1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Hurts himself is NOT the issue.  He has shown in the past he’s a team guy, and if Sirianni told him he’s the backup and will hold a clipboard he will do that and not complain.  He just finished his rookie season.

The issue is there WILL be players in the locker room who believe Hurts should be the starter — and not through ability.  I believe Wentz knows this.

What does this part mean?

17 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

https://www.nfl.com/pro-bowl/madden

 

This is your probowl. Madden events starting at 3pm est

I'm confused. So are they playing the madden game as the pro bowl?

I completely disagree with this narrative that the Rams had to package more for Stafford because Goff has negative value due to his contract.  It's a knee-jerk reaction to a surprising trade that proves why there are professionals running NFL front offices and not members of the media.  Here is my belief:

It's been reported that multiple teams had interest in Stafford. We can only speculate which teams, but we can make educated guesses.  Likely the 49ers, Colts, Broncos, Raiders, Panthers, and maybe even the Patriots discussed Stafford with the Lions.  What do all those teams have in common?  They all have 2021 first round picks that have much more value than the Rams 2022 and 2023 first round picks.   Then why would the Lions trade with the Rams when those 2022 and 2023 first round picks will very likely be in the 25-32 Range??  Because Goff has value.  Not much value, but value none-the-less.  

The rebuilding Lions can see what Goff brings in 2021 and make a decision from there.  There is value in that and the Rams know it.

I still believe the Lions won the trade by far, but mostly because the 12 year veteran Stafford is still an unknown.  How will be preform will all this pressure?  It'll be fun to watch. 

Just now, Bloodtype_Green said:

I completely disagree with this narrative that the Rams had to package more for Stafford because Goff has negative value due to his contract.  It's a knee-jerk reaction to a surprising trade that proves why there are professionals running NFL front offices and not members of the media.  Here is my belief:

It's been reported that multiple teams had interest in Stafford. We can only speculate which teams, but we can make educated guesses.  Likely the 49ers, Colts, Broncos, Raiders, Panthers, and maybe even the Patriots discussed Stafford with the Lions.  What do all those teams have in common?  They all have 2021 first round picks that have much more value than the Rams 2022 and 2023 first round picks.   Then why would the Lions trade with the Rams when those 2022 and 2023 first round picks will very likely be in the 25-32 Range??  Because Goff has value.  Not much value, but value none-the-less.  

The rebuilding Lions can see what Goff brings in 2021 and make a decision from there.  There is value in that and the Rams know it.

I still believe the Lions won the trade by far, but mostly because the 12 year veteran Stafford is still an unknown.  How will be preform will all this pressure?  It'll be fun to watch. 

We'll never know.  

My opinion is that Goff was a filler.  The real trade was Stafford for two 1's and a 3.

Detroit needed someone to throw under center for the interim and LA needed to shed the contract.  So Goff was a mutually agreeable toss-in, essentially traded for 0.

Goff has a resume that is better than Wentz (get over it, he does) and was better last year.  His contract is also a little bit worse.

If his trade value is zero, that establishes Wentz at zero.

2 hours ago, The guy in France said:

I’m confused, Hurts sucks but is a threat to CW ???

Personally I hope Wentz isn’t the pu$$y that he is portrayed here as. Hurts, is fine as the back up better than Sudz. A 2nd is a little expensive but cheap as far as salary and then maybe he develops into something more, you trade or get comp picks for to recoup some of the draft capital that you invested in an insurance policy. In other words no QB controversy just business

First, where did I say hurts sucks? I didn’t write that. I have said in the past i think if you groom him properly he’s likely maxing out as a middle tier starting QB (13-18) which i don’t think is good enough to win you a SB. That said his performance last year he was solid to good in first halves of games then the teams adjusted and he wasn’t very good or as effective. That’s different then saying he sucks. 

second, i still believe the eagles were setting themselves up with a backup plan. I think hurts’ ceiling is a middle tier starting QB but that doesn’t mean that’s how the eagles view him. They consistently say they didn’t want to miss out on the next Russell Wilson. They clearly think much higher of him then I and many do. Hence why i think the eagles went in with a backup plan to wentz. I feel they viewed the end of 2019 as potential fools gold due to the opponents that the eagles faced the last 5 weeks of the season. They didn’t know if wentz would be end of 2019 wentz consistently or more beginning of 2019. They loved hurts and figured we have 2 years with wentz to figure out what exactly he is (contractually). If he isn’t end of 2019 or 2017 wentz we have the two years of developing hurts so that he is ready to take over for Carson when we move on. I think they have always believe in grooming hurts in case that happens and it would take time especially in a pandemic. That seems like a much more reasonable line of thinking then oh yeah we just need a cheap back up quarterback. You could’ve gotten a cheap back up quarterback like chad henne who helped the chiefs win a game or taken one later in the draft to develop into that while sudfeld was the backup this year.

