Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Ideally want the 3rd and 5th. However even if i just got a third i could always trade back and get more picks out of it. It really sucks we traded a 4th to acquire Avery last year. It really sucks cause it’s a high 4th. 

yup, the 6th pick in the 4th round could/should be a contributing player.  Could be a nice running back or interior lineman.  Instead it's Avery who probably doesn't even make the team.

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

Trading Darius Slay is absolutely insane. I understand your rationale, but legitimately good corners don't grow on trees.

That’s also a reason to trade him to a contender that needs a CB. 

5 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

Any word on Dak, and is he supposed to be 100% by game 1?  That was a pretty nasty injury and I can’t see the Cowboys putting the franchise tag on him again, with the numbers at 37 million, that’s a fortune if he isn’t all in for the season. 

https://heavy.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/tad-prescott-dak-contract-years-goff-wentz/

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

yup, the 6th pick in the 4th round could/should be a contributing player.  Could be a nice running back or interior lineman.  Instead it's Avery who probably doesn't even make the team.

Even worse he’s a FA so likely gone as he wasn’t used and new scheme 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

That’s also a reason to trade him to a contender that needs a CB. 

Sure, trade a top 10 player at his position for a lottery ticket in the 4th round...

5 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Trading Darius Slay is absolutely insane. I understand your rationale, but legitimately good corners don't grow on trees.

Why is it insane?  30 year old corner on a 4 win team who needs young talent.  He's not a part of the plans.  They can even let him walk next year if they want.

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

Sure, trade a top 10 player at his position for a lottery ticket in the 4th round...

In an ideal world the eagles wouldn’t be trading him. However if you aren’t going to be a legit contender then you are paying him big money and wasting his prime years he has left. By the time the eagles complete the rebuild by 2023 you likely have a 32 year old corner on the decline eating up a large cap number. 

i tend to believe a contending team on the brink who needs a corner would be willing to part with a third especially if it’s mid to late. I think 4th would mean his market and what the league thinks about him isn’t what we do. 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

In an ideal world the eagles wouldn’t be trading him. However if you aren’t going to be a legit contender then you are paying him big money and wasting his prime years he has left. By the time the eagles complete the rebuild by 2023 you likely have a 32 year old corner on the decline eating up a large cap number. 

i tend to believe a contending team on the brink who needs a corner would be willing to part with a third especially if it’s mid to late. I think 4th would mean his market and what the league thinks about him isn’t what we do. 

This is a year to year league. Perfectly fair to not have high expectations for 2021. But trading/cutting every good veteran assuming 2022 is gonna suck too isn't the answer.

Now if you're giving me real value for Slay (such as a late 2nd or a really favorable pick swap), then I say go for it. But a late 3rd or 4th? That's a hell no from me.

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

This is a year to year league. Perfectly fair to not have high expectations for 2021. But trading every good veteran assuming 2022 is gonna suck too isn't the answer.

Now if you're giving me real value for Slay (such as a low 2nd or a really favorable pick swap), then I say go for it. But a late 3rd or 4th? That's a hell no from me.

Sadly, the terrible Avery trade and the fact that he probably walks makes it imperative IMO to recoup that 4th rounder they wasted on him.  Ideally you want to get the investment made back from Slay but if a team offers a 4th and a 6th I have to consider it.

Agree that it's year to year but what's going to make this team a good team is going to be the quarterback play and offensive play calling.  Losing Slay won't hurt as much as you think.

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

This is a year to year league. Perfectly fair to not have high expectations for 2021. But trading/cutting every good veteran assuming 2022 is gonna suck too isn't the answer.

Now if you're giving me real value for Slay (such as a low 2nd or a really favorable pick swap), then I say go for it. But a late 3rd or 4th? That's a hell no from me.

The eagles traded a 3rd and 5th for slay. So when was he ever worthy of a 2nd? How are they going to get someone to flip a second when he’s a year older now, had some nagging injuries during the course of this year, a concussion and they redid his contract at the time of the trade. 

it is a year to year league usually when you have a good amount of young players to build around. The Eagles do not have that. The Eagles are in a two-year at least rebuild considering the fact they’ve done such a poor job drafting over the last 2 to 3 years. Additionally you don’t have to trade  every single one but you probably should take the long view of trading a guy who when the eagles are ready to be legit contenders again is declining making big money. 

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I don’t believe so.  I know the cap hit after the 3rd day is worse.  But they might have to eat that in order to get the right deal.  Otherwise the acquiring team would need to eat the extra $.  I actually believe it will happen after the 3 day window.   

Possible. I still think the eagles at that point are less likely to deal him since i believe it also hurts them more in 2022 cap than just 2021 doing so after. 

frankly I still think the Eagles want to in an ideal world bring back hurts and wentz. And I think they are delusional enough to view it as not being a problem.  

The Avery trade was bad and completely not worth it but it’s not that hard to recoup it with a trade back in the 1st or 2nd. You could move back 5 or so spots in the second and pick up a 4th in doing so. Colts moved from 41 to 44 last year and picked up the 12th pick in the 5th round. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The Avery trade was bad and completely not worth it but it’s not that hard to recoup it with a trade back in the 1st or 2nd. You could move back 5 or so spots in the second and pick up a 4th in doing so. Colts moved from 41 to 44 last year and picked up the 12th pick in the 5th round. 

