Lions got a kings ransom. From their perspective, they weren’t going anywhere with Stafford and while Goff is a drop off compared to Stafford, it’s not a steep drop. 
 

Props to Lions.

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

We don’t have many pro bowlers to worry about.

True but Eagles luck being what it is at least one of them would blow out an ACL

It was nice back when I was confident Wentz was a truck. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

It was nice back when I was confident Wentz was a truck. 

He showed us he can be. I have not given up on that yet

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It was nice back when I was confident Wentz was a truck. 

Probably no QB is a truck. If their OL sucks,  WRs suck, and the offense scheme sucks,  then they will suck.

Wentz is as close to a truck as a QB can get.  And he's not getting traded. 

I can't believe how many pages of Wentz trade discussion just happened in here since last night. 

10 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Yeah, if you break down all the potential scenarios to keeping Wentz, there's far more possible scenarios where this thing could backfire than it could they work out. And the scenario of it working out seems implausible if you believe Mike Garafolo who said it wasn't just Doug, Wentz isn't happy with the entire organization right now either.

Remember, for it to be worth keeping Wentz and his new contract, they need to get him back to his 2017 level. Not his 2019 level. And IMO it's super unlikely he ever gets back to the 2017 level again. He's not worth that mega contract if he plays like he did in 2019.

So if the best case scenario is get Wentz back to 2019 Wentz and the worst case scenario is this thing blows the locker room apart, you gotta trade him. The cost/benefit doesn't work in their favor.

If attaining the 2017 level of play is implausible due to physical limitations that is severe poor luck for both him and the organization. It also makes his contract highly questionable even though at the time it seemed like a good deal. That should be the first step in assessing Wentz, determining his maneuverability and quickness and if any improvement is attainable. A lot of big plays are created by extending plays

14 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

I tried 🤷‍♂️

They're stubborn as hell

I have many of them on ignore.

14 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

He showed us he can be. I have not given up on that yet

I haven’t given up either, but I’m nowhere near as confident in him. 

18 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

He showed us he can be. I have not given up on that yet

I'm not saying this with a sarcastic tone...But how many years removed from 2017 do we need to be without Wentz dominance and without a Wentz playoff game before we need to give up?

We are at 3 right now.  And I don't think dominance and a playoff game are expectations for 2021, given that the damn owner wrote off the season already.  So that's a pretty safe bet to hit 4 years.

4 years is a long time to wait in the NFL.

14 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

If attaining the 2017 level of play is implausible due to physical limitations that is severe poor luck for both him and the organization. It also makes his contract highly questionable even though at the time it seemed like a good deal. That should be the first step in assessing Wentz, determining his maneuverability and quickness and if any improvement is attainable. A lot of big plays are created by extending plays

What physical limitations? If Wentz is a little slower, big deal, he's still able to elude pressure in the pocket, still has the same arm strength. He's not a running QB.

The problem is mechanics, coaching and the talent around him.

Just now, austinfan said:

What physical limitations? If Wentz is a little slower, big deal, he's still able to elude pressure in the pocket, still has the same arm strength. He's not a running QB.

The problem is mechanics, coaching and the talent around him.

If a professional athlete cannot achieve minimum functional mechanics after 5 years in the NFL, it's approaching a physical limitation.

21 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It was nice back when I was confident Wentz was a truck. 

If the offensive line is top 5 a Toyota pick up has a much better chance of looking like a Mack Truck.  If Sewell is available pick him and take an interior offensive lineman in the 2nd or 3rd round.

Regardless of whether Wentz, Hurts, or another guy is the QB, a dominate line is their best chance of success.  Since Eagles are in rebuild mode build the most important part of the team now.  

 

10 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

All i know is i don’t think they want to deal wentz or hurts. I believe DJ and Brandt they aren’t going to deal him unless he makes it hard on them and forces their hand which would make sense he goes the route of Deshaun watson and put it out there to force their hand as if we believe DJ in his podcast.

i think they’ve always viewed it you want two good QBs on the team with the nfl going 17 games and three importance of having good QBs behind your starter. I also think they didn’t draft hurts to just be the backup. I think it was always an insurance plan if wentz played more like early season wentz in 2019 and not late season. They figured we are stuck with his contract at least through 2021. So by then hurts should be ready if wentz failed. 

I’m confused, Hurts sucks but is a threat to CW ???

Personally I hope Wentz isn’t the pu$$y that he is portrayed here as. Hurts, is fine as the back up better than Sudz. A 2nd is a little expensive but cheap as far as salary and then maybe he develops into something more, you trade or get comp picks for to recoup some of the draft capital that you invested in an insurance policy. In other words no QB controversy just business

2 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

If the offensive line is top 5 a Toyota pick up has a much better chance of looking like a Mack Truck.  If Sewell is available pick him and take an interior offensive lineman in the 2nd or 3rd round.

Regardless of whether Wentz, Hurts, or another guy is the QB, a dominate line is their best chance of success.  Since Eagles are in rebuild mode build the most important part of the team now.  

 

I disagree that OL is the most important part of the team.  Conventional wisdom is evolving with the way NFL gameplay is changing.  That's not to say OL is not exceptionally important.

I would just say that OL is the most important place to start a rebuild. 

If you are hauling a 200k boat, the trailer is just as important as the truck.  It's just important to build with the OL first.  That's not to say you need an all-pro RT and an average WR corps.  But there is no point in having an all-pro WR corps when your OL is hot garbage.

