On another note, be thankful that Carson is keeping his voice private if hes upset. All those SOB's including a bunch of you pansy asses just wanting him to be a ass and speak out with  tweeter bashing etc. All you losers are just drama queens looking for the next story line. 

Good for Carson being a real man and doing it the right way and telling the rest of you to suck his big fat one with his silence. :)

28 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

What do we consider a contender?  Winning the NFC East with 8-9 wins?  I wouldn't be surprised if they put together a decent season.  So much depends on Carson.  I still think they are in rebuild mode.  Of course we'll have a better idea after the draft and FA to see what the actual team is going to look like.

Get into the playoffs and play well

14 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I wish i could remember the podcast that discussed that maybe it was how the team was preparing under doug that was causing the injuries. I want to say it was mosher and caplan who had a podcast where they brought it up. Reason was the eagles kept doing all these things but the same common factor was how they prepared for the season with doug. 

It's also getting noticed on a national level.  I saw Howie Long talk about it on Colin Cowturd a few weeks back.  That is usually ignored from the national talking heads, but he put it out there and questioned what the hell these coaches were doing to prepare the team for the season.  

1 minute ago, greend said:

Get into the playoffs and play well

I think the Skins are the top team in the NFCE this year.  If they are smart they will realize they have a window of 2-3 years.  They are loaded with young talent but they are all going to need new contracts over the next few years.  They would be wise to get a solid veteran QB that can help win games but also not give away games.  

Just a quick look at FA QB's and Tyrod Taylor and Jacoby Brissett could be good options for them.  Maybe they go the Trubisky direction thinking they can get the best out of hm.

What the Eagles should hope for is they make a run for Dak and pay him top dollar.  The more money they dump in quarterback, the less they have to spread around to upcoming FA and guys looking for extensions.

Josh Dobbs is an intriguing player IMO.  He's the perfect backup quarterback.  Signing a guy like him rather than drafting Hurts would be so much better.

9 hours ago, austinfan said:

Meh, people take coach speak too seriously. Sirianni knows what Wentz can do, he studied Eagles film from 2017 with Reich. And he'll soon see what Hurts can't do. But when you come in new, you tread carefully until you have the lay of the land. After he's a had a month or so to study film with his coaches, Siri will get together with Howie, and we'll know how he feels about players when they're waived or traded.

This "puppet" nonsense is just silly, look at Smith's resume then look at Sirianni, now tell me what makes Smith the better HC candidate.

Lowie feel in love with Siri for probably the same reason Lurie fell in love with AR, you interview a bunch of guys and it's obvious they don't really have a game plan as HC, to interview for that long, Siri had to have a list and a plan, how he'd conduct a rebuild, who he'd hire as his coordinators and assistant coaches, etc. And what we've seen since he was hired is he's put together a staff as good or better than any of the other new HCs, the hotest DC, a bunch of assistants with good reputations, and so on. Will it work?  Who knows?

Anyone who believes that a newly minted HC is going to have personnel control simply doesn't follow the NFL, you get that kind of power by winning, either with your current team or with a resume as long as your arm. But HCs always get input, and coordinators and assistant coaches give their 2 cents for the draft board (Stoutland lobbied for Mailata, and probably for Driscoll, when they line up OL I'm sure they ask him to look at film and see how he thinks he can coach up). What you want from the coaching staff is a coherent vision of the kind of players they're looking for, example, Gannon:

Gannon did, however, consistently find ways to make the most out of the players he was tasked with coaching, turning Temple second-round pick Rock-Ya Sin into a legitimate starter on the outside, Rhodes into a serviceable option across from him a year removed from looking washed in Minnesota, and Kenny Moore into one of the best nickels in the entire NFL. What do Sin, Rhodes, and other outside cornerbacks Gannon has coached like Pierre Desir and Quincy Wilson have in common? Well, they are all quicker than fast, have long arms, and measure in at 6-foot-1 or taller.

It's a lot easier to set up a draft board when you know the kind of players your coaches want at each position - I got the feeling that there was a lot of confusion about what the coaches wanted under Doug, I mean how do you draft JJAW one year then Reagor a couple years later? 

