13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Of course they are that delusional. It’s Howie Roseman and Jeffery Lurie. 

Right? What about the eagles over the last year has shown they aren’t delusional? Doug said his coordinators would be back the next day they fired them. They drafted a QB in the second round after just giving wentz a massive contract and tried to pull we needed a cheap backup. They had doug go to the presser with howie on Monday. Then firing him the next week. To then waiting to do a presser until Friday as lurie speak for 20 minutes and no one ask him questions and 30 minutes with sirianni where there were like 15 questions. they totally think they could bring both back and be fine.  

10 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I don't think the Eagles are thinking about trading Wentz at all. They just care a lot about public perception. So while maybe they would have liked to endorse Wentz as the starter in one of these press conferences, they knew it would look bad to not embrace a QB competition (which Wentz doesn't want to hear). So Sirianni had to toe the line for Lowie. 

If they were considering trading Wentz, they still could have committed to Wentz in the press conference. That happens all the time.

This seems strained to me. So instead of appeasing the person you believe is your franchise QB, you’d rather alienate him just to please your fanbase?

Doubtful. I don’t know of a single organization that would do that. Especially when a QB competition will undoubtedly take away snaps from your so-called franchise QB (who clearly needs all the snaps he can get).

10 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Wentz had 10 fumbles last year in 13 games

Goff had 7 in 18 games 

Career wise Wentz has 58 and Goff has 42.   Its a lot for both guys. 

10 hours ago, metal said:

With Detroit almost guaranteed to take a QB in the first round I think they could be a trade partner for the Eagles. Moving back to 7 should net you a 4th round pick and it won't impact the Eagles draft plans.

I think the Lions might want to move up further than just one spot and they now have the draft capital to easily do it. But, it could help the Eagles, if the Lions move ahead of them and take a QB (unless the Eagles want a QB).  I think QB needy teams might try to trade up and that could cause some of the other players to fall to #6.  The Eagles could possibly be a trade partner for some other team (maybe the Panthers or some other team) that wants to move into the top 10 for one of the few first round QBs.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Right? What about the eagles over the last year has shown they aren’t delusional? Doug said his coordinators would be back the next day they fired them. They drafted a QB in the second round after just giving wentz a massive contract and tried to pull we needed a cheap backup. They had doug go to the presser with howie on Monday. Then firing him the next week. To then waiting to do a presser until Friday qbs had lurie speak for 20 minutes and no one ask him questions and like 30 minutes with sirianni where there were like 15 questions. they totally think they could bring both back and be fine.  

I’ve come to learn that in any scenario, you can imagine the basic, most simplest thing to do and then bank on the Eagles doing the complete opposite. 

1 minute ago, Thrive said:

This seems strained to me. So instead of appeasing the person you believe is your franchise QB, you’d rather alienate him just to please your fanbase?

Doubtful. I don’t know of a single organization that would do that. Especially when a QB competition will undoubtedly take away snaps from your so-called franchise QB (who clearly needs all the snaps he can get).

The relationship is already strained, lol. They want it to work with Wentz. They're trying to avoid a mass media storm where they're criticized for sticking with Wentz and not giving Hurts a shot in camp.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I’ve come to learn that in any scenario, you can imagine the basic, most simplest thing to do and then bank on the Eagles doing the complete opposite. 

Does anyone really doubt the eagles believe they can have hurts and wentz back in 2021 and be fine? If Vegas had odds on betting that is likely the highest odds on the board at the moment  

This was bizarre. What did Goff do off the field? His on the field play was not so bad that even the GM would want him gone this bad.

I mean, we all already know he isn’t the sharpest knife in the tool box but still.

3 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

The relationship is already strained, lol. They want it to work with Wentz. They're trying to avoid a mass media storm where they're criticized for sticking with Wentz and not giving Hurts a shot in camp.

The media storm is one thing. Having a true competition in which first team reps are split is another. One affects the actual football product and the other is just outside noise. 
 

Anyway, what you posit is highly unlikely under several different theories, especially in light of Carson’s very bad play. They may want Carson back but I find it hard to believe they think he is their unquestioned starter as of right now.

11 minutes ago, Thrive said:

This was bizarre. What did Goff do off the field? His on the field play was not so bad that even the GM would want him gone this bad.

