22 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

After the season he just had, he should be unsatisfied, self critical and a little unhappy. He got bashed because of a demolished OL and bad play calls by Pederson and Press.  He had the yips too.  So he is enjoying his vacation and reflecting.   But he doesn’t need to leave to get a fresh start.  He is getting that with the Eagles.  New coaches that will scheme to his strengths.  Look at the QBs that Sirianni has primarily had, Rivers and Luck.   More similar to Carson than Hurts.  I imagine after the Saints game, Carson probably thought something like "oh crap” but after the last game, that initial feeling went away.  

I firmly believe that if the Eagles trade him that there is a good chance if he lands with a good organization and a good coach he is going to be salvaged. If he somehow gets traded to the San Francisco 49ers, has those weapons and Kyle Shanahan as his coach I think there’s a good chance you see him play at a good level. And when that happens I think there’s gonna be a lot of fans that realize just how bad the roster and coaching was in 2020. That’s not Dismissing Carson‘s play because it was awful and has plenty he has to work on himself.

and people think they’re just going to find the franchise quarterback if they trade Carson Wentz. The eagles since they drafted Donovan McNabb have had how many franchise quarterbacks if you don’t believe Carson Wentz is one and trade him? Legitimately they have not had one except for Michael Vick for one season and wentz for a season. From Randall Cunningham to Donovan McNabb they didn’t have a franchise quarterback for over a half a decade. It isn’t like the Eagles got Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers back to back with their drafting. but don’t worry they’ll sell you on the fact they were going to take Russell Wilson even though they had multiple opportunities and didn’t

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Brady Anderson.  
 

I used to go to games there all the time.  Would then go down to Fells Point and get wrecked at The Admirals Cup or Horse You Rode in On.  And that was back when the Orioles were good and the Phillies sucked.  But I never jumped teams. 
 

I was also at Cal Ripken’s last game before he ended the streak.  

I know Cal Ripken I worked on his pinewood derby car 

6 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Oh you got me slappy. Got season tickets to the Os... who’s jersey should I get? 

Clearly need to get Chris davis. It’s good until his contract is done since no one in the world would trade for him with that contract and performance. 

1 hour ago, devpool said:

I was thinking that this morning, except he probably isn't reading lol. Guy is likely in a stand in North Dakota without his phone just enjoying his offseason in peace.

Just to be clear, nothing that is in season right now in North Dakota or neighboring states can be hunted from a stand. It’s varmint and predator season.  A whole lot of areas in the Dakotas aren’t tree stand areas for hunting anyway.  

24 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

There was a lot of people saying he was brittle and injury prone when he was here. He wasn’t run out of town basically got rid of him before the end like he was in SF.

 Just saying mccoy after his rookie year had an entire thread saying he was a bust. 

Well there was some truth there. In retrospect he was on the injury report a lot but played through injury often and didn't miss that many games. I thought we liked that kind of player around here.

Funny enough, he'd probably be among our healthiest players if we had him on the roster nowadays.

Quick edit here, I remember that thread about Shady. It was dumb and I'm pretty sure the OP of that thread got ran off long before Shady.

1 minute ago, metal said:

Well there was some truth there. In retrospect he was on the injury report a lot but played through injury often and didn't miss that many games. I thought we liked that kind of player around here.

Funny enough, he'd probably be among our healthiest players if we had him on the roster nowadays.

 

I love Brian westbrook. I still love Brian westbrook. He even said on Twitter he wants to be a coach for the Eagles with the running backs. I would love him to teach Watkins or whoever they bring in to do punt returns because he knows what it takes to do that at the NFL level and he was great at it. It’s an aspect on This team that has largely been missing since Darren Sproles got hurt in 2017

I am pretty sure I can make a 25 player list of Philadelphia athletes where fans turned on them after having great careers in Philadelphia

27 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

When the anonymous source stories popped up in 2018 I disregarded it.  When they popped up again in 2019 I also disregarded it.  We have also heard various reports and talk since then of how he isn't the most accepting to criticism and being coached.  So there has been a lot of smoke over the years.  Then this past year happens and we still keep hearing the same things.  AT a certain point you gotta admit that where there is this much smoke for this long that there is fire.  We even have people with their name on it like Jenkins basically admitting that Wentz wasn't the most coachable player and the organization were treating him with child gloves.  He obviously had issues with the now former HC as well.  

