2 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Maybe I'm looking at the wrong stuff, but the only way we save money on the cap is with a post June 1 designation trade, which obviously carries a hit over to 2022.

It’s like not even a million in savings if we trade him before his roster bonus gets paid. Still left with $34ish million in dead money 

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

That is way too much for Stafford IMO

Maybe it is, but the Rams are built to win now and they're not going to get over the hump with Goff.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

It’s like not even a million in savings if we trade him before his roster bonus gets paid. Still left with $34ish million in dead money 

Yeah, exactly. I wasn't counting $800k as savings.

Goff’s record is 42-27.  63% completion% 

107 tds and 55 ints for 18,100 yards 

129 sacks   91.2 passer rating

Wentz record is  35-31-1.  62.7 completion%

113 tds and 50 ints  for  16,800 yards  

179 sacks   89.2 passer rating.

Does this mean the Eagles are gonna have to give up picks just to move Wentz?    I can’t see Howie ever doing that. 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Joe Banner vs Brandt, two former finance guys squaring off on if Wentz and others will get dealt. Banner says it's possible. Brandt says not happening.

DJ also said he believes Wentz won't be traded 

Honestly, if QB are going for a high price Hurts should be the one moved. Use the pick to rebuild around Wentz.

Just now, greendestiny27 said:

DJ also said he believes Wentz won't be traded 

Yeah, he said on his podcast that his understanding is that the Eagles want to make it work. 

If we keep Wentz, we better hope beyond hope he gets back to playing good football, because if he has another bad year, no amount of draft picks is gonna unload that contract.

2 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

Goff’s record is 42-27.  63% completion% 

107 tds and 55 ints for 18,100 yards 

129 sacks   91.2 passer rating

Wentz record is  35-31-1.  62.7 completion%

113 tds and 50 ints  for  16,800 yards  

179 sacks   89.2 passer rating.

Does this mean the Eagles are gonna have to give up picks just to move Wentz?    I can’t see Howie ever doing that. 

 

 

If we're trading for a Stafford type player, then yeah probably.

Just now, greendestiny27 said:

DJ also said he believes Wentz won't be traded 

I think he's going to get dealt. Then again I also thought the Eagles would do something significant to address the WR position last offseason and I underestimated their idiocy. So maybe I'm just gullible, but I can't see anyway they go into next season with Wentz and Hurts again. No way, no how. It's an absolute powder keg. And to stricken your rookie head coach with that mess? Having to deal with a pouting Wentz if he doesn't win the job. Or having to deal with a pissed off locker room if Hurts wins the camp battle, but they give Wentz the job anyway because of his salary. This thing is gonna spiral quickly.

And it doesn't make any sense whatsoever to trade Hurts. Drafting him and then trading him for likely no more than a 2nd rounder(if that) a year later makes no sense to me whatsoever.

But again, I've underestimated their idiocy before. They just might be arrogant enough to think they can go into the season with this same dynamic again and it wind up totally fine. They are totally feeling themselves right now and the major decision makers don't have to worry about job security, so..

Rams just killed any remaining trade value Wentz might have had.

 

 

 

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

If we're trading for a Stafford type player, then yeah probably.

Does this mean Jeff Fisher is like "told ya he sucks”.  Sheesh, he isn’t Tim Couch and Stafford at 33 isn’t Joe Montana.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

I think he's going to get dealt. Then again I also thought the Eagles would do something significant to address the WR position last offseason and I underestimated their idiocy. So maybe I'm just gullible, but I can't see anyway they go into next season with Wentz and Hurts again. No way, no how. It's an absolute powder keg. And to stricken your rookie head coach with that mess? Having to deal with a pouting Wentz if he doesn't win the job. Or having to deal with a pissed off locker room if Hurts wins the camp battle, but they give Wentz the job anyway because of his salary. This thing is gonna spiral quickly.

And it doesn't make any sense whatsoever to trade Hurts. Drafting him and then trading him for likely no more than a 2nd rounder(if that) a year later makes no sense to me whatsoever.

But again, I've underestimated their idiocy before. They just might be arrogant enough to think they can go into the season with this same dynamic again and it wind up totally fine. They are totally feeling themselves right now and the major decision makers don't have to worry about job security, so..

Not to mention Hurts is very much liked in the lockeroom, if he gets traded it will only add fuel to the "Wentz is coddled" fire.

1 minute ago, D-Shiznit said:

Not to mention Hurts is very much liked in the lockeroom, if he gets traded it will only add fuel to the "Wentz is coddled" fire.

Yeah, if you break down all the potential scenarios to keeping Wentz, there's far more possible scenarios where this thing could backfire than it could they work out. And the scenario of it working out seems implausible if you believe Mike Garafolo who said it wasn't just Doug, Wentz isn't happy with the entire organization right now either.