Just now, The guy in France said:

I’m confused, Hurts sucks but is a threat to CW ???

Personally I hope Wentz isn’t the pu$$y that he is portrayed here as. Hurts, is fine as the back up better than Sudz. A 2nd is a little expensive but cheap as far as salary and then maybe he develops into something more, you trade or get comp picks for to recoup some of the draft capital that you invested in an insurance policy. In other words no QB controversy just business

There is an interesting contrast here between Wentz and Mcnabb.  

Mcnabb stumbled all over himself and pissed everyone off whenever you put a mic in front of him.  Wentz always says the right thing and takes the blame.  Always.  It was easy to follow the narrative that Mcnabb had an attitude problem (and he most certainly did).

Is Wentz an insecure, stubborn, diva who lacks accountability behind the scenes?  That's what whispers are telling us.  But the guy doesn't seem to act that way in PC's or on the sidelines.

33 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Probably no QB is a truck. If their OL sucks,  WRs suck, and the offense scheme sucks,  then they will suck.

Wentz is as close to a truck as a QB can get.  And he's not getting traded. 

I can't believe how many pages of Wentz trade discussion just happened in here since last night. 

 

 

Wentz is nowhere in the discussion of a truck.  Last season showed he has truly become one of the worst QBs in the NFL.  Malcom Jenkins  also came out yesterday and basically proved that Wentz and his ego are major issues. 

I hope the Eagles can trade him but yesterday's trade showed that Wentz is going to have next to no value after seeing what the Rams had to package along with him to get Stafford. 

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Wentz is nowhere in the discussion of a truck.  Last season showed he has truly become one of the worst QBs in the NFL.  Malcom Jenkins  also came out yesterday and basically proved that Wentz and his ego are major issues. 

I hope the Eagles can trade him but yesterday's trade showed that Wentz is going to have next to no value after seeing what the Rams had to package along with him to get Stafford. 

Malcom Jenkins and his ego are a major issue.  I have been labeled as anti Wentz, but if Jenkins doesn’t like him, Wentz goes up a peg in my book.  

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Malcom Jenkins and his ego are a major issue.  I have been labeled as anti Wentz, but if Jenkins doesn’t like him, Wentz goes up a peg in my book.  

Fact is there have been stories coming out on Wentz for 3 seasons now and Jenkins is someone putting their name on it.  There are obviously issues with Wentz in the locker room and after this season he is also one of the worst QBs in the league to go along with it. 

9 hours ago, schuy7 said:

I think they very much don't want to hurt his feelings any further. 

Football tough 😏

We've been screaming about Wentz's mechanics for years. He's publicly said there are no issues there.

So yes, it's unsurprising that players feel he's not pushed enough.

1 hour ago, Blazehound said:

Lions got a kings ransom. From their perspective, they weren’t going anywhere with Stafford and while Goff is a drop off compared to Stafford, it’s not a steep drop. 
 

Props to Lions.

That's my thinking as well. The Lions need a lot. But they have a nice haul of picks now and money to spend. I actually envy them in this regard. This is why I am fine with trading back, twice even. Pick up a bounty of picks between this year AND 2022. Move back to 10ish then again to around 15ish. You can get a quality haul for that. This is easily a two year build here. There will be some quality swing linemen in that area and plenty of defensive players. 

8 hours ago, Thrive said:

Well if his upside is the 2019 version, you can’t pass up a QB in the first round this year, right (if you project them to be franchise QBs)? You may not get a chance to be here for a while.

The more I think about it, the more complex this really is. Unless they see Hurts as a potential franchise QB or Carson being able to come back to 2017 level of play, I think you have to seriously look at QB in round 1.

And yet that seems like really poor roster building. 

If CW sux there is always next year. Maybe a new staff can reclaim him especially with all thats been invested in him already. I also thought the cap hit is substantial this yr vs next. Also possible to trade him in season and after Nick and staff have a good taste

30 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Malcom Jenkins and his ego are a major issue.  I have been labeled as anti Wentz, but if Jenkins doesn’t like him, Wentz goes up a peg in my book.  

malcom better worry about where he's playing next season when the saints start dumping old vets that don't offer nothing but quotes on other players since they are in worse cap hell then any team.

2 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

The Rams are still taking Goff's dead money hit so it doesnt matter. The salary base is not guaranteed so if the Lions dont want him they would just cut him the next day. Lions are taking a 17+ mill dead cap hit, Rams a 22+ mill hit.If the Lions didnt want Goff the Rams could have found another team to trade him to and take the same cap hit. I can bet another team would have taken Goff with all the teams looking for QBs. 

I think if 7-8 teams were really making offers that there was a bidding war and Stafford would have landed still the two firsts. If it was only 2 teams, I dont think it would be as heavy. Maybe most teams feel the same as me that this QB draft class just sucks. 

Lions are taking on close to $40M in guaranteed money in his contact 

59 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I'm not saying this with a sarcastic tone...But how many years removed from 2017 do we need to be without Wentz dominance and without a Wentz playoff game before we need to give up?

We are at 3 right now.  And I don't think dominance and a playoff game are expectations for 2021, given that the damn owner wrote off the season already.  So that's a pretty safe bet to hit 4 years.

4 years is a long time to wait in the NFL.

Not on a qb