 

New coach young first time HC, a roster that will be rebuilt over the next few years and a lot of young guys currently on offense.  Everything surrounding Wentz doesn't strike me as a great lead by example type of player you want to rebuild your franchise around.  As much as I think Hurts is ultimately limited in his potential as a QB he strikes me as someone much more worthwhile to go with in a rebuild than Wentz.  He is an extremely humble and hard working individual that has faced a lot of adversity through his college career and never complained, never was an issue he just focused on improving and that work ethic is something can rub off on young players.  On the flipside someone who openly disregards what coaches are trying to coach him on or refusing to run certain plays in practice and just carrying himself as if he is above how everyone else on the team is treated would be a bad influence on a soon to be very young overall rebuilding roster.  

If that were the case why would Lowie extend him ? No way a guy like Reich who worked with him would want to deal with it. Maybe he utterly disrespected DP so not his normal way of going about things. If he has lost some skills because of injuries I feel for him but if this is the way he goes about his business I’m sure most will be disappointed and it will lower his trade value drastically. I got to say I always had the impression that the guy was a hardworker and a student of the game that’s besides the hope that those are tales

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I love Brian westbrook. I still love Brian westbrook. He even said on Twitter he wants to be a coach for the Eagles with the running backs. I would love him to teach Watkins or whoever they bring in to do punt returns because he knows what it takes to do that at the NFL level and he was great at it. It’s an aspect on This team that has largely been missing since Darren Sproles got hurt in 2017

I am pretty sure I can make a 25 player list of Philadelphia athletes where fans turned on them after having great careers in Philadelphia

I have no doubt about that. Seems to be getting worse too. Or maybe it's always been bad and is just more amplified and visible because of social media cesspools like Twitter.

19 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I firmly believe that if the Eagles trade him that there is a good chance if he lands with a good organization and a good coach he is going to be salvaged. If he somehow gets traded to the San Francisco 49ers, has those weapons and Kyle Shanahan as his coach I think there’s a good chance you see him play at a good level. And when that happens I think there’s gonna be a lot of fans that realize just how bad the roster and coaching was in 2020. That’s not Dismissing Carson‘s play because it was awful and has plenty he has to work on himself.

and people think they’re just going to find the franchise quarterback if they trade Carson Wentz. The eagles since they drafted Donovan McNabb have had how many franchise quarterbacks if you don’t believe Carson Wentz is one and trade him? Legitimately they have not had one except for Michael Vick for one season and wentz for a season. From Randall Cunningham to Donovan McNabb they didn’t have a franchise quarterback for over a half a decade. It isn’t like the Eagles got Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers back to back with their drafting. but don’t worry they’ll sell you on the fact they were going to take Russell Wilson even though they had multiple opportunities and didn’t

How does keeping Carson help the Eagles w/getting a franchise QB when you yourself say he is not one?

The sooner we move on from Carson Pyrite, the sooner we'll actually find our next franchise QB.

6 minutes ago, metal said:

I have no doubt about that. Seems to be getting worse too. Or maybe it's always been bad and is just more amplified and visible because of social media cesspools like Twitter.

I definitely think it’s amplified because of social media and everyone now immediately reacts to everything. Not just after the game but during the game they made it known. Like the EMB has guys during games that lose their cool with being frustrated. However Twitter is a whole other level. If i were an athlete i wouldn’t even have a Twitter account. 

Effing flyers 

The drama over Wentz is befuddling at this point. To me the analysis is as simple as this, even ignoring the reports that he has become a turd of a teammate:

1) Should the Eagles unilaterally want to trade Wentz? No, it doesn’t really help our cap space and we would be losing an excellent talent, albeit one who has not played up to his talent. From our perspective, he should come back and compete with Hurts - if he plays anywhere like he played last year and much of 2019, he will expediently lose out to Hurts.

2) Does Carson Wentz want out? He obviously does. When Schefty and Mort report something, we all take it to the bank. Just because it’s not what you want to hear doesn’t belie their reporting and their impeccable connections.

Everything else is just noise at this point.

20 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

How does keeping Carson help the Eagles w/getting a franchise QB when you yourself say he is not one?

The sooner we move on from Carson Pyrite, the sooner we'll actually find our next franchise QB.

Just out of curiosity what happens if he goes somewhere else and plays like he did at the end of 2019 and the eagles continue to search and fail? And don’t give me that well he’s not gonna do it cause I don’t believe it. Just cause you think that’s not gonna happen does not mean it won’t happen. Just like it might happen that you are correct, there’s also the chance you’re incorrect

Just saying it’s been about 10 years since the Philadelphia Eagles traded Donovan McNabb. They have yet (if you don’t believe Carson Wentz is a franchise quarterback) to find that next franchise quarterback. So they have not exactly shown As an organization that they’re capable of finding you that consistent franchise quarterback over the past decade. there’s also the possibility this organization just doesn’t find that QB everyone wants and you are stuck in purgatory. That’s a realistic possibility as they have yet to find a franchise QB since mcnabb left if you believe wentz wasn’t one and Vick had 1 season of that type of play. 