Remember, for it to be worth keeping Wentz and his new contract, they need to get him back to his 2017 level. Not his 2019 level. And IMO it's super unlikely he ever gets back to the 2017 level again. He's not worth that mega contract if he plays like he did in 2019.

So if the best case scenario is get Wentz back to 2019 Wentz and the worst case scenario is this thing blows the locker room apart, you gotta trade him. The cost/benefit doesn't work in their favor.

That trade is an absolute coup for the Lions.

Stafford is 32...and while he still has plenty of juice in that arm...his window for competition has absolutely no overlap with the Lions.  So he was basically useless to them.  So for a nearly useless asset that wasn't going to be part of the rebuild, they get a pair of 1st round picks, a 3rd, and an accurate caretaker QB for the transition???  Are you kidding me?

Also...that sets a clear path for Wentz.  The best case for "salvaging him" is to get a comeback year out of him and to then flip him under his salvaged value.  As of right now, you'll get nothing for Wentz in a trade.  Goff as filler establishes that.

9 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Rams just killed any remaining trade value Wentz might have had.

 

 

 

Yep.  The learning point from this trade is that Wentz might actually have more trade value with a couple more years of age and a couple comeback years.

 

15 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think he's going to get dealt. Then again I also thought the Eagles would do something significant to address the WR position last offseason and I underestimated their idiocy. So maybe I'm just gullible, but I can't see anyway they go into next season with Wentz and Hurts again. No way, no how. It's an absolute powder keg. And to stricken your rookie head coach with that mess? Having to deal with a pouting Wentz if he doesn't win the job. Or having to deal with a pissed off locker room if Hurts wins the camp battle, but they give Wentz the job anyway because of his salary. This thing is gonna spiral quickly.

And it doesn't make any sense whatsoever to trade Hurts. Drafting him and then trading him for likely no more than a 2nd rounder(if that) a year later makes no sense to me whatsoever.

But again, I've underestimated their idiocy before. They just might be arrogant enough to think they can go into the season with this same dynamic again and it wind up totally fine. They are totally feeling themselves right now and the major decision makers don't have to worry about job security, so..

I see you are underestimating the eagles inability to not care about that and believe they can keep both and be fine. If i were a betting man i would bet both are on the team next year unless wentz forces his way out. I firmly believe if the eagles had it their way they’d have both back 

also I could see the Eagles making some sort of spin if they did wind up trading Hurts where they say well we got one year of good backup play out of him and our second round pick back. That’s how they spin it. I don’t think they trade hurts just how they’d play it. 

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Yeah, if you break down all the potential scenarios to keeping Wentz, there's far more possible scenarios where this thing could backfire than it could they work out. And the scenario of it working out seems implausible if you believe Mike Garafolo who said it wasn't just Doug, Wentz isn't happy with the entire organization right now either.

Remember, for it to be worth keeping Wentz and his new contract, they need to get him back to his 2017 level. Not his 2019 level. And IMO it's super unlikely he ever gets back to the 2017 level again. He's not worth that mega contract if he plays like he did in 2019.

So if the best case scenario is get Wentz back to 2019 Wentz and the worst case scenario is this thing blows the locker room apart, you gotta trade him. The cost/benefit doesn't work in their favor.

Between Wentz' question marks and the rebuilding state of the roster, I have minimal interest in his reclamation project.  A SB run with Wentz isn't happening.

The real question is if they get Wentz back to 2019 Wentz...what could they then trade him for?

If 2021 Wentz is more like 2020, we'd have to give up draft picks to get a team to take his contract at that point.  

14 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think he's going to get dealt. Then again I also thought the Eagles would do something significant to address the WR position last offseason and I underestimated their idiocy. So maybe I'm just gullible, but I can't see anyway they go into next season with Wentz and Hurts again. No way, no how. It's an absolute powder keg. And to stricken your rookie head coach with that mess? Having to deal with a pouting Wentz if he doesn't win the job. Or having to deal with a pissed off locker room if Hurts wins the camp battle, but they give Wentz the job anyway because of his salary. This thing is gonna spiral quickly.

And it doesn't make any sense whatsoever to trade Hurts. Drafting him and then trading him for likely no more than a 2nd rounder(if that) a year later makes no sense to me whatsoever.

But again, I've underestimated their idiocy before. They just might be arrogant enough to think they can go into the season with this same dynamic again and it wind up totally fine. They are totally feeling themselves right now and the major decision makers don't have to worry about job security, so..

You have an extremely inflated view of Hurts’ ability.  He has zero chance of winning a training camp competition against Wentz.  
 

