32 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Guys, seriously? Malcolm didn’t like Wentz cause of social issues? Grow up, please. Stop bringing your own agendas into it. 

Why is so so far-fetched to think that?  

20 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I think the Rams overpaid for Stafford with urgency because of the landscape of the NFC.

Just 1 year ago, the consensus was that the Chiefs were the only power in the AFC, while the NFC had a daunting supply of very good teams.

Now, look at the NFC.  The Saints are done.  The Packers might lose Rodgers, in which case they are done.  For all the respect that SF gets, they really are just the reincarnation of the 2017 Jaguars.  That's not a good team.  The NFC East is obviously a joke.  And as horrible as it seems to bet against Brady...the music is going to stop for him very shortly.

So I think LA saw an opportunity to establish themselves as THE uncontested dominant power in the NFC for the next couple years.  The rest of their roster is also built only for the short-term future.  

It's a bad trade on paper, but that's what they are thinking.

TB with TB ??? I don’t see Rodgers leaving in the next 2 seasons 

Just now, bpac55 said:

I just don't understand why so many people think that whatever Malcolm Jenkins says is the gospel.  

Jenkins left the Eagles not by his own accord, so he’s not likely to have positive things to say.  I took his comments more as a shot toward Howie and the coaching staff than a shot at Wentz, though.  All he really said is the team/organization never took the proper steps to hold Wentz to a standard of becoming great, and let his mistakes slide rather than keeping him as accountable as other players.  Others in the locker room saw it and it became an issue.

No idea how close to the truth that is, but it is Jenkins’ perception.  If it’s 100% factual, then the blame does lay with coaching.

Did you guys read the article or quote? Jenkins word for word started "As a teammate and friend of Carson Wentz...” 

I am actually OK with Pitts under a few circumstances:

1.  Poopoo the 40 all you want.  At that point in the draft, I want to see him run 4.45 or better.

2.  Call him a TE, WR, H-back...I don't care what the label is.  He should have a hand in the dirt on fewer than 10% of the plays, maybe even less than 5%...only enough to occasionally confuse a defense into putting a LB on him.  He should get a respectable amount of reps lined up out wide, not just the slot like Ertz.

3. He needs to have the football IQ to be able to handle playing all over the field.  Like everyone says, he's not a TE.  He's not a WR.  To maximize his ability, he's going to have to learn routes from X, Z, slot, TE, etc.   If he can't handle that (look at how some talented players slow down and tread water learning one spot early in their career), then he's never going to become "more than a TE."

4.  No "power forward" WR's.  He's it.  The WRs with whom he shares the field need to be small and fast.  No JJAW, no Ward...Reagor/Hightower/Watkins are the only fits if you run a pseudo 12 personnel with Pitts and Goedert.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Did you guys read the article or quote? Jenkins word for word started "As a teammate and friend of Carson Wentz...” 

That reminds me in talledaga nights "i mean this with all due respect and remember I am saying with all due respect” and the guy goes just cause you say with all due respect doesn’t mean you get to say anything you want. Lol

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I am actually OK with Pitts under a few circumstances:

1.  Poopoo the 40 all you want.  At that point in the draft, I want to see him run 4.45 or better.

2.  Call him a TE, WR, H-back...I don't care what the label is.  He should have a hand in the dirt on fewer than 10% of the plays, maybe even less than 5%...only enough to occasionally confuse a defense into putting a LB on him.  He should get a respectable amount of reps lined up out wide, not just the slot like Ertz.

3. He needs to have the football IQ to be able to handle playing all over the field.  Like everyone says, he's not a TE.  He's not a WR.  To maximize his ability, he's going to have to learn routes from X, Z, slot, TE, etc.   If he can't handle that (look at how some talented players slow down and tread water learning one spot early in their career), then he's never going to become "more than a TE."

4.  No "power forward" WR's.  He's it.  The WRs with whom he shares the field need to be small and fast.  No JJAW, no Ward...Reagor/Hightower/Watkins are the only fits if you run a pseudo 12 personnel with Pitts and Goedert.

welcome aboard!

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Did you guys read the article or quote? Jenkins word for word started "As a teammate and friend of Carson Wentz...” 

Yeah, you don't criticize your friend's maturity to the media.  You just open with that so the ensuing backstabbing doesn't sound as bad.  I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they aren't friends, just like they aren't teammates anymore.