It Makes way more sense that the Eagles were setting themselves up in the future to have their quarterback if Carson didn’t work out. The covering all your bases and trying to be the smartest person in the room 

third, BS on no controversy. It became a controversy as soon as they made the selection. You just bought hook line and sinker the BS the eagles like to spin to you where it’s all about needing a cheap backup QB. I don’t. Just like I’m sure Carson wentz was thrilled when they told them they were taking hurts like howie claimed. Lol. Because the eagles notoriously use BS spins they want out there when there’s a bigger truth they don’t want to put out there. This pick with how they talk about hurts and knowing he needed a year or two of development as safety net in case wentz failed. 

I'll write that Hurts sucks.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Goff has a resume that is better than Wentz (get over it, he does) and was better last year.  His contract is also a little bit worse.

If his trade value is zero, that establishes Wentz at zero.

Agreed and folks in the Blog will take issue with this. What Wentz has going for him is that he is physically (and mentally) more talented than Goff.

What Wentz has become with the level of talent he has is a bit mind boggling. 

Guys, seriously? Malcolm didn’t like Wentz cause of social issues? Grow up, please. Stop bringing your own agendas into it. 

Just now, Thrive said:

Agreed and folks in the Blog will take issue with this. What Wentz has going for him is that he is physically (and mentally) more talented than Goff.

What Wentz has become with the level of talent he has is a bit mind boggling. 

The NFL loves precedents for trades.

Wentz has more talent than Goff.  I can certainly understand why certain teams would prefer to make Wentz their salvage project over Goff.

But when the GM to GM trade conversation kicks off, the fact that a younger, statistically superior passer with playoff wins was traded for 0...well...that's going to enter the conversation.  

2 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Guys, seriously? Malcolm didn’t like Wentz cause of social issues? Grow up, please. Stop bringing your own agendas into it. 

He doesn't like Brees because of social issues, so there's that.

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Goff has a resume that is better than Wentz (get over it, he does) and was better last year.  His contract is also a little bit worse.

If his trade value is zero, that establishes Wentz at zero.

I think you are about to see how much mcvay made Goff look as good as he did next year. I think you are going to see a Goff regression to better than his 2016 rookie year form in Detroit but really much lower than he has looked from 2017-2020. Mcvay gets crapped on in here but frankly i think his offense and playbook was held back by Goff.  

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think you are about to see how much mcvay made Goff look as good as he did next year. I think you are going to see a Goff regression to better than his 2016 rookie year form in Detroit but really much lower than he has looked from 2017-2020. Mcvay gets crapped on in here but frankly i think his offense and playbook was held back by Goff.  

I don't doubt at all that Mcvay and that offense made Goff look better than he was.  I fully expect Goff to be a bottom 3rd QB next year.

But the trade precedent is what it is.  Goff has had a more accomplished career than Wentz to date.  It won't be easy to get a GM to trade something of value for Wentz when Goff was flipped for 0 as an afterthought.  

10 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Agreed and folks in the Blog will take issue with this. What Wentz has going for him is that he is physically (and mentally) more talented than Goff.

What Wentz has become with the level of talent he has is a bit mind boggling. 

 

Not sure how you can say that Wentz is mentally more talented than any QB right now.  Not after last season.  

If Siri really wants to exploit matchups and that's his greatest strength, Pitts may very well be in play as early as 6. He is the definition of a matchup nightmare. 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't doubt at all that Mcvay and that offense made Goff look better than he was.  I fully expect Goff to be a bottom 3rd QB next year.

But the trade precedent is what it is.  Goff has had a more accomplished career than Wentz to date.  It won't be easy to get a GM to trade something of value for Wentz when Goff was flipped for 0 as an afterthought.  

I think a lot of GMs look at Goff’s resume and attribute it more toward sean mcvay is a hell of a coach to even get where he has with Goff then wow look at Goff’s resume. Teams watched Goff play against better teams in this league and legitimately hurt the Rams by keeping it closer then it shouldve (case and point tampa and both seattle wins— he plus better those games aren’t even close)(has had games where he hasn’t done that but way more where he’s been the issue)

Frankly i don’t think they are trading wentz. So whatever his resume is or isn’t makes no difference. I will say I’m thinking most competent QBs would have a good resume working with mcvay. Hence why people around the league didn’t really care about Goff’s resume as much knowing it’s likely mcvay.

I think people believe they might deal him when i think the eagles want hurts and wentz back and that’s their realistic plan. 

49 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

I think its going to be a madden version of it. Dumb

Probably be more entertaining than if they actually played.

I think the Rams overpaid for Stafford with urgency because of the landscape of the NFC.

