For everyone pissed about Avery...what about Thorson who isn’t even on the roster. Not only do J Off Loser Roseman’s picks not contribute, most aren’t even on the roster...Aka Shareef Miller + many many more.

Hopefully when they are searching for a new coach in 2-3 years, Loseman isn’t heading his 5th search.

This team isn’t getting a GD PENNY from me until he’s gone.

I had season tickets for years, went to all the playoff games, SB, you name it.

Not going to support this franchise with any $ with them pissing in our faces and telling us it’s raining (Luries Presser).

0 accountability.

Talks about everyone’s favorite tight end Kyle pitts

 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I wouldn’t.  I would put it at 75% chance Wentz is traded.  10% Both are back.  And 5% We trade Wentz AND move up to get a QB in this draft.   

IMO, 85% both back, 10% Wentz traded, 5% Hurts traded.

Despite the fact that Wentz is more likely to be traded than Hurts, he's also much more likely to be the starting qb than Hurts.

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Talks about everyone’s favorite tight end Kyle pitts

 

he’s a Larry Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson WR/H-Back 

45 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Common sense. People getting all worked up over a 4th round pick for Avery is what I'm talking about where people get way over the top negative. It didn't work out, and I would obviously prefer the 4th round pick right now. However, at the time they gave up a fourth round pick two years down the line for a young 5th round pick coming off a 4.5 sack rookie season. They thought they could develop him into a player and it didn't work out. The chances of him working out were about the same as the 4th round pick this year working out. It just so happens that everyone has the benefit of hindsight with Avery, and all of a sudden the Eagles were going to get an all-pro with that 4th. It's laughable and predictable.

Trading a draft pick 1 round higher than where someone went when they could not dress for the Browns (back when they were the typical Browns) is horrendous value.

Avery couldn't dress for the Browns and then he couldn't dress for us.

12 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep. No doubt.  But this guy seems out of his depth.  Like big time.   And I don’t trust Lowie to make the right hire.  Not after 10 interviews and that was who they keyed on?  I think he’s the one that said YES to all that they wanted.   They wanted a puppet.  

You base that off an initial press conference? Lol, cmon man. The dude was on vacation with his family in FL when he interviewed. He hasn’t even met any players in person yet. What were you expecting? An in depth analysis of each player?  I was expecting a prepared remark vague Q and A session. It’s exactly what we got. 

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

IMO, 85% both back, 10% Wentz traded, 5% Hurts traded.

Despite the fact that Wentz is more likely to be traded than Hurts, he's also much more likely to be the starting qb than Hurts.

This sounds about right to me. I think there is interest from other teams for Wentz but with so many available QB’s in trade + 4 decent draft prospects the return doesn’t get close enough to move the needle to take the big dead money hit. They also won’t want to cut bait and take less than a 2nd after one year and won’t get any offers for more. Both come back, controversy and messiness ensues. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This sounds about right to me. I think there is interest from other teams for Wentz but with so many available QB’s in trade + 4 decent draft prospects the return doesn’t get close enough to move the needle to take the big dead money hit. They also won’t want to cut bait and take less than a 2nd after one year and won’t get any offers for more. Both come back, controversy and messiness ensues. 

After Hurts’ comments today, he needs to get traded.  Can’t have him coming into camp thinking he’s the starter.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

After Hurts’ comments today, he needs to get traded.  Can’t have him coming into camp thinking he’s the starter.

Take logic with a big grain of salt for right now. I’m fairly confident with how things unfolded Lurie thought he would be able to bring Doug and Carson back together. There’s no doubt in my mind that he and Howie think they can bring Wentz and Hurts back next year. 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Take logic with a big grain of salt for right now. I’m fairly confident with how things unfolded Lurie thought he would be able to bring Doug and Carson back together. There’s no doubt in my mind that he and Howie think they can bring Wentz and Hurts back next year. 

To me, the only thing Hurts brought to the table is the willingness to be a team guy and know his role.  I’m all for someone wanting to compete for the job — every professional should be geared that way, but when he gets asked who is the starting QB, and instead of saying it’s the guy with 5 years in the league where you have 4 games, he says "that’s a great question” twice?  
 

That doesn’t wash for me.

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

Common sense. People getting all worked up over a 4th round pick for Avery is what I'm talking about where people get way over the top negative. It didn't work out, and I would obviously prefer the 4th round pick right now. However, at the time they gave up a fourth round pick two years down the line for a young 5th round pick coming off a 4.5 sack rookie season. They thought they could develop him into a player and it didn't work out. The chances of him working out were about the same as the 4th round pick this year working out. It just so happens that everyone has the benefit of hindsight with Avery, and all of a sudden the Eagles were going to get an all-pro with that 4th. It's laughable and predictable.

That trade was almost certainly driven by Schwartz - he has always like "fastballs" on passing downs, and I seriously doubt Howie would make that trade on his own.

Problem was once Schwartz got him, he couldn't figure out how to use him, "Elephant", pass rushing LB, wide 9, obviously not a base defense guy.