If the Eagles are in the rebuild Lurie says they are, you roll with Wentz for two more years and, if he doesn’t improve, you only have $10M in dead money to part company.  Two more 4-win seasons and two more top 6 draft picks to rebuild with — not giving away draft capital to dump him and not eating 20% of your cap space.

The Rams are completely delusional on where their franchise is.  Giving up all of your high end draft picks never works in sports

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Between Wentz' question marks and the rebuilding state of the roster, I have minimal interest in his reclamation project.  A SB run with Wentz isn't happening.

The real question is if they get Wentz back to 2019 Wentz...what could they then trade him for?

If 2021 Wentz is more like 2020, we'd have to give up draft picks to get a team to take his contract at that point.  

Are we talking early season 2019 wentz or late 2019 season wentz? If it’s late season 2019 i don’t think they are going to deal him if he’s playing at that level. Even if he plays like early season 2019 wentz you likely aren’t getting what you think. 

if wentz bottoms out in 2021 again I’m guessing they take the sunk cost of 24 mil dead money and clear 6+ mil cap space (assuming he’s not traded). 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I see you are underestimating the eagles inability to not care about that and believe they can keep both and be fine. If i were a betting man i would bet both are on the team next year unless wentz forces his way out. I firmly believe if the eagles had it their way they’d have both back 

also I could see the Eagles making some sort of spin if they did wind up trading Hurts where they say well we got one year of good backup play out of him and our second round pick back. That’s how they spin it. I don’t think they trade hurts just how they’d play it. 

Maybe they have become that delusional and have just totally gone off the deep end, but to subject their brand new head coach to that mess in his first year coaching in the NFL seems like setting him up to fail, which would in turn make them look awful for hiring a head coach who they made it hard on to succeed. Nothing would surprise me with these clowns.

17 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think he's going to get dealt. Then again I also thought the Eagles would do something significant to address the WR position last offseason and I underestimated their idiocy. So maybe I'm just gullible, but I can't see anyway they go into next season with Wentz and Hurts again. No way, no how. It's an absolute powder keg.

They have backed themselves into an impossible situation of choosing between concessions that "can't happen."

They can't trade Wentz with that contract.

They can't trade Hurts for anything less than a high 2nd after their recent controversial pick.   And they'll never get that.

They also can't go into camp with Wentz and Hurts in a competition...or, maybe worse...in a predetermined pecking order, which might divide the team and create a circus.  It was a problem last year when there was no competition and Hurts was a rookie, now it's magnified x100.

 

So they will go with option #3, because that's the one that involves status quo and can be spun to the best of their ability with minimal egg to face.

I don’t think you can really compare this to trading Wentz. They had multiple offers and Rams wanted to unload Goff. That means they had to beat everyone out. 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

You have an extremely inflated view of Hurts’ ability.  He has zero chance of winning a training camp competition against Wentz.  
 

If the Eagles are in the rebuild Lurie says they are, you roll with Wentz for two more years and, if he doesn’t improve, you only have $10M in dead money to part company.  Two more 4-win seasons and two more top 6 draft picks to rebuild with — not giving away draft capital to dump him and not eating 20% of your cap space.

The Rams are completely delusional on where their franchise is.  Giving up all of your high end draft picks never works in sports

Zero? That's pretty extreme. It's definitely not zero. If Wentz doesn't want to be here, he could easily come into camp and look like guys often do when they're unhappy. Disinterested, sloppy, unfocused, etc. And Hurts, a competitor, could have worked his ass off all spring and come into camp looking good. I don't think that possibility can be discounted.

Wentz can win you a title if he gets back to previous form

hurts is so far away from being a good qb its pathetic. Terrible pick that they wont admit. Would love to trade him but bo one would give you anything

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

You have an extremely inflated view of Hurts’ ability.  He has zero chance of winning a training camp competition against Wentz.  
 

If the Eagles are in the rebuild Lurie says they are, you roll with Wentz for two more years and, if he doesn’t improve, you only have $10M in dead money to part company.  Two more 4-win seasons and two more top 6 draft picks to rebuild with — not giving away draft capital to dump him and not eating 20% of your cap space.

The Rams are completely delusional on where their franchise is.  Giving up all of your high end draft picks never works in sports

I don’t think that is true. I think they are likely a good QB away from being a legitimate SB contender. Ive felt this way the past couple years if they had a better QB than Goff then mcvay wouldn’t be held back. if they had a good QB in 2018 they likely win a super bowl. I feel like they had a good shot at beating GB with a better QB. They beat the bucs this year with Goff. I think they view with a big upgrade they are likely right here  

That said i think they are delusional for thinking Stafford was worth that much in a trade when he’s 33 and had serious injuries in the past. I think they are also delusional to think Stafford is still in his prime years. He’s likely at the end of it.