Just 1 year ago, the consensus was that the Chiefs were the only power in the AFC, while the NFC had a daunting supply of very good teams.

Now, look at the NFC.  The Saints are done.  The Packers might lose Rodgers, in which case they are done.  For all the respect that SF gets, they really are just the reincarnation of the 2017 Jaguars.  That's not a good team.  The NFC East is obviously a joke.  And as horrible as it seems to bet against Brady...the music is going to stop for him very shortly.

So I think LA saw an opportunity to establish themselves as THE uncontested dominant power in the NFC for the next couple years.  The rest of their roster is also built only for the short-term future.  

It's a bad trade on paper, but that's what they are thinking.

6 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

If Siri really wants to exploit matchups and that's his greatest strength, Pitts may very well be in play as early as 6. He is the definition of a matchup nightmare. 

While I have zero confidence in anything the Eagles do pertaining to the draft, the fact that our new QB coach was the OC for Pitts (and future 1st round WR Toney) makes me feel a little better that their decision to select or pass on those guys just might be well-informed.

So the first blockbuster trade of the off-season has happened.  Lions seemed to make out really good there as it was known Stafford wanted to leave.  So they add a 3rd this draft plus another 1st Round pick in each of the next 2 drafts.  With Goff's contract they are stuck with him for the next 2 seasons, but it also buys them time to develop their own young QB to take over in 2023.  Now they have extra 1st Round picks to trade up for a really good one, maybe not in this draft since it was a shortened college season and the QB class isn't anything special, but maybe next draft after a closer to normal college season where it'll be easier to evaluate players.  The Rams are now under pressure to win a SB the next 2 seasons while they have all these marquee players under contract.  They rolled the dice (again) so it's all-in for them now.  They don't win anything and their window shuts without 1st rounders to help reload and they could be in a bad way for a while.  Wonder if this is the start to a 2021 QB carousel?

 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I think the Rams overpaid for Stafford with urgency because of the landscape of the NFC.

Just 1 year ago, the consensus was that the Chiefs were the only power in the AFC, while the NFC had a daunting supply of very good teams.

Now, look at the NFC.  The Saints are done.  The Packers might lose Rodgers, in which case they are done.  For all the respect that SF gets, they really are just the reincarnation of the 2017 Jaguars.  That's not a good team.  The NFC East is obviously a joke.  And as horrible as it seems to bet against Brady...the music is going to stop for him very shortly.

So I think LA saw an opportunity to establish themselves as THE uncontested dominant power in the NFC for the next couple years.  The rest of their roster is also built only for the short-term future.  

It's a bad trade on paper, but that's what they are thinking.

That’s how i viewed it however i think SF is a good QB away from being a legit title contender. They have the weapons on offense with aiyuk, deebo, kittle and mostert. 3 of those 4 missed massive amounts of time this past year. If you get an upgrade from Jimmy G like let’s say hypothetically a watson then you can’t tell me with those weapons and that defense getting healthy they aren’t up there for best teams in the conference. This all comes down to SF getting a upgrade over Jimmy G though. I wouldn’t be as surprised if they miss out on watson and Stafford that they potentially look for a trade of Matt Ryan or darnold. However Ryan’s contract makes that a challenge. 

that said I agree with you. The Rams look at this as their window is probably the next two years and possibly 3 to win a Super Bowl. They weren’t going to win it with Jared Goff. He already proved besides the Saints game (where he and the Rams were fortunate with the officials) That he was likely not good enough to get them to that Super Bowl with the window that they have. He tends to be their biggest issue in games against good teams as he makes bad decisions and keeps the Rams lose when it really it shouldn’t be as close of a game except for his performance. However this has major blow up in your face because Matt Stafford is not young anymore. He’s 33 and has had injuries the past couple years and he’s had major back injuries in his career. They are hoping the next two or three years he plays at a high level. There’s a chance that he begins his decline ans exiting his prime to the point where you might be better than with Goff but not good enough to get where are you actually want to go. I’m still floored the lions got what they did even if those first are back end of the first round. Which an injury to Stafford there’s an chance it’s higher 

22 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

First, where did I say hurts sucks? I didn’t write that. I have said in the past i think if you groom him properly he’s likely maxing out as a middle tier starting QB (13-18) which i don’t think is good enough to win you a SB. That said his performance last year he was solid to good in first halves of games then the teams adjusted and he wasn’t very good or as effective. That’s different then saying he sucks. 