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They went 1-3 with their backup QB and the one win they got with another team playing their backup QB. So it really didn’t save their save their season or justify the value. They weren’t going to be good with any backup when their team was bad around him.maybe in the future but they also then wasted a year of the 4 you get with him as a backup. Do I think they have better chances with hurts over sudfeld? Yes. However as it showed no back up quarterback was going to go in there and save the Philadelphia Eagles. And likely isn’t next year or the year after in a rebuild. In a rebuild it doesn’t matter if your backup QB can save you cause you are rebuilding anyway. Which was a whole reason why you need a cheap back up that was capable of keeping them afloat when the starter got hurt (this case played poorly). I’m a rebuild does it matter? No cause you are rebuilding so they aren’t trying to win games. They didn’t stay afloat they were just as bad and in a rebuild likely the same.  Which goes back to the point instead of adding a competent backup QB you should’ve added guys who potentially could’ve started his year when injuries hit or started week 1 and into the future as part of the rebuild. How great is a worthy is a second round pick on a good backup QB when you are entering a rebuild (and they had the thought last year to start a rebuild then backed out)? Yeah that’s one of the positions I’m not worried about in a rebuild (and knowing i needed a rebuild last year and did a 180 when the pandemic hit) 

Start with the assumption they didn’t expect they were going to suck. Brooks was known to be out for most of the year and they didn’t push Lane to get the ankle surgery done ASAP instead of right before training camp so maybe they should have lowered their expectations. Dillard happened after the draft

16 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

Start with the assumption they didn’t expect they were going to suck. Brooks was known to be out for most of the year and they didn’t push Lane to get the ankle surgery done ASAP instead of right before training camp so maybe they should have lowered their expectations. Dillard happened after the draft

YOU can start with that assumption. I am not cause i said at the start of last offseason they weren’t that good and needed to rebuild then. They barely were 9-7 last year and it took playing 3 of the 4 worst teams in the league at the end of the season and dak having a bum shoulder to just get to 9 wins. And they had injury concerns 2019 but guess what? They have the past 3 years because they rely on older aging veterans. that tends to happen when most of your vital players on your roster have a ton of wear and tear from years of playing and over the age of 30. And dillard was unproven. He could still be bad. So now you are relying on unproven players and have an old team. And I haven’t even talked about the massive amount of question marks they had all over the field because of their off-season plan like maddox just being a good outside corner or Mills playing starting at safety for the first time in the nfl and being ok, their linebackers being a joke. I have about five or six more if you want them. That is besides being an old team that are more prone to injuries. Also having guys they know are young who have had injuries like goedert, maddox (undersized) and Barnett  

again it was brought up last off-season that they were not that good of a roster and needed to start the rebuild. That’s the last four games of 2019 was not indicative of what they actually were and they were just fortunate to play three teams who finished in the top five of the NFL draft and dak Prescott had a bum shoulder for the one decent team they played. 

I don’t care if they didn’t think they would suck. However Roseman straight up told everyone they knew they needed to do a rebuild starting last year but then change the the direction of that offseason because of the pandemic to try and win a crappy division and get bounced in the wild card round. then start a rebuild one year later then they should’ve. So again they knew they had to start a rebuild last year and believed selecting a back up quarterback in the second round was the way to go when they were full on knowing a rebuild was coming after 2020. So I ask again so how valuable is a back up quarterback knowing you are starting/needing a rebuild which is what howie said? So it makes way more sense that the Eagles believe Jalen hurts could be the heir apparent to Carson Wentz if he failed then knowing a rebuild was on the horizon and badly needing a backup QB then 

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

welcome aboard!

I'm on board with some contingencies.  It's just so important that he be used properly.

He's not in the mold of a Gronk or Kelce.  Those guys are not nearly as fast or agile.  What makes them special is that they remain too fast, too agile for LBs, but they are so strong that they toss around DB's with ease.  That's not Pitts' game.  He's not going to toss anyone around.

If Pitts demonstrates the speed to consistently compete with CB's, that's where he gets uniquely dangerous.  If he can get 1 step on a CB on a vertical route out wide, his length makes it impossible for the CB to defend the pass.  Then you move him back in the slot and let our other deep threats (which we don't currently have) drag coverage deep so that he can run free against either a LB or a bad CB underneath.  

But if we can't find WRs to get deep and Pitts is just used like Ertz, he's going to be a high volume low impact guy that gets lost in zone coverage with high reception totals for 9 ypc.

14 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Yeah, you don't criticize your friend's maturity to the media.  You just open with that so the ensuing backstabbing doesn't sound as bad.  I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they aren't friends, just like they aren't teammates anymore.

Well you and I probably would not do so but Jenkins is a bit of a drama queen so I think his case is a bit different. I remember him giving Sean Payton the finger a couple years ago and then he goes back to the Saints 1.5 years later. Whether or not you agreed with his social justice stance, he seemed to find the most dramatic way to express himself. All that to say that I wouldn’t assume he doesn’t view himself as friends with Carson.

I recall that he came out in support of Wentz when the initial Alshon reports came out in 2018 (said something like Wentz was a future MVP).

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Why is so so far-fetched to think that?  

 

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Yeah, you don't criticize your friend's maturity to the media.  You just open with that so the ensuing backstabbing doesn't sound as bad.  I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they aren't friends, just like they aren't teammates anymore.

