe to the thought that Wentz deserves to go into the offseason as the unquestioned starter especially when a good argument can be made that he was outplayed by a 2nd round rookie. But the rest of the discussion about whether Wentz should remain in Philly or not is coming from Wentz, not the fanbase.

First it’s not coming from wentz it’s coming from the media making a story because he hasn’t talked about anything publicly. You guys keep making it as wentz is saying thus or doing this. He hasn’t done anything. He hasn’t talked about it. He has a tweeted about it. He hasn’t said anything. There’s "leaks” that have been put out there that we have no clue who said them but we have people assuming they know where they came from. That is a bad assumption to make because  no one actually has the source behind it.I can make a bunch of assumptions A lot of the stuff that’s coming out is from people who know they aren’t going to be back with the Eagles and feel as though they have an ax to grind because they felt they got done dirty or don’t think they were responsible so they put out their perspective on it and shift any blame. All we’ve heard is that Wentz may or may not want to be here anymore With "sources "saying it. I’ll say this when reporters cannot get a definitive quote out of Carson or Carson‘s camp to attributed to they tend to run with stories and jump to conclusions  

Second I can’t exactly say Jalen Hurts outplayed him when Jalen hurts his QBR is a whole 8 points less. His td to int ratio was 6-4. He also had the same fumbling problem wentz had. Granted he’s a rookie and wentz isn’t a rookie. Did the offense have some juice when he was out there? Yes. The first half of every single one of the games he played he looked good/solid and then when teams made adjustments in the second half of games he did not look good. To the point in the three starts before Washington they scored 4.3 points in the second half of games. With more of a drop off in performance and accuracy and turnovers. That matters. We don’t play 2 quarters of football. We play four. If you play good for 2 and poorly or below average for 2 that’s not good. Tells me when teams made adjustments to him he wasn’t good enough at this point in time to adapt nor was the coaching. Which has been a problem and something I have talked about that their coaching does a **** job at adjustments whether it was Carson or hurts

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

First it’s not coming from wentz it’s coming from the media making a story because he hasn’t talked about anything publicly. You guys keep making it as wentz is saying thus or doing this. He hasn’t done anything. He hasn’t talked about it. He has a tweeted about it. He hasn’t said anything. There’s "leaks” that have been put out there that we have no clue who said them but we have people assuming they know where they came from. That is a bad assumption to make because  no one actually has the source behind it.I can make a bunch of assumptions A lot of the stuff that’s coming out is from people who know they aren’t going to be back with the Eagles and feel as though they have an ax to grind because they felt they got done dirty or don’t think they were responsible

Second I can’t exactly say Jalen Hurts outplayed him when Jalen hurts his QBR is a whole 8 points less. His td to int ratio was 6-4. He also had the same fumbling problem wentz had. Granted he’s a rookie and wentz isn’t a rookie. Did the offense have some juice when he was out there? Yes. The first half of every single one of the games he played he looked good/solid and then when teams made adjustments in the second half of games he did not look good. To the point in the three starts before Washington they scored 4.3 points in the second half of games. With more of a drop off in performance and accuracy and turnovers. That matters. We don’t play 2 quarters of football. We play four. If you play good for 2 and poorly or below average for 2 that’s not good. Tells me when teams made adjustments to him he wasn’t good enough at this point in time to adapt nor was the coaching. Which has been a problem and something I have talked about that their coaching does a **** job at adjustments whether it was Carson or hurts

At this point, I think it’s pretty clear that those reports came from Wentz. If we need to discuss the probability of those reports coming from Wentz, then we clearly will never reach any kind of middle ground on this discourse.

Further, I said a good argument could be made that Hurts outplayed Carson. That’s a fair statement.

6 minutes ago, Thrive said:

At this point, I think it’s pretty clear that those reports came from Wentz. If we need to discuss the probability of those reports coming from Wentz, then we clearly will never reach any kind of middle ground on this discourse.