If I'm Fulgham and JJAW, I look at Zach Pascal, UDFA out of Old Dominion, 6'2 214, 4.55 and Michael Pittman #34, 6-4 223, 4.52  and think there's an opportunity here. Sirianni got good production out of two big WRs with average speed.

That a second-rounder starts should be the expectation, not evidence of merit.

Of course, with the Eagles having any draft pick start is considered a bonus.

9 hours ago, austinfan said:

That trade was almost certainly driven by Schwartz - he has always like "fastballs" on passing downs, and I seriously doubt Howie would make that trade on his own.

Problem was once Schwartz got him, he couldn't figure out how to use him, "Elephant", pass rushing LB, wide 9, obviously not a base defense guy.

Coaches make mistakes, Stoutland lobbied for Warmack for example.

You have no evidence for this. You made the same claim regarding M. Smith and absolved Howie of blame.

3 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Someone who spoke better and was more prepared given they waited a week to let him talk.  And he was the 10th interview they did before they settled on him.  Listen, I hope he does well obviously.   But it’s a truly uninspiring hire and don’t think for one second the players can’t read that.   A coach doesn’t have to meet with the players to come off looking like a good leader.   Lowie has screwed everything up the past few years.  This won’t be any different.   

What's wrong with being the 10th interview? All that says is they didn't rush to hire a media darling. And last cycle, McAdoo and Gase were the media darlings. How did they do?

Lurie was waiting for someone to blow away his interview, i.e., someone who came in with the "answers," that is, someone with not just a vision and a line of bull, but detailed answers to key questions, his schemes, his plan for rebuilding, his top candidates for assistant jobs, etc., and just as important, the reasoning behind those decisions.

The one thing I really like so far is that Siri seems to have a consistent vision, he's hired a staff with a reputation for teaching technique and fundamentals, something this team definitely lacked last season, and what you need when you're buried in cap hell and have to build with draft picks, UDFAs and SFAs.

I'm just waiting for the first moves to be made, for example, there are few DBs on this roster who seem to fit what Gannon likes.

1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

You have no evidence for this. You made the same claim regarding M. Smith and absolved Howie of blame.

This is Schwartz's MO, the kind of 3rd down pass rusher he likes to rotate in (see Kearse and all the athletic undersized DEs like Toohill we've brought in).

Howie covets draft picks, I doubt he's using one up on a whim and dumping a player on his DC.

Genard Avery can play. His highest snap count of the year was 24 (Dallas) because Barnett/Sweat were hurt.

When they finally used him in a creative role against SF, he had 1 sack and 5! QB hits. Of course, Schwartz then decided to line him up as a EDGE and ask him to win 1 on 1. The coaching staff had no idea how to disguise and use creative blitzes. We'll see how Gannon uses him.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

This is Schwartz's MO, the kind of 3rd down pass rusher he likes to rotate in (see Kearse and all the athletic undersized DEs like Toohill we've brought in).

Howie covets draft picks, I doubt he's using one up on a whim and dumping a player on his DC.

Howie is still responsible ultimately for the descision.

Recently, Howie has been spending draft picks like a drunken sailor spends money in a **** house.

Carson is our next Rocky. Getting beat down, made fun of, bashed by his so called Eagles fans. But in his private, silent ring he is building his strength. He fighting back and preparing for greatness once again, lol

11 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I think the Skins are the top team in the NFCE this year.  If they are smart they will realize they have a window of 2-3 years.  They are loaded with young talent but they are all going to need new contracts over the next few years.  They would be wise to get a solid veteran QB that can help win games but also not give away games.  

Just a quick look at FA QB's and Tyrod Taylor and Jacoby Brissett could be good options for them.  Maybe they go the Trubisky direction thinking they can get the best out of hm.

What the Eagles should hope for is they make a run for Dak and pay him top dollar.  The more money they dump in quarterback, the less they have to spread around to upcoming FA and guys looking for extensions.

Josh Dobbs is an intriguing player IMO.  He's the perfect backup quarterback.  Signing a guy like him rather than drafting Hurts would be so much better.

