4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He doesn’t have to say anything, but there are consequences to his words and silence. To think otherwise is being obtuse. 

And for the record, you’re hyperbolizing. We don’t need to know "everything,” but if he wants to be here he should say "something.”

Guess what there’s also consequences if he talks that people twist his words and paint it out different  you seem to think it’s all sunshine and rainbows if he comes out and says he wants back. You would also be obtuse if you think it is just positivity if he says that today or it all goes away with the fan base fractured on this topic. 

again he doesn’t have to say crap. You want him to say something doesn’t mean he has too. Or that there’s not consequences either way if he talks or doesn’t talk. Where in his contract does it say he is obligated to tell Manu or fans he wants to still be here or not? I doubt he cares about the consequences of you or any other fan. That means next to nothing to him. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah the blog fan base and parts of the emb fan base are completely different then the irrational casual fan made up their mind that he’s a crybaby (from "sourced” reports) or hurts is better or they should’ve kept foles so we hate Carson and want him gone. I think Carson saying he wants back helps the people who also want Carson back more than the people who’ve already committed to moving on and would use whatever Carson said as BS and he’s being phony 

Agree.  We know there's a certain % of this fanbase that has already made up their minds for whatever reason and as you said will use "a fine tooth comb" to nitpick his words like picking pepper out of gnatshit with boxing gloves on.  But they'll do it.  It's like if someone outside your circle of friends says something nasty about you, do you really need to say anything to your friends who know you to deny it or are you just going to keep being you and not acknowledge what some outsider with an agenda has said (or in this case an insider who most of us here agree is the cancer of the team....cough....Alshon....cough). 

My only concern with Carson is whether he's going to take to what the new O coaches teach him.  Is he going to be humble and listen and learn or does he really think his gunslinger mentality is just fine?  The hope is that a new system that plays to his and the personnel's strengths and him playing within the scheme/system and that he'll be closer to the 2017 version than the 2020 version.  This is the big question concerning this team for 2021.  The one we need to see how it unfolds. 

What's that saying?  In silence consent is understood.  So him being silent to me means he wants to come back and play for the Eagles.  If he doesn't then he and his management would be doing what Stafford did and what Watson is doing.  Until that happens I'm going to figure he plans on coming back and being the QB of this team.

 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He doesn’t have to say anything, but there are consequences to his words and silence. To think otherwise is being obtuse. 

And for the record, you’re hyperbolizing. We don’t need to know "everything,” but if he wants to be here he should say "something.”

So hes screwed either way is what your saying. id take the silent route as well. Id rather them complain Im not talking then take every word I say and turn it into 20 different directions of lies for their benefit to keep their jobs with there crappy click bait articles. 

7 minutes ago, toughfighter83 said:

it's not just the fans he's speaking for, he's speaking for the players too, he's supposed to be the leader, take responsibility, willing to work with coaches, if he's not, then players will disrespect him because he's not a team player, he's all for himself. players dont want that. if he comes back and is the same player, then they will quit on him, that's why teams are bad for so long because they dont hold the leader accountable which drags the team down.

if wentz does get traded, it's not because of the fans and the front office, it's because of wentz, if he wont change and be a team leader that players respect then that's why he gets traded. the front office cant let a player like wentz drag the team down.

 

that's why foles won the sb, the team respected him for his competitiveness and accountability and willing to change when things go wrong, that's what leaders do and franchise qbs are.

And all this between him and his teammates goes on BEHIND the scenes and not in the public eye.  I'd be shocked if he hasn't had conversations with his teammates in private.  Again, this is stuff that we're not entitled to know, even though some of us think we are.  If the players settle something behind closed doors that's where it stays.  We're not a part of their locker room and it's something some of us need to accept and get over. 

 

29 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m surprised this didn’t gain more traction in here. 

Must not have been apart of whatever it was during Chip's era that we had fewer injuries

28 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Anybody want to tell him about Frank Clark or Tyreek Hill?

Hill is too much of a talent for the league to ban

25 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I was surprised during Sirianni’s PC when Eskin asked him if Wentz would be on the team in 2021, and Sirianni didn’t have an affirmative answer on that.  I guess I expected him to say "absolutely”.  I took from that reply that Wentz wasn’t as gung-ho as I would like

Hopefully they’ll keep communicating and get on the same page 

Maybe they didn't want to hurt Hurts feelings

5 minutes ago, toughfighter83 said:

it's not just the fans he's speaking for, he's speaking for the players too, he's supposed to be the leader, take responsibility, willing to work with coaches, if he's not, then players will disrespect him because he's not a team player, he's all for himself. players dont want that. if he comes back and is the same player, then they will quit on him, that's why teams are bad for so long because they dont hold the leader accountable which drags the team down.

if wentz does get traded, it's not because of the fans and the front office, it's because of wentz, if he wont change and be a team leader that players respect then that's why he gets traded. the front office cant let a player like wentz drag the team down.