Coaches make mistakes, Stoutland lobbied for Warmack for example.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

To me, the only thing Hurts brought to the table is the willingness to be a team guy and know his role.  I’m all for someone wanting to compete for the job — every professional should be geared that way, but when he gets asked who is the starting QB, and instead of saying it’s the guy with 5 years in the league where you have 4 games, he says "that’s a great question” twice?  
 

That doesn’t wash for me.

You want him to say he’s the back up? lol. He ended the year as the starter, and the new coach hasn’t committed to any QB. The coach even went as far as to say every position was open. I don’t have a problem with Hurts saying he’s going to work as hard as he can to be the guy. Wentz shouldn’t either. 

6 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

You want him to say he’s the back up? lol. He ended the year as the starter, and the new coach hasn’t committed to any QB. The coach even went as far as to say every position was open. I don’t have a problem with Hurts saying he’s going to work as hard as he can to be the guy. Wentz shouldn’t either. 

Should have said he would come to camp, work hard, and let the coach decide — he didn’t.  

26 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

After Hurts’ comments today, he needs to get traded.  Can’t have him coming into camp thinking he’s the starter.

 

16 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

To me, the only thing Hurts brought to the table is the willingness to be a team guy and know his role.  I’m all for someone wanting to compete for the job — every professional should be geared that way, but when he gets asked who is the starting QB, and instead of saying it’s the guy with 5 years in the league where you have 4 games, he says "that’s a great question” twice?  
 

That doesn’t wash for me.

If you have a backup that DOESN’T want to be the starter, that’s more concerning to me. Coach has said every position is a competition. I think Jalen answered just fine.  If he answered that saying "Carson should be the starter” I’d want him gone immediately cause the dude doesn’t actually have the balls to compete for that spot. 

Meh, people take coach speak too seriously. Sirianni knows what Wentz can do, he studied Eagles film from 2017 with Reich. And he'll soon see what Hurts can't do. But when you come in new, you tread carefully until you have the lay of the land. After he's a had a month or so to study film with his coaches, Siri will get together with Howie, and we'll know how he feels about players when they're waived or traded.

This "puppet" nonsense is just silly, look at Smith's resume then look at Sirianni, now tell me what makes Smith the better HC candidate.

Lowie feel in love with Siri for probably the same reason Lurie fell in love with AR, you interview a bunch of guys and it's obvious they don't really have a game plan as HC, to interview for that long, Siri had to have a list and a plan, how he'd conduct a rebuild, who he'd hire as his coordinators and assistant coaches, etc. And what we've seen since he was hired is he's put together a staff as good or better than any of the other new HCs, the hotest DC, a bunch of assistants with good reputations, and so on. Will it work?  Who knows?

Anyone who believes that a newly minted HC is going to have personnel control simply doesn't follow the NFL, you get that kind of power by winning, either with your current team or with a resume as long as your arm. But HCs always get input, and coordinators and assistant coaches give their 2 cents for the draft board (Stoutland lobbied for Mailata, and probably for Driscoll, when they line up OL I'm sure they ask him to look at film and see how he thinks he can coach up). What you want from the coaching staff is a coherent vision of the kind of players they're looking for, example, Gannon:

Gannon did, however, consistently find ways to make the most out of the players he was tasked with coaching, turning Temple second-round pick Rock-Ya Sin into a legitimate starter on the outside, Rhodes into a serviceable option across from him a year removed from looking washed in Minnesota, and Kenny Moore into one of the best nickels in the entire NFL. What do Sin, Rhodes, and other outside cornerbacks Gannon has coached like Pierre Desir and Quincy Wilson have in common? Well, they are all quicker than fast, have long arms, and measure in at 6-foot-1 or taller.

It's a lot easier to set up a draft board when you know the kind of players your coaches want at each position - I got the feeling that there was a lot of confusion about what the coaches wanted under Doug, I mean how do you draft JJAW one year then Reagor a couple years later? 

If I'm Fulgham and JJAW, I look at Zach Pascal, UDFA out of Old Dominion, 6'2 214, 4.55 and Michael Pittman #34, 6-4 223, 4.52  and think there's an opportunity here. Sirianni got good production out of two big WRs with average speed.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Trading a draft pick 1 round higher than where someone went when they could not dress for the Browns (back when they were the typical Browns) is horrendous value.

Avery couldn't dress for the Browns and then he couldn't dress for us.

Revisionist history. He was a fifth round pick in 2018. He had 4.5 sacks and 39 tackles as a rookie. In 2019 they brought in a new coaching staff and he was no longer a fit in their defense. Had he done nothing as a rookie you would have a point, but you conveniently leave out the fact that he was productive and showed a lot of potential for a rookie 5th round pick. Ultimately the move didn't work out for the Eagles but anyone trashing it is doing so with revisionist history and 20/20 hindsight at their benefit.

59 minutes ago, austinfan said:

That trade was almost certainly driven by Schwartz - he has always like "fastballs" on passing downs, and I seriously doubt Howie would make that trade on his own.