My overall point was it’s not that easy to find that franchise quarterback. But I do love how a large majority just assumes because if they trade Carson Wentz (if he or isn’t) they’re just got a strike gold and find the next franchise quarterback. Meanwhile here we are in 2021 with basically 3 outlier single season type mvp-esque years at QB and 7 years where a large portion doesn’t believe they had a franchise QB. 

2 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

The biggest question is if he is going to work on his game this off season.  I'm a Wentzer but he needs to get with a QB coach, needs to gather the receivers after mini camps for a week long throwing camp.  He needs to make himself better and if he does so the team will benefit 

Doubtful since he obviously didn't work on his game last offseason.  Too busy huntin', fishin', and playing house to worry about football.

Apparently Alex Singleton posts workout videos he makes of himself and his older sister with downs.  Guy is one of the few good things to come out of this year

 

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just out of curiosity what happens if he goes somewhere else and plays like he did at the end of 2019 and the eagles continue to search and fail? And don’t give me that well he’s not gonna do it cause I don’t believe it. Just cause you think that’s not gonna happen does not mean it won’t happen. Just like it might happen that you are correct, there’s also the chance you’re incorrect

Just saying it’s been about 10 years since the Philadelphia Eagles traded Donovan McNabb. They have yet (if you don’t believe Carson Wentz is not a franchise quarterback) to find that next franchise quarterback. So they have not exactly shown As an organization that they’re capable of finding you that franchise quarterback. there’s also the possibility this organization just doesn’t find that QB everyone wants and you are stuck in purgatory. That’s a realistic possibility as they have yet to find a franchise QB since mcnabb left if you believe wentz wasn’t one and Vick had 1 season of that type of play. 

My overall point was it’s not that easy to find that franchise quarterback. But I do love how a large majority just assumes because if they trade Carson Wentz (if he or isn’t) they’re just got a strike gold and find the next franchise quarterback. Meanwhile here we are in 2021 with basically 3 outlier single season type mvp-sequel years at QB and 7 years where a large portion doesn’t believe they had a franchise QB. 

Unlikely but if it happens, who cares?  The guy obviously isn't going to get it done here, nor does he want to be here.  So its time for everyone to move on.

I have no illusions that we'll easily find a franchise QB after moving on from Carson.  But I'm 100% sure we'll find a franchise QB quicker by moving on instead of desperately clinging to pyrite.

 

9 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Doubtful since he obviously didn't work on his game last offseason.  Too busy huntin', fishin', and playing house to worry about football.

Maybe but even if he doesn't he is much better than Hurts.

34 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

If that were the case why would Lowie extend him ? No way a guy like Reich who worked with him would want to deal with it. Maybe he utterly disrespected DP so not his normal way of going about things. If he has lost some skills because of injuries I feel for him but if this is the way he goes about his business I’m sure most will be disappointed and it will lower his trade value drastically. I got to say I always had the impression that the guy was a hardworker and a student of the game that’s besides the hope that those are tales

 

Reich was a guy who was able to coach Wentz.  All reports were that Wentz really respected Reich and Reich was not shy about being tough and honest with Wentz.  You gotta remember that Reich was only here for Wentz's first two years in the league.  He wasn't here to see how Wentz might have changed as a person behind those NovaCare Complex doors following the success of his 2017 season along with the misfortune of having to come back from a major injury while his backup went onto win the Super Bowl and instead of trading him for a great pick they brought him back for it to all almost happen again for a second time.  Then you have the offensive coaching carousel of the past 3 seasons where Wentz didn't seem to respect any of them and they were quickly subdued into being passive by Wentz.  

As for why Lurie extended him, because Wentz should have been MVP in 2017 and in 2018 he was flashing like he was going to be soon returning to that form.  The organization believed in him at that time so they let Foles walk, gave Wentz the big new contract and let it be his team.  I'd imagine this is when some of his ego issues really started to come into play that 2019 season. 

 

It's not like this FO doesn't have loose lips when it's kicking someone out the door.  I'd imagine we will get a much clearer picture of what happened with Wentz behind the scenes after he is traded/if he is traded.  