Josh Dobbs? Might as well bring Sudfeld back. This is a guy traded to Jax for a 5th who couldn't get a look-see snap with a terrible team and was then waived after the 2019 season.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Dude, you lack any credibility in here.  You should know that by now.  Lurie was waiting for someone to blow him away with the word YES.  As in YES, I will be a players coach, YES I will allow your Mini Me Accountant destroy my career....ETC.  Nick Siriani blew NO ONE away.  Give us all a break.  JMCD would have been the more qualified candidate but people didn't like him for multiple reasons.  Fact is, if they hired him you would be in here blowing the same smoke.  Siriani is a rah rah "LET'S GO" guy and that's what Lurie wants.  He doesn't want a strong voice to challenge him and his minion, which is what Doug started to do and that's why he's gone.  

Why would Lurie want that? He's got a billion dollar investment. This kind of "Q" conspiracy thinking is what destroys a poster's credibility. Lurie has gone through 4 HCs, and he knows which one was the most successful and why.

McDaniels is a loose cannon, which is why the whole league was wary of him, no one doubts his offensive acumen, but he's got serious problems in terms of ego and leadership.

Other than Meyers (who shouldn't have it), what coaching candidate has the pull to ask and receive control over personnel? The only coaches who get that kind of power are proven commodities, like Carroll or Belichick. So it didn't matter if they hired Smith or some other "hot" candidate, they weren't going to have personnel control, even McDaniels made lip service to that (after Denver, he has to).

Sirianni is the furthest from a "rah rah" guy, he didn't go into his press conference with the "we'll bite their kneecaps" speech.

https://www.tmz.com/2021/01/21/dan-campbell-detroit-lions-nfl-press-conference-knee-caps/

Doug is gone because he was incompetent, he had no plan to replace the coaches he lost, he tried to turn a classic pocket QB into a RPO QB, he tried to develop a quick strike offense with raw WRs and no OL. Doug didn't have a strong voice, he didn't have any voice by the end (well, Doug, what is your plan for 2021? Buy me some more aging veterans).

31 minutes ago, hputenis said:

It's also getting noticed on a national level.  I saw Howie Long talk about it on Colin Cowturd a few weeks back.  That is usually ignored from the national talking heads, but he put it out there and questioned what the hell these coaches were doing to prepare the team for the season.  

The funny thing is that Doug was here with AR in his early years when he'd beat the team to death in training camp.

1 hour ago, Khani1 said:

I guess Trey Burton would be a nice back up also but he is soft as a pillow.  He was scared to play the Eagles in a playoff game as a Bear because it brought back memories of the Super Bowl run and made him anxious.  He also has a lot of soft injuries he does not seem to play through.  But if he is cheap, I guess he wouldn't be a bad option.

Richard Rodgers isn’t the epitome of health either. In three years here he only played in 22 games out of a possible 48.

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Get the F out of here with trying to score political points.  You refuse to recognize what Lowie has done to this team since winning the SB.  Until you are able to come to terms with what most of us are seeing, than you'll continue to be ridiculed in here.  And it's not just me.  The more Lurie thinks he knows, the worse it gets.  Until he backs away and replaces Howie with a real football man at GM instead of a bean counter, this team will continue to flounder.  But you go ahead and defend Howie at every turn.  All the bad draft picks are someone else's fault........

Well the other teams took the guys we wanted ahead of us so we can start by blaming them. It's just not fair. I told my mommy, she will do something soon 

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Sure, and trading for Tate was Doug’s call too. Your defense of Howie is absurd. 

I'm sure it was, Howie has always deferred to his football people, question has been which football people. But you don't bring in guys like Douglas and Wiedl if you think you know it all.

Since the SB, there have been numerous moves that screamed coaches' lobbying for win now moves. And the media applauded until it didn't work.

Nor is this the first organization to try to recapture the SB magic.

They tried, they failed, now they're moving on. Howie has been here before, 2012, 2016.

I think the lesson has been learned, you can't hope to recapture lightning in a bottle. Doug wasn't a brilliant coach who can get a veteran team to play above their talent, he was exposed as a good clubhouse guy with a limited bag of tricks. Which meant relying on him to repeat his magic was a mistake. Don't expect to see that again. 