 

that's why foles won the sb, the team respected him for his competitiveness and accountability and willing to change when things go wrong, that's what leaders do and franchise qbs are.

Players have been defending Wentz since the Locker room crap because of Alshon

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

There aren’t reports that he wants out of Philly.

C'mon man. You know for a fact those were opinion based articles

3 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

So hes screwed either way is what your saying. id take the silent route as well. Id rather them complain Im not talking then take every word I say and turn it into 20 different directions of lies for their benefit to keep their jobs with there crappy click bait articles. 

THIS. That’s exactly why the fans or media that want him gone are going to do with it. And the ones who are on the fence could go either way. Only ones it helps him with are the ones who truly want him back. So i could speak and get my words twisted or question where my heart is and authenticity of what i said is by the moron joe giglio, ESP and Gawton or i can keep them in the dark and feed them crap like they are mushrooms

21 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Actually, we have no idea. He obviously had a problem with Doug, has he even talked to Nick.

Give that Sirianni is a Reich protege, Wentz might be excited to play for him for all we know.

If your predecessor was idolized by your colleagues, some of your colleagues have been bad mouthing you behind your back, you were on the hotseat, you had 1-2 years to prove yourself before everyone declares you toast, and your superiors literally just announced that the rest of your department, who you depend on, would have little emphasis on success for the next 2 years during a restructuring...

Any one of us would not be able to punch our ticket out of that situation fast enough.  
 

There is a simple equation that cannot be balanced with Wentz.  He has a limited amount of time left to prove himself.  The owner/Lowie/Spadaro/you have all acknowledged that there are no aspirations of competing during that limited time frame.  
 

So you’ll dismiss it, but this Wentz salvage experiment is just a freight train headed for a cliff.

Some of y'all need to read the writing on the wall with Carson.

And quite frankly, I don't really care if he wants to be here. I'm not sure I want him here. It sounds harsh, but it is what it is I guess.

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

Some of y'all need to read the writing on the wall with Carson.

And quite frankly, I don't really care if he wants to be here. I'm not sure I want him here. It sounds harsh, but it is what it is I guess.

There is no writing on the wall.  The Eagles are not going to take the largest dead cap hit in NFL history to trade him.  That would be embarrassing for Lowie.  NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

So sad how people allow themselves to be manipulated by the lying media. 

3 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Some of y'all need to read the writing on the wall with Carson.

And quite frankly, I don't really care if he wants to be here. I'm not sure I want him here. It sounds harsh, but it is what it is I guess.

I don’t want him here.  It’s nothing personal, just as it’s not personal on his end in not wanting to be here.

Why on Earth would we want a 28 year old qb in need of salvaging with a massive albatross contract on a team with negative cap space that is rebuilding from the ground up with no signs of competing on the horizon?

He has no reason to want to be here and we have no reason to want him here.

Just now, downundermike said:

There is no writing on the wall.  The Eagles are not going to take the largest dead cap hit in NFL history to trade him.  That would be embarrassing for Lowie.  NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

Did I say the writing on the wall is that Carson won't be here?? I never said that.

Also, are we sure trading him for whatever picks we can get is worse than rostering him at the same price? Especially when we don't expect to be competitive anyway?

If the reports of Carson not being able to handle the pressure of Hurts being his backup are true, then I don’t know if we should want him here anyway. 

2 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

If the reports of Carson not being able to handle the pressure of Hurts being his backup are true, then I don’t know if we should want him here anyway. 

I don't believe that for a second.  He may be pissed that they didn't draft a player that could actually help the team, but I doubt it is pressure because a QB who was on pace to have a lower completion percentage, more turnovers and about the same amount of sacks is on the roster.

Carson's issues IMO are strictly Doug, his game planning, play calling etc, etc, etc.  Friends of mine who are fans of other teams all see the issue.  When Hawks fans up here in Washington heard about the interest in Doug, I heard everything from I would rather have Gase to rather have Darrel Bevel back.

7 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Some of y'all need to read the writing on the wall with Carson.

And quite frankly, I don't really care if he wants to be here. I'm not sure I want him here. It sounds harsh, but it is what it is I guess.

Ive said this for about a month. I’m fine either way at this point. I still believe the eagles want both him and hurts back. That’s their ideal scenario.

I’m guessing him not saying anything is either the eagles told him to keep it hush until they have a deal worked out or he really doesn’t give a flying F about the media who turned on him or the fans. 

However if he’s traded we better hope he doesn’t look like he did end of 2019 or 2017 cause you’d never hear the end of that for years  

 

The "wanting to be here” thing is overplayed by the media.  Tom Brady probably didn’t want to be in New England for the last 5 years.  I doubt Rodgers wants to be in GB right now.  

All of these franchise level qbs care about situations, legacy, money, nothing more.  Right now, we are a bad situation.  
 

This isn’t some Wentz thing, so I wouldn’t put it on him.  