second, i still believe the eagles were setting themselves up with a backup plan. I think hurts’ ceiling is a middle tier starting QB but that doesn’t mean that’s how the eagles view him. They consistently say they didn’t want to miss out on the next Russell Wilson. They clearly think much higher of him then I and many do. Hence why i think the eagles went in with a backup plan to wentz. I feel they viewed the end of 2019 as potential fools gold due to the opponents that the eagles faced the last 5 weeks of the season. They didn’t know if wentz would be end of 2019 wentz consistently or more beginning of 2019. They loved hurts and figured we have 2 years with wentz to figure out what exactly he is (contractually). If he isn’t end of 2019 or 2017 wentz we have the two years of developing hurts so that he is ready to take over for Carson when we move on. I think they have always believe in grooming hurts in case that happens and it would take time especially in a pandemic. That seems like a much more reasonable line of thinking then oh yeah we just need a cheap back up quarterback. You could’ve gotten a cheap back up quarterback like chad henne who helped the chiefs win a game or taken one later in the draft to develop into that while sudfeld was the backup this year.

It Makes way more sense that the Eagles were setting themselves up in the future to have their quarterback if Carson didn’t work out. The covering all your bases and trying to be the smartest person in the room 

third, BS on no controversy. It became a controversy as soon as they made the selection. You just bought hook line and sinker the BS the eagles like to spin to you where it’s all about needing a cheap backup QB. I don’t. Just like I’m sure Carson wentz was thrilled when they told them they were taking hurts like howie claimed. Lol. Because the eagles notoriously use BS spins they want out there when there’s a bigger truth they don’t want to put out there. This pick with how they talk about hurts and knowing he needed a year or two of development as safety net in case wentz failed. 

... or gets hurts. I would like our chances infinitely more with Hurts than Sudz. I didn’t like the pick but after seeing him play I see the value of the pick as a relatively suitable fill in/trade asset. Ideally we won’t be seeing much of him next season but I would expect improvement

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I think the Rams overpaid for Stafford with urgency because of the landscape of the NFC.

Just 1 year ago, the consensus was that the Chiefs were the only power in the AFC, while the NFC had a daunting supply of very good teams.

Now, look at the NFC.  The Saints are done.  The Packers might lose Rodgers, in which case they are done.  For all the respect that SF gets, they really are just the reincarnation of the 2017 Jaguars.  That's not a good team.  The NFC East is obviously a joke.  And as horrible as it seems to bet against Brady...the music is going to stop for him very shortly.

So I think LA saw an opportunity to establish themselves as THE uncontested dominant power in the NFC for the next couple years.  The rest of their roster is also built only for the short-term future.  

It's a bad trade on paper, but that's what they are thinking.

I keep seeing this and I don't understand it. Why do people think Rodgers is leaving when he recently signed a huge contract

16 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

... or gets hurts. I would like our chances infinitely more with Hurts than Sudz. I didn’t like the pick but after seeing him play I see the value of the pick as a relatively suitable fill in/trade asset. Ideally we won’t be seeing much of him next season but I would expect improvement

They went 1-3 with their backup QB and the one win they got with another team playing their backup QB. So it really didn’t save their season or justify the value last year (not his career but just 2020). They weren’t going to be good with any backup when their team was bad around him. maybe in the future but they also then wasted a year of the 4 you get with him as a backup.

Do I think they have better chance with hurts over sudfeld? Yes but it really wasn’t that great of a chance. However as it showed no back up quarterback was going to go in there and save the Philadelphia Eagles. And likely isn’t next year or the year after in a rebuild. In a rebuild it doesn’t matter if your backup QB can save you cause you are rebuilding anyway. Which was a whole reason why you need a cheap back up that was capable of keeping them afloat when the starter got hurt (this case played poorly). in a rebuild does it matter? No cause you are rebuilding so they aren’t trying to exactly win games to be a playoff or SB contender. They didn’t stay afloat they were just as bad. And going forward in a rebuild likely the same.  Which goes back to the point instead of adding a competent backup QB you should’ve added guys who potentially could’ve started his year when injuries hit or started week 1 and into the future as part of the rebuild. How great or worthy is a second round pick on a good backup QB when you are entering a rebuild (and they had the thought last year to start a rebuild then backed out)? Yeah that’s one of the positions I’m not worried about in a rebuild (and knowing i needed a rebuild last year and did a 180 when the pandemic hit) 

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

I keep seeing this and I don't understand it. Why do people think Rodgers is leaving when he recently signed a huge contract

He’s not going to be traded. His dead money is way too much and i believe he clarified his statement like two days later and he’s fine being there. People ran with what he said after the loss and blew it up like he definitely wanted out. I think he was more putting pressure on GB to actually make moves to get them over the top cause he was irritated with their plan last year. 

2 hours ago, vaeagle2 said:

malcom better worry about where he's playing next season when the saints start dumping old vets that don't offer nothing but quotes on other players since they are in worse cap hell then any team.

I just don't understand why so many people think that whatever Malcolm Jenkins says is the gospel.