Sirianni was brought in to manage the rebuild, and the draft/personnel decisions the next couple years will be focused on bringing in good athletes who are coachable. I think you'll see a strong emphasis on BPA in the context of their schemes (i.e. tall CBs over short CBs, etc.).

 

Random fact that surprised me.  Gronk and Travis Kelce are both 31.  I thought Kelce was 29-30 and Gronk was 33-34.  Gronk was drafted in 2010, Kelce in 2013.  

12 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Get the F out of here with trying to score political points.  You refuse to recognize what Lowie has done to this team since winning the SB.  Until you are able to come to terms with what most of us are seeing, than you'll continue to be ridiculed in here.  And it's not just me.  The more Lurie thinks he knows, the worse it gets.  Until he backs away and replaces Howie with a real football man at GM instead of a bean counter, this team will continue to flounder.  But you go ahead and defend Howie at every turn.  All the bad draft picks are someone else's fault........

I'd say most long time posters would find it much harder to take you seriously.

What they've done since the SB is make the playoffs twice and would probably have beat Seattle in 2019 if not for the Clowney hit. The wheels fell off last season, but that was inevitable, the SB team wasn't a young team, it had a 3-4 year window, last year it slammed shut. Any real Eagle fan would have been more than happy to trade 3 off seasons for a SB and two more playoff runs.

Most "real football men GMs" tend to flop terribly, the good ones stay put, the bad teams cycle through these guys. Detroit, Jax, Jets, etc.

Could Lowie have done things better? Sure. Could they have done things a lot worse? Look around the league.

 

I was curious how the media is grading the 2021 coaching hires; IIRC most gave the Eagles the lowest grade for hiring Doug in that hiring cycle, yet he lasted the longest and won a Super Bowl.  So far what I’ve seen for Sirianni is:

SI — graded the hire a B-, 5th out of 7, ahead of Campbell and Culley

CBS — graded the hire a B+, tied for 2nd, behind Saleh and tied with Arthur Smith

USA Today — graded a D, but the main quote was from Acho, who comes off as a racist knob

 

All of the sites I’ve read think the Jets made the best hire with Saleh and gave it an A — not really sure why, even after reading the articles 

 

20 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Richard Rodgers isn’t the epitome of health either. In three years here he only played in 22 games out of a possible 48.

He also is a terrible blocker. I'd rather have Perkins back, though I'm betting on one of the longshot H-back prospects they've added, Wilson, Butler, Jackson to get a shot in TC to win a job. And for them to pick up a slow but well rounded TE (think Celek) late in the draft or as a UDFA.

Pitts of course is the wildcard, I'm not a scout so I have no idea if Pitts is better than Chase, either way you're talking big target, and 40 times (as long as they're in the 4.5) range are pretty irrelevant for that kind of WR (routes, hands, using your body to shield the ball, run blocking are all more important than top end speed for big WRs).

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Random fact that surprised me.  Gronk and Travis Kelce are both 31.  I thought Kelce was 29-30 and Gronk was 33-34.  Gronk was drafted in 2010, Kelce in 2013.  

That is insane to me.  Kelce continues to look more explosive and faster as he gets older.  The other plays and looks like he's 50 after the catch.  I would have guessed there was a 7-8 year difference between them.  I tend to forget how young Gronk is until he talks.  

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I was curious how the media is grading the 2021 coaching hires; IIRC most gave the Eagles the lowest grade for hiring Doug in that hiring cycle, yet he lasted the longest and won a Super Bowl.  So far what I’ve seen for Sirianni is:

SI — graded the hire a B-, 5th out of 7, ahead of Campbell and Culley

CBS — graded the hire a B+, tied for 2nd, behind Saleh and tied with Arthur Smith

USA Today — graded a D, but the main quote was from Acho, who comes off as a racist knob

 

All of the sites I’ve read think the Jets made the best hire with Saleh and gave it an A — not really sure why, even after reading the articles 

 

It's a crapshoot. I like Sirianni b/c his coaching hires fits what you need in a rebuild. In 2023, he may or may not be the guy to take a rebuilt team to the next level. We'll see.

6 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

 

He is definitely a big strong dude that can move.