I mean, we all already know he isn’t the sharpest knife in the tool box but still.

I really believe this comes down to the Rams think that Jared Goff is holding Sean McVay and his offense back. I think it’s that simple. I think they look at SB LIII and say if we had a better quarterback we win that Super Bowl cause the defense was good enough to win it. I think they believe that barely beat the bucs with Goff that with a better QB they likely could have won the nfc.

When i watch the Rams i find myself usually saying if they had a better QB than Jared Goff they are a much bigger threat in the nfc. i believe mcvay thinks with a better QB he can really open up his playbook. 

8 minutes ago, Thrive said:

This was bizarre. What did Goff do off the field? His on the field play was not so bad that even the GM would want him gone this bad.

I mean, we all already know he isn’t the sharpest knife in the tool box but still.

 Didn’t Goff sing his contract around the same time Wentz did?   The Eagles draft a QB in the 2nd round of the next draft and the Rams are like, this dude sucks and we over paid him tremendously, he’s actually dumb as a box of rocks, please take him. 

Not to hijack the Blog on this Carson Wentz discourse but I think we are all still processing what’s transpired tonight with Goff and what’s transpired over the past couple of years with Carson.

Can we allow ourselves to rethink Carson’s 2017 season? Was it really what we thought it was? Should we now give more credence to the old counterpoint that Foles was just as good or even better on that same team?

Honestly, this sucks as I didn’t imagine we’d be here after 2017 but here we are.

1 minute ago, The Blackfish said:

 Didn’t Goff sing his contract around the same time Wentz did?   The Eagles draft a QB in the 2nd round of the next draft and the Rams are like, this dude sucks and we over paid him tremendously, he’s actually dumb as a box of rocks, please take him. 

Yep. He signed it a few months later. And an argument can be made that Goff has performed better over their careers.

24 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I’ve come to learn that in any scenario, you can imagine the basic, most simplest thing to do and then bank on the Eagles doing the complete opposite. 

I'm no fan of Howie, but this is an emotional rather than rational statement.   Many times throughout Lurie's ownership he and the team have made great decisions.   I understand the recent frustration, the past two seasons have been poorly executed, but to blanket them with this statement is unwarranted. 

4 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I'm no fan of Howie, but this is an emotional rather than rational statement.   Many times throughout Lurie's ownership he and the team have made great decisions.   I understand the recent frustration, the past two seasons have been poorly executed, but to blanket them with this statement is unwarranted. 

It’s why i have said over the last year makes you think they wouldn’t believe they could bring back hurts and wentz and it’d be fine. Legit last year all they had to do was hire a new OC after firing Groh and they somehow came up with the concoction they did. You also have doug saying coordinators will be back then 2 days later fired. They drafted a QB in the second round after paying wentz massive money and said they needed a cheap backup qb. They had doug go to the presser with howie to fire him a week later. In the past I’d agree but the last year i believe their actions speak for themselves and they are delusional enough to believe hurts and wentz here next year is fine. 

30 minutes ago, Thrive said:

The media storm is one thing. Having a true competition in which first team reps are split is another. One affects the actual football product and the other is just outside noise. 
 

Anyway, what you posit is highly unlikely under several different theories, especially in light of Carson’s very bad play. They may want Carson back but I find it hard to believe they think he is their unquestioned starter as of right now.

I think they very much don't want to hurt his feelings any further. 

Folks, WE'RE REBUILDING.

Let me explain this, offseason decisions are not about competing in 2021, it's about putting together a competitive team in 2023.

Which totally shifts the logic, you don't care which QB will win you games next year, you care about the upside for 2023.

The Eagles don't have to do anything they don't want to do, there are no holes to fill, there is just talent to develop and add.

So there is no reason to move either QB unless someone makes you an offer you can't refuse. You can just play it as it lays, and see what happens.

12 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I'm no fan of Howie, but this is an emotional rather than rational statement.   Many times throughout Lurie's ownership he and the team have made great decisions.   I understand the recent frustration, the past two seasons have been poorly executed, but to blanket them with this statement is unwarranted. 