Problem was once Schwartz got him, he couldn't figure out how to use him, "Elephant", pass rushing LB, wide 9, obviously not a base defense guy.

Coaches make mistakes, Stoutland lobbied for Warmack for example.

Yep. They took a shot on a guy who had 4.5 sacks and 39 tackles as a rookie for a stinkin fourth round pick and it didn't work out. Everyone crying over it is exposing themselves. Apparently the Eagles would have drafted a sure fire all-pro with that fourth round pick in April as opposed to another Shareef Miller or Donnel Pumphrey.

9 hours ago, T-1000 said:

The Eagles won the Super Bowl in 2017. They have made the playoffs three out of the last five seasons. They are the 6th winningest franchise in the NFL over the last 20 years. Listening to the way the majority of fans and media talk about this team you would think they were the Jaguars or something. It's getting to ridiculous levels.

We try harder

Let’s face it, if CW was playing close to 2017 level there would be far less anxiety because you need a franchise QB to have any skin in the game. Making it just into the playoffs just guarantees you later in the round draft picks and a tougher schedule. So SB or bust. A lot of draft and salary capital invested in what appeared to be 2nd string level QB play and we want to digest it. Was it poor coaching ? Has the injury curtailed his career ? Reports of CW being difficult to coach, are they true ? Let’s hope it was the coaching and Lowie, they made that change to determine which it is ... maybe. Hard to believe that Wentz and DP butted heads being cut from the same cloth being ultra Christian and all. I would guess it would be very hard to get on DP’s bad side. Anyways the jury’s out and we’ll see. We can blame Lowie after the fact, call it buyer’s remorse

19 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

Let’s face it, if CW was playing close to 2017 level there would be far less anxiety because you need a franchise QB to have any skin in the game. Making it just into the playoffs just guarantees you later in the round draft picks and a tougher schedule. So SB or bust. A lot of draft and salary capital invested in what appeared to be 2nd string level QB play and we want to digest it. Was it poor coaching ? Has the injury curtailed his career ? Reports of CW being difficult to coach, are they true ? Let’s hope it was the coaching and Lowie, they made that change to determine which it is ... maybe. Hard to believe that Wentz and DP butted heads being cut from the same cloth being ultra Christian and all. I would guess it would be very hard to get on DP’s bad side. Anyways the jury’s out and we’ll see. We can blame Lowie after the fact, call it buyer’s remorse

The problem is we just keep hearing more and more reports about how Carson is unhappy. He wasn't happy with Doug so Doug got fired, now apparently he still isn't happy with the new coaching hires and it is believed he wants assurances that he is the starter? He wasn't happy that he was benched which just goes to show the lack of accountability he is willing to accept for the part he played in a poor season. Now we don't know how many of these reports are true, they could all be fake news and click bait but at some point I think we have to stop ignoring the smoke. At this point what are we hoping out of Wentz? I mean realistically that is. That he can turn things around and be a top 10-15 QB? That isn't going to be enough to make this team contenders, certainly not in the next couple of years.

10 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

Royce Gracie...living testament.  Bruce Lee was a machine on the other hand. 

Yes, but he only weighed around 130 lbs and stood at 5'7"

13 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Does the Ignore function really improve the experience?  I've been on these boards from the beginning and never tried it.  I can think of a few posters to try it out on now.

YES!!!!

14 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Agreed. Why did it take him over 5 minutes to even first really mention Sirianni? Why did he feel the need to give this big speech about Duce when he didn't give Duce a fair crack at the job. 

How the hell do you know this?

14 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

The problem Carson, and many have, is that when they utilise the socials for their own brand and causes they want to promote, they open themselves to scrutiny when they go silent all of a sudden and something like a new coach hire happens.  Perhaps if you are a team leader/Alpha, then the expectations and perceptions of them are higher.  Carson can't win but I'd think, an external acknowledgement with a caveat such as breaking my silence to welcome Coach Sirianni to the Eagles, before going dark is a better way to go than saying nothing.

But so be it.  It doesn't bother me either way in all honesty.

Well maybe, just maybe, he welcomed him when they spoke in person.

13 hours ago, ManuManu said:

No, people also complained that he and Howie left Sirianni out there to answer for them. I believe the term was puppet. 

You mean answer questions for them?

8 minutes ago, greend said:

How the hell do you know this?

Cue "well bud, reports said....so where there is smoke, there must be fire" followed by "I can have an opinion, can't I.".

5 hours ago, T-1000 said:

Revisionist history. He was a fifth round pick in 2018. He had 4.5 sacks and 39 tackles as a rookie. In 2019 they brought in a new coaching staff and he was no longer a fit in their defense. Had he done nothing as a rookie you would have a point, but you conveniently leave out the fact that he was productive and showed a lot of potential for a rookie 5th round pick. Ultimately the move didn't work out for the Eagles but anyone trashing it is doing so with revisionist history and 20/20 hindsight at their benefit.

I posted that verbatim when they made the trade.