Further, I said a good argument could be made that Hurts outplayed Carson. That’s a fair statement.

You’re gonna tell me you know definitively it came from Carson then I will call BS. It’s possible it came from him. The reporters don’t even have that if the reporters actually had that information from Carson or his camp directly then they would attribute it to Carson and his camp directly. Because that would be a huge scoop for them and a big time story with that attribution. And yet they haven’t. So you’re telling me definitively you know it came from Carson Wentz yet they won’t attribute it to Carson or his camp so that they can have a big-time break in the story. Yeah that doesn’t seem to make much sense if they knew the sources were Carson’s or his camp and didn’t release that. So the reporters are purposely not attributing it to him so they can hurt their potential big-time news-breaking story 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You’re gonna tell me you know definitively it came from Carson then I will call BS. It’s possible it came from him. The reporters don’t even have that if the reporters actually had that information from Carson or his camp directly then they would attribute it to Carson and his camp directly. Because that would be a huge scoop for them and a big time story with that attribution. And yet they haven’t. So you’re telling me definitively you know it came from Carson Wentz yet they won’t attribute it to Carson or his camp so that they can have a big-time break. Yeah that doesn’t seem to make much sense

Come on man.

34 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Come on man.

Come on what?  Honest question if you were reporter and you knew it was Carson Wentz or his camp giving you that information you attribute it to him/them right? Makes logical sense you would with how big of a story that would be. So you have that piece of information that everyone else in the world is trying to get right now which is you got the information directly from Carson or his camp. They are not going to sit on that piece of critical information when they can get all the credit in the world breaking that news. Yet they haven’t done that but they are withholding that key valuable piece of information from everyone that they could tell the world it came directly from wentz/camp? I find that difficult to believe 

no reporter in the world is going to withhold that type of information and not attribute it coming directly from his camp or Carson if they had that source saying it. if they had that ability to confirm it came from wentz directly or his camp they are running with that info because somebody else will get it and beat you to the story. We’ve seen in the past reporters attributing things to Carson’s camp. Reporters are not in the business of losing a story that big. If they had that ability to state it came from his camp or Carson they aren’t going to sit on that and it would be out in the open. to have that type of major scoop is something journalist try to obtain and acquire to break to elevate their careers. And yet you are telling me they have that piece of info and are willing to let someone else beat them to the punch and snake their story? Yeah i don’t buy that

furthermore I do believe it probably came from somebody who is thought to be close to Carson. That doesn’t mean it’s his camp or Carson. It could be somebody on the team who is good friends with him that gave them their thought and belief.  Then they cannot attribute it to Carson or his camp because they haven’t definitively got that answer from Carson or camp. They got it from somebody on the team who is or they believe to be close to Carson which again is NOT Carson or his camp

38 minutes ago, Thrive said:

At this point, I think it’s pretty clear that those reports came from Wentz. If we need to discuss the probability of those reports coming from Wentz, then we clearly will never reach any kind of middle ground on this discourse.

Further, I said a good argument could be made that Hurts outplayed Carson. That’s a fair statement.

1st point is completely subjective opinion, ill say this ill wait till he or the team tells us exactly where he is at.

2nd point is almost laughable, Hurts out ran wentz, and we were able to get away with for 1st half of games until defenses adjusted and shut his run options down. Thats what happens with a qb who has to rely on his legs.

 

Howie’s negotiations with Carson are the big unknown. It makes sense Howie would lean on Carson to lower his cap hits the next few years. Could it be that both sides are floating negative stories about each other during an antagonistic contract dispute?