True but it just pisses me off that they traded away fourth for a guy they couldn’t figure out how to use properly for a season and a half. The cherry on top of that crap Sundae is the fact that the fourth round pick is actually a high fourth round pick and I don’t think they were expecting that

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I don’t believe so.  I know the cap hit after the 3rd day is worse.  But they might have to eat that in order to get the right deal.  Otherwise the acquiring team would need to eat the extra $.  I actually believe it will happen after the 3 day window.   

They would have to take on $10M more in dead money to do that trade and it’s not a savings anymore, it’s adding to the cap. Unless they get blown away it’s not worth it. If Carson wants out so bad he can indefinitely suspend that bonus until he’s traded. 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I would be willing to bet they don’t trade him until after the 3rd day.  

Are we under the assumption they actually trade him? Because I think the Eagles are dumb enough off to believe they can bring back both wentz and hurts and see nothing wrong with it. Unless wentz forces the issue I think the Eagles are content with bringing both of them back 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

True but it just pisses me off that they traded away fourth for a guy they couldn’t figure out how to use properly for a season and a half. The cherry on top of that crap Sundae is the fact that the fourth round pick is actually a high fourth round pick and I don’t think they were expecting that

Yea, I’m not trying to minimize it or shift blame off Howie like a certain poster would. The situation sucks for sure and was a big miss. 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea, I’m not trying to minimize it or shift blame off Howie like a certain poster would. The situation sucks for sure and was a big miss. 

Even at the time of the trade it didn’t make sense to me. He had a good rookie season and then that year he got bench. New regime and browns reporters said he didn’t look good. they overpaid. I’m doubting anyone was offering close to what the eagles offered for someone the browns were phasing out and bench/deactivated for 6 games his second year after a solid rookie season. I know there was some idiotic spin saying all several teams were interested but I feel like the Eagles leak that out there to make it look better than what it was.

No one was expecting pro bowl talent in the fourth round. However that trade since you made it midseason really didn’t help you cause the eagles were horrible at incorporating his talent and he didn’t know the playbook well enough to really help you. So the 2.5 years is really 2 years. And his first offseason was a pandemic so you didn’t even get him in here to help for year 2. Say well the eagles couldn’t predicted that well they could’ve predicted that. Fine. Reasonable however they could’ve predicted he wasn’t worth a 4th rounder for basically 2 seasons due to the fact he was way behind and it is always a challenge to incorporate and learn the playbook when acquired. On top of that the browns benched and deactivated him for 6 of their 8 games. Meanwhile a normal 4th rounder who isn’t likely going to be great  but you hope for someone like sweat, the eagles would’ve had 4 offseason to build with him ands 4 years to build and incorporate him. Kind of like how year 3 sweat began to flourish. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Are we under the assumption they actually trade him? Because I think the Eagles are dumb enough off to believe they can bring back both wentz and hurts and see nothing wrong with it. Unless wentz forces the issue I think the Eagles are content with bringing both of them back 

I’d bet the Eagles are dumb enough to try to bring back Wentz, Hurts and draft a QB at 6. 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

I’d bet the Eagles are dumb enough to try to bring back Wentz, Hurts and draft a QB at 6. 

the QB factory in full swing. Talk about a volatile situation for a rookie head coach. 

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Of course it’s all under the assumption he gets traded. 

I’d put it at like 65% both are back, 34% wentz is traded and 1% hurts (I just don’t see them trading Hurts unless somebody severely overpays and I don’t see that happening)

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I wonder if Howie and Lurie celebrated with a bro hug and a 30 min recap, after that trade.   

I imagine it was like this 

 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I wouldn’t.  I would put it at 75% chance Wentz is traded.  10% Both are back.  And 5% We trade Wentz AND move up to get a QB in this draft.   

i hope they don’t move up to get a QB in this draft. However i can totally see them falling in love with Wilson and if they deal wentz thinking they hope to never be this high again and deal up to 2 to get Wilson. 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Go up to 2 to get Wilson, when they could have gotten him at 3.  And honestly, Lawrence would be the only one I would trade up for.  Just going to 1 would cost a lot and Jax ain’t going for that that.  

Would be an eagles thing to do. I think going to 2 or 3 would be in play if they wanted a QB. I’m guessing they are competing with the lions, Carolina and Denver moving up. Possibly atlanta even though they said they are committed to Ryan. Maybe that’s a smokescreen.

I think the price isn’t going to be worth it for anyone after Lawrence. Like you said i don’t think anyone of them are worthy of trading up for. The jags aren’t dealing 1. To me I’d sit at 6 and if one falls to me I’d consider it if they truly love one of them. Otherwise I’m more in favor of trading back. This team needs so many pieces and more picks. It’s why I’m for dealing someone like slay. 

Bold strategy cotton let’s see if it pays off 

 

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Or this!!!!!   Hmmmmm!   

Hard to imagine it being worse for the Texans then when Bill O’Brien was in charge but they somehow managed to do that. 

41 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The Avery trade was bad and completely not worth it but it’s not that hard to recoup it with a trade back in the 1st or 2nd. You could move back 5 or so spots in the second and pick up a 4th in doing so. Colts moved from 41 to 44 last year and picked up the 12th pick in the 5th round. 

Common sense. People getting all worked up over a 4th round pick for Avery is what I'm talking about where people get way over the top negative. It didn't work out, and I would obviously prefer the 4th round pick right now. However, at the time they gave up a fourth round pick two years down the line for a young 5th round pick coming off a 4.5 sack rookie season. They thought they could develop him into a player and it didn't work out. The chances of him working out were about the same as the 4th round pick this year working out. It just so happens that everyone has the benefit of hindsight with Avery, and all of a sudden the Eagles were going to get an all-pro with that 4th. It's laughable and predictable.