8 hours ago, bpac55 said:

I used to watch the Eagles and whatever the other game on locally was plus the Sunday Night game, MNF and TNF.  I would plan Sunday around the NFL.  Watch the pregame stuff, watch the post game highlight shows.  I'm 39 and I've been an NFL fan since I was a kid.  The social justice stuff was it for me.  I stopped this year and only watched the Eagles games.  For the first time I didn't watch any other games.  Here's the thing.  I thought it would be torture and suck not watching football.  Only thing is, I didn't.  I started hobbies, hung out with people, worked on my house, did family stuff.  I didn't miss the other NFL games one bit and i have no plan to go back to my old viewing habits. 

Yes, fans will be back in the stands but do we know for sure there will be sellouts?  Will stadiums ever be allowed to sell out again?  Most likely but who knows anymore with the reality we live in.  What I can tell you is that there are A LOT of fans like myself who watched all of those games regardless of who was playing who won't be watching again.  The NFL is losing fans and they will continue to lose fans who have no desire to come back.  

It's sad because the NFL was such a great thing.  

Just spend your Sunday afternoon on RedZone for your non-Eagles watching

It's the way to go, trust me

To clarify, I think the Eagles want Carson back.

My opinion is that Carson isn't ever going to be a franchise QB. That is obvious to me at this point.

2 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

To clarify, I think the Eagles want Carson back.

My opinion is that Carson isn't ever going to be a franchise QB. That is obvious to me at this point.

Ive been of the opinion the eagles want wentz and hurts back. That’s what they are angling for. They are delusional enough to think that won’t completely boil over again. 

20 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Guess what there’s also consequences if he talks that people twist his words and paint it out different  you seem to think it’s all sunshine and rainbows if he comes out and says he wants back. You would also be obtuse if you think it is just positivity if he says that today or it all goes away with the fan base fractured on this topic. 

again he doesn’t have to say crap. You want him to say something doesn’t mean he has too. Or that there’s not consequences either way if he talks or doesn’t talk. Where in his contract does it say he is obligated to tell Manu or fans he wants to still be here or not? I doubt he cares about the consequences of you or any other fan. That means next to nothing to him. 

"I’m excited to get back to work with my teammates and help Philadelphia contend for Super Bowls again.”

That’s it. Easy. 

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I don't believe that for a second.  He may be pissed that they didn't draft a player that could actually help the team, but I doubt it is pressure because a QB who was on pace to have a lower completion percentage, more turnovers and about the same amount of sacks is on the roster.

Carson's issues IMO are strictly Doug, his game planning, play calling etc, etc, etc.  Friends of mine who are fans of other teams all see the issue.  When Hawks fans up here in Washington heard about the interest in Doug, I heard everything from I would rather have Gase to rather have Darrel Bevel back.

Agree.  They could have signed a backup FA QB instead of using the 2nd round pick where you could have drafted a player who could have helped on either side of the ball for the entire season.  Instead they put in 1-2 gadget plays/game to justify the pick where Wentz lined up as a WR on the outside.  Utterly useless and stupid.

Doug is overall a good HC who gets the players to play and fight every game, but he needs a strong staff around him to make the rest of his job much easier.  Thanks for the Lombardi, Doug, your philosophy going into the SB was brilliant, but on your own you leave me wanting.  I wish you well in future endeavours (so long as that doesn't stop the Eagles from more potential SB wins), but without strong coaches at your side you simply lost the plot.

 

2 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

Agree.  They could have signed a backup FA QB instead of using the 2nd round pick where you could have drafted a player who could have helped on either side of the ball for the entire season.  Instead they put in 1-2 gadget plays/game to justify the pick where Wentz lined up as a WR on the outside.  Utterly useless and stupid.

 

 

We didn’t have the $10m available that is necessary to sign a backup qb in this league.  So we had to draft one.  And a backup qb with the theoretical chance to start is great value in round 2.

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

"I’m excited to get back to work with my teammates and help Philadelphia contend for Super Bowls again.”

That’s it. Easy. 

Again then you still have people who would say that was fake and don’t believe him. And why did it take him so long to say it and why didn’t he elaborate more about why it took him so long to talk. Or question that a true leader would’ve said this immediately after the season. And so on and so forth  

You seem to again think that’s not gonna happen. IT WILL. Again it isn’t going to be all rainbows and sunshine like you think when he gives that statement. It never is in philly. 

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

We didn’t have the $10m available that is necessary to sign a backup qb in this league.

Only 18 QB's had a cap number of more than 10 million last year.  Only 26 had a cap number over 7 million.

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2020/

I am going to start pointing these things out and tag the post  "Another easily researched not thought out response"

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

We didn’t have the $10m available that is necessary to sign a backup qb in this league.  So we had to draft one.  And a backup qb with the theoretical chance to start is great value in round 2.

 

We didn't need to sign anyone.  We had Sudfield as backup and Doug and the organization thought so highly of him that he though he deserved a shot the last game.