38 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Come on what?  Honest question if you were reporter and you knew it was Carson Wentz or his camp giving you that information you attribute it to him/them right? Makes logical sense you would with how big of a story that would be. So you have that piece of information that everyone else in the world is trying to get right now which is you got the information directly from Carson or his camp. They are not going to sit on that piece of critical information when they can get all the credit in the world breaking that news. Yet you seem to think they are.

no reporter in the world is going to withhold that type of information and not attribute it coming directly from his camp or Carson if they had that because somebody else will get it and beat you to the story. We’ve seen in the past reporters attributing things to Carson’s camp. Reporters are not in the business of losing a story that big. If they had that ability to state it came from his camp or Carson they aren’t going to sit on that and it would be out in the open. to have that type of major scoop is something journalist try to obtain and acquire to break to elevate their careers. And yet you are telling me they have that piece of info and are willing to let someone else beat them to the punch and snake their story? Yeah i don’t buy that

Whoever the source is, he or she could have told Mortensen or whatever reporter that the information was on the condition of anonymity and cannot be attributed to whatever camp. And if said reporter went against that agreement, they just lost a great source from here on out, so they won’t divulge that info.  

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

It’s a crime Andre Waters isn’t on this.

32 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Whoever the source is, he or she could have told Mortensen or whatever reporter that the information was on the condition of anonymity and cannot be attributed to whatever camp. And if said reporter went against that agreement, they just lost a great source from here on out, so they won’t. 

That’s a fair point. However at this point then you still can’t definitively tell me it came from Carson Wentz or his camp. It’s an assumption until you can actually attribute it to him/them. Like I could say it came from somebody on the team who is close friends to Carson and that isn’t his camp or Carson but someone who believes he knows what Carson wants and doesn’t  

Then again this is the type of story where if Carson really wanted out that bad he/his camp would want it put out there and known to help facilitate getting him out of here. Hence what’s going on with Watson doing so to try and get himself out of a situation he doesn’t want to be. Easiest way to get yourself out of town is to make it public you don’t want to be there anymore and attribute it to either you or your camp saying such.

Also based off listening to Chris Mortensen speak on 975 that didn’t seem to be the case. Mortensen on 975 said it wasn’t his agent and he had multiple sources telling him that (January 4th). So it’s likely coming from not just one place or person or camp. And it definitely wasn’t Carson who told him it cause he claimed until Carson says otherwise i believe my sources. So we’ve at least eliminated it came from Carson directly in that situation. 

24 minutes ago, DelCo-lin said:

It’s a crime Andre Waters isn’t on this.

Amen 

Wowww

 

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

Wowww

Jared Goff going to revert back to 2016 Goff. 

Not sure if this helps the Eagles or not.

The Rams weren't a team we would've traded Wentz to, so that keeps teams like the Colts in the bidding if we were deciding to move him.

But the Lions were one of the teams that I thought might trade up for a QB(pushing WRs down) and now they might not having Goff. Although I guess they still could, given Goff isn't that good.

Just now, schuy7 said:

 

Wow i can’t believe the Rams gave up 2 firsts, Goff and a third. That’s ridiculous. The Rams better hope Stafford doesn’t get hurt again otherwise that could be epically disastrous. 

2 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

 

Holy F load, how do the Rams even have that after the Ramsey trade?

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Holy F load, how do the Rams even have that after the Ramsey trade?

They don't have a first this year, so it'll be 2022 1st and 2023 1st I guess. Crazy.

If the Niners get healthy, I bet they still win the NFC West. McVay is a fraud and the Niners are pretty loaded.

5 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

 

Holy Hannah that's a biggie 

Just now, schuy7 said:

They don't have a first this year, so it'll be 2022 1st and 2023 1st I guess. Crazy.

Wow, going 4 straight years without a 1st round pick is probably unheard of 

Did not see the Rams coming...

guess we know how they feel about goff

2 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

They don't have a first this year, so it'll be 2022 1st and 2023 1st I guess. Crazy.

That is such a risk knowing Stafford has had injury problems in the past and is going to be 33. I think with mcvay it allows mcvay to not be held back like with Goff. However i also don’t think Stafford at 33 is worth 2 1st, 3rd and Goff. That’s nuts. Might as well just tried to trade for watson and give them the moon. 

 

Two 1st rounders, a 3rd rounder and Goff? Geezus that's a lot for Stafford