10 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Unlikely but if it happens, who cares?  The guy obviously isn't going to get it done here, nor does he want to be here.  So its time for everyone to move on.

I have no illusions that we'll easily find a franchise QB after moving on from Carson.  But I'm 100% sure we'll find a franchise QB quicker by moving on instead of desperately clinging to pyrite.

 

You don’t think Jeffrey Lurie cares about that? Especially if lurie had a chance to fix the relationship? I would bet you a ton of money he cares about that. You might not care but that doesn’t mean that lurie who deals him away for pennies on the dollar then he goes on to be the player they thought and they have to continue to try and find that qb.  Just cause you are a nonchalant who cares at that point does not mean the Eagles organization has the same views if that were to occur. Frankly that’s probably a reason why mortensen and schefter keep saying they really don’t want to trade him. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You don’t think Jeffrey Lurie cares about that? Especially if lurie had a chance to fix the relationship? I would bet you a ton of money he cares about that. You might not care but that doesn’t mean that lurie who deals him away for pennies on the dollar then he goes on to be the player they thought and they have to continue to try and find that qb.  Just cause you are a nonchalant who cares at that point does not mean the Eagles organization has the same views if that were to occur.

Yeah, the best argument for bringing Wentz back is that the owner will indulge in SUNK COST fallacy in order to keep himself from looking bad.

Wentz at the end of 2019 (but instead of throwing to scrubs he’s throwing to players who can actually do something after the catch) is a quarterback who can win a lot of games. 

He was bad in 2020, but I’m against moving on from him. I’d love to see what he can do with Sirianni’s horizontal passing game with plays designed to travel 5 yards in the air but can turn into 40 yards. 

13 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Yeah, the best argument for bringing Wentz back is that the owner will indulge in SUNK COST fallacy in order to keep himself from looking bad.

Please show me where I said that was the best argument? I’ll wait cause i never said that.  What I said was your nonchalant who cares is probably not shared among the people inside the organization who also likely believe he can still be salvaged (hence why schefter and mortensen have stated they don’t really want to trade him) or if he proves he was fixable. Again a point the eagles organization definitely thinks about that before they just deal him. If you think they are gonna just say who cares about that i think you are mistaken. But hey clearly the narrative is i said that was the best argument 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Wentz at the end of 2019 (but instead of throwing to scrubs he’s throwing to players who can actually do something after the catch) is a quarterback who can win a lot of games. 

He was bad in 2020, but I’m against moving on from him. I’d love to see what he can do with Sirianni’s horizontal passing game with plays designed to travel 5 yards in the air but can turn into 40 yards. 

Im against moving on from him too. But this offense seems like a poor fit. One of Wentz's biggest flaws is passing up the shorter wide open routes to air it out downfield even when thats not always there. 

Hes a gunslinger. Always has been. In great times, and in bad times. Thats never changed. The right match for Wentz would have been someone with a more vertical offense, with proper receiving personnel to be able to run that with Wentz. 

Wentz has all the ability in the world to run this horizontal offense, but its just not the way he is wired. Ill be kinda surprised if they reign him all the way in to get him to start taking the easy stuff. 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im against moving on from him too. But this offense seems like a poor fit. One of Wentz's biggest flaws is passing up the shorter wide open routes to air it out downfield even when thats not always there. 

Hes a gunslinger. Always has been. In great times, and in bad times. Thats never changed. The right match for Wentz would have been someone with a more vertical offense, with proper receiving personnel to be able to run that with Wentz. 

Wentz has all the ability in the world to run this horizontal offense, but its just not the way he is wired. Ill be kinda surprised if they reign him all the way in to get him to start taking the easy stuff. 

Pyrite has zero ability to run a short passing / horizontal offense since he couldn't hit the ocean from a boat.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Im against moving on from him too. But this offense seems like a poor fit. One of Wentz's biggest flaws is passing up the shorter wide open routes to air it out downfield even when thats not always there. 

Hes a gunslinger. Always has been. In great times, and in bad times. Thats never changed. The right match for Wentz would have been someone with a more vertical offense, with proper receiving personnel to be able to run that with Wentz. 

Wentz has all the ability in the world to run this horizontal offense, but its just not the way he is wired. Ill be kinda surprised if they reign him all the way in to get him to start taking the easy stuff. 

Yup. We saw him play well in a horizontal offense at the end of 2019 with some really bad players, so I hope he can see how the offense can work for him. 

My biggest issue would be his inaccuracy. He tends to kill YAC opportunities quite a bit.