 Hmmm, my father always opened with things like "you know I'm your Dad and I love you but" prior to giving me corrective advice that often required me to take responsibility for my actions and grow up as a person. Certainly, this is better done in private than public and it is an overt knock on the organization but It's not always backstabbing to tell someone the truth and there is a lot of truth in the organization treating Wentz with kid gloves and him behaving like an entitled young man who doesn't prioritize what it takes to get better in the off season as a QB (other than 2017). He has regressed and it is not just play calling -- fact. Jenkins placed some blame on the organization and let Wentz off a bit in that they were telling the emperor that his clothes looked just great, or in this case, his pocket inefficiency -- from reads, to mechanics and ball security -- looked just great when in fact there was a lot he should have been working on. Hopefully the new coaches are straight shooters, Wentz is open to how to improve his craft, commits to it and returns to prior form. 

3 hours ago, austinfan said:

What physical limitations? If Wentz is a little slower, big deal, he's still able to elude pressure in the pocket, still has the same arm strength. He's not a running QB.

The problem is mechanics, coaching and the talent around him.

Athleticism was a big part of his 2017. His ability to move declined considerably when you look at how he looked when he moved that year compared to 2020. His elusiveness also declined.

Answer me this: how many traits is Wentz above average in right now? Not his athleticism anymore, certainly not his accuracy. Not his ability to read defenses. It’s really only his arm strength. And his arm strength is often negated by his horrendous accuracy.

Its not like Wentz was ever elite at a bunch of different skills. Wentz was a QB who made up for his lack of accuracy with improvisation and athleticism combined with superior coaching in 2017 that put him in the best position to succeed.

It’s not like he was Mahomes out there and is just a step slower. Wentz kinda needs all his skills working at a high level to compliment each of them for him to be at his best. Degrade a few of those skills and he’s going to decline a lot.

He’s probably the least accurate QB in the NFL right now. He misses routine passes. The dude is going into his 6th year, I’m so tired of hearing about mechanics. You see elite QBs throw the ball off their back foot unorthodox and drop balls right in the bucket. But if Wentz has one foot planted at slightly the wrong angle his passes will sail over a receiver’s head by like 20 yards. It’s ridiculous the excuses people make for this dude. If he needs his mechanics to be that perfect just to deliver a routine screen pass, then he’s not the guy. He could barely deliver routine throws this season.

Just thank God we're not the Rams.

 

2 minutes ago, macgregor said:

Just thank God we're not the Rams.

I view the Rams next two years with Stafford with mcvay and that defense are likely going to be fine. The Rams in year 3 and onward are in a world of hurt not having those picks and potentially the team on the decline  

19 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Yeah, you don't criticize your friend's maturity to the media.  You just open with that so the ensuing backstabbing doesn't sound as bad.  I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they aren't friends, just like they aren't teammates anymore.

I’m not saying they are great friends, but if Malcolm didn’t like him because of social justice views he’s not going to pretend to be friends with him. He already called out his own QB because of it, he wouldn’t suddenly have a problem calling out an ex teammate. 

Whats the deal with the phillies? I see they re-signed Realmuto and Didi so theyre retaining some good players. But are they going to be able to do anything to take a step forward this season?

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

We'll never know.  

My opinion is that Goff was a filler.  The real trade was Stafford for two 1's and a 3.

Detroit needed someone to throw under center for the interim and LA needed to shed the contract.  So Goff was a mutually agreeable toss-in, essentially traded for 0.

That definitely could have been the case.  It makes more sense than Goff having negative value. 

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

There’s far worse places in the league to then New England. They had a ton of players opt out this year and still went 7-9 with the 7th ranked defense and bad QB play and poor weapons. They have picks, 60 mil in cap space in a FA class with wide receivers. Based off reading it sounds like Patricia being there, not playing in those elements and having to fill the shoes left behind by brady all factored in 

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Whats the deal with the phillies? I see they re-signed Realmuto and Didi so theyre retaining some good players. But are they going to be able to do anything to take a step forward this season?

Well depends on how bad the bullpen is. If the pen is competent they should. They lost like 14 games last year cause of the bullpen being atrocious. They added some bullpen help but with the Phillies who knows. They really could use an upgrade in the outfield and another starter 

11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Gotta think that has to do with the "Patriots way" trauma he's already experienced under Patricia.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

There’s far worse places in the league to then New England. They had a ton of players opt out this year and still went 7-9 with the 7th ranked defense and bad QB play and poor weapons. They have picks, 60 mil in cap space in a FA class with wide receivers. Based off reading it sounds like Patricia being is there, not playing in those elements and having to fill the shoes left behind by brady all factored in 

He played with a bunch of former Pats in Detroit, so he probably has a good idea of how fun it is there...