Well for one I’m talking more recent than over Lurie’s entire ownership. I didn’t say this was always the case, just meant more recently it’s par the course. Second, this isn’t emotional at all. Look at everything they did recently. They overcorrect themselves constantly that it’s always a detriment. There’s never any nuance. Even benching Wentz was a disaster. They could have done what everyone else does by benching Wentz at halftime but going back to him the next game. They couldn’t even do that right. They weren’t happy with the speed of the team so they focus only on speed and didn’t improve at all. They weren’t happy with the OC so they bring in 10 guys and didn’t improve at all. They drafted a QB in the 2nd round immediately after signing their QB to an extension. If you can’t see that this current regime thinks they are smarter than everyone else and has recently been making constant dumb and confusing decisions I don’t know what to tell you. 

If anyone needs some entertainment, stop by a Rams forum, they’re pissed, a few want the Reddit Army to sue the team, it’s hysterical. They have lost their crap!  

3 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

If anyone needs some entertainment, stop by a Rams forum, they’re pissed, a few want the Reddit Army to sue the team, it’s hysterical. They have lost their crap!  

Honestly I’d be pissed if i were a Rams fan too. I dislike Goff a lot. And i would’ve gotten rid of him and not signed him to that deal cause i thought mcvay’s offense was held back by Goff. Not the other way around. However this trade if the Rams don’t win a super bowl in the next two years is going to blow up in their face. When Stafford begins to decline at 35/36 they have had like 6-7 year without a first and forced you to be great in rounds 2-7 otherwise you are going to be awful for a while. Granted maybe they want that as they rather be bad then stuck in purgatory at that point. 

Lol 

 

30 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Folks, WE'RE REBUILDING.

Let me explain this, offseason decisions are not about competing in 2021, it's about putting together a competitive team in 2023.

Which totally shifts the logic, you don't care which QB will win you games next year, you care about the upside for 2023.

The Eagles don't have to do anything they don't want to do, there are no holes to fill, there is just talent to develop and add.

So there is no reason to move either QB unless someone makes you an offer you can't refuse. You can just play it as it lays, and see what happens.

If they don’t feel he’s ever going to get back to a franchise QB level, let alone one who is good enough to win you a SB, then it would make no sense not to get out of that contract now. And assuming you’re right that this is a 2 year step back(I think it could be more, but not intentionally on their part) then Wentz will be 30 years old. I don’t see any way from my perspective on why it makes sense to keep him.

If the upside is the 2019 version Of Wentz, get rid of him, bite the bullet for a year and you don’t have to worry about that contract again. You don’t want that salary tying you down.

11 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

If they don’t feel he’s ever going to get back to a franchise QB level, let alone one who is good enough to win you a SB, then it would make no sense not to get out of that contract now. And assuming you’re right that this is a 2 year step back(I think it could be more, but not intentionally on their part) then Wentz will be 30 years old. I don’t see any way from my perspective on why it makes sense to keep him.

If the upside is the 2019 version Of Wentz, get rid of him, bite the bullet for a year and you don’t have to worry about that contract again. You don’t want that salary tying you down.

Well if his upside is the 2019 version, you can’t pass up a QB in the first round this year, right (if you project them to be franchise QBs)? You may not get a chance to be here for a while.

The more I think about it, the more complex this really is. Unless they see Hurts as a potential franchise QB or Carson being able to come back to 2017 level of play, I think you have to seriously look at QB in round 1.

And yet that seems like really poor roster building. 

5 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Well if his upside is the 2019 version, you can’t pass up a QB in the first round this year, right (if you project them to be franchise QBs)? You may not get a chance to be here for a while.

The more I think about it, the more complex this really is. Unless they see Hurts as a potential franchise QB or Carson being able to come back to 2017 level of play, I think you have to seriously look at QB in round 1.

And yet that seems like really poor roster building. 

Disagree with that. They were pretty far out in 2016 and managed to get #2. They can get the chance if they really want it. 

13 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Well if his upside is the 2019 version, you can’t pass up a QB in the first round this year, right (if you project them to be franchise QBs)? You may not get a chance to be here for a while.

The more I think about it, the more complex this really is. Unless they see Hurts as a potential franchise QB or Carson being able to come back to 2017 level of play, I think you have to seriously look at QB in round 1.

And yet that seems like really poor roster building. 

I think they will get that chance again in 2022. Realistically, I see only 2 teams that could be as bad as the Eagles. Lions and Bengals. Maybe Giants. I think at the absolute best we have a top 7 pick, probably top 3-5.