Say we do trade Carson for a 1st round pick somewhere in the 15-25 range (Pats, Colts, etc.) before the draft.. Who would be your 2 targets?

50 minutes ago, toughfighter83 said:

i know it's crazy, in my 24 years of being of an eagles fan, i have never seen so much emotional attachment and excuses to a player that plays worse than bobby hoying.

 

Hurts wasn’t that bad 

5 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

There are reports that the Eagles are taking calls for Wentz. I don’t think that’s something that leaks out unless the Eagles wanted to make the league aware that he is available. 

Of course they are, every GM will tell you they pick up the phone.  Maybe the Seahawks want to trade Russ Wilson straight up for him ( not likely ) but you never know what the person on the other end of the phone has to say.  Also, seeing as you have them on the phone, you can talk about other players you may want to trade, draft pick swaps ??  

I do not expect him to be traded, but the GM not picking up the phone to listen to every offer is bad business.  Every team calls trying to get players at the trade deadline.  Maybe the Packers called the Falcons at the trade deadline and asked about Julio Jones as a piece that could get them over the top in the playoffs.  I am sure the Atlanta GM would take the call and listen to the offer with no intention of trading him.

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

That's pretty one sided don't you think? It couldn't be that the teams that are calling are the ones telling the media that they're making calls?

How does that benefit the teams calling? If they are calling for Wentz, that’s just going to push his price higher. 

Just now, garingovt2000 said:

Say we do trade Carson for a 1st round pick somewhere in the 15-25 range (Pats, Colts, etc.) before the draft.. Who would be your 2 targets?

Chase and Horn

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Frankly if they trade wentz I would actually just build up the rest of the team and let jalen hurts see what he can do in 2021. And that’s not because I think hurts is going to be a top 10 quarterback. It’s because I think you could build up the rest of the team while you’re likely not going to be very good in 2021 and the following year I think you might find a better prospect than the three after Lawrence. And by that point if you actually draft well you might have the team built up better around him for your quarterback that you draft to have sustainable success and the clock hasn’t started on his contract yet. 

Hurts is a back up QB. Nothing more. I’ll admit I wanted him to start last season cause I still wanted to make playoffs and though he was best to get us there at season. 
 

Fields is better than Hurts. Bigger arm better accuracy better production. He actually makes reads and goes through progrssions before running. 

1 minute ago, WentzFan11 said:

That’s also a possibility, but given the situation were currently in with Wentz...if he’s 100% your guy and you hired this staff to fix him then I don’t understand why they’d be willing to listen. 

I would say this for any team, player and quarterback that if a team came calling and was willing to offer you something ridiculous you’re just not gonna answer the phone? I think every player in this league besides Patrick Mahomes has a price and you’d be willing to listen to if teams met it. 

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

 I mean have Cox, Kelce, or Graham said anything? It's just asinine to point at his lack of public comment as being meaningful because it changes none of the reasons he would want to be traded.  

Ironic that you mentioned Kelce.............

8 minutes ago, downundermike said:

For the why hasn't Carson tweeted crowd, why are you all not as worried about Jason Kelce's status with the team.  He has talked about retirement the last couple of off seasons.  That would leave a huge hole, and a hefty dead cap hit if he walked away.

Why has Kelce not tweeted his intentions ??  Obviously he does not want to be here and has no intention of ever playing another snap for the Eagles.  If he did, he would have tweeted that he wants to be here and is putting in the work for 2021.

 

11 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Lawrence should be in J-ville. Fields could go anywhere from 2-8 but no way he falls that far. 
 

I know I might get slammed for this (and again nothing to do with Carson) but depending on how the board goes I would not object to getting Fields at 6. 

If a team is picking in the top 10, they should consider a QB unless it is clear that QB is a franchise QB.  The only team that shouldn't consider it in the top 10 is Cincinnati. Dallas should consider taking Fields if he's available at 10 given the cost of Dak. 

4 minutes ago, Godfather said:

Fields style of play doesn't translate well to the NFL and has longevity issues. Wilson is the exception. He can throw a beautiful deep ball and outside the numbers. You can add Watson to the list as well. Fields is neither. I'd take Zach Wilson over him all day. This team won't be good next season and has bigger needs even IF Wentz is dealt which I doubt

What is his style of play? 

3 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

That’s also a possibility, but that doesn’t benefit the other teams to make it known that there are multiple offers. Given the situation were currently in with Wentz...if he’s 100% your guy and you hired this staff to fix him then I don’t understand why they’d be willing to listen. 

Didn't the article even say that they do not want to trade him? I mean I guess if a team made them an offer that "blew them away"

1 minute ago, WentzFan11 said:

How does that benefit the teams calling? If they are calling for Wentz, that’s just going to push his price higher. 

Well according to a lot of people in here his price isn't high at all...

Also as we learned in the Wentz vs Foles debacle Howie always listens to offers but I guess people forgot that 🤷‍♂️

Just now, NCiggles said:

If a team is picking in the top 10, they should consider a QB unless it is clear that QB is a franchise QB.  The only team that shouldn't consider it in the top 10 is Cincinnati. Dallas should consider taking Fields if he's available at 10 given the cost of Dak. 

I just can't see Dallas letting him walk. They'll tag him work through the cap mess and strike a deal with him

1 minute ago, garingovt2000 said:

Say we do trade Carson for a 1st round pick somewhere in the 15-25 range (Pats, Colts, etc.) before the draft.. Who would be your 2 targets?

pitts , jaycee horn

1 minute ago, jwill2420 said:

What is his style of play? 

Ohio State

2 minutes ago, greend said:

I mean I guess if a team made them an offer that "blew them away"

But the people who seem to want him gone, talk about him as the worst QB in football.  So why would a team blow the Eagles away for the worst QB in football ??

Their logic is contradictory to itself.

31 minutes ago, downundermike said:

This is all your opinion, and there is not facts to support this from Jeff Lurie, Howie Roseman or Carson Wentz.

 

You strike me as the type that listens to a politician speak and takes everything they say as honest and what they really belief and will do. 

 

Why didn't Lurie and Roseman commit to Wentz as the starter going into 2020?  Why instead did they just refer to him as an asset? 

5 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Hurts is a back up QB. Nothing more. I’ll admit I wanted him to start last season cause I still wanted to make playoffs and though he was best to get us there at season. 
 

Fields is better than Hurts. Bigger arm better accuracy better production. He actually makes reads and goes through progrssions before running. 

I don’t know what he is. I think making a determination that is a back up strictly after four games is a little ridiculous just like it’s a little ridiculous to say he’s gonna be a bona fide big-time starter.

I don’t care what fields does better. My argument is your roster is not good enough and sustainable enough for him to have maximize success. So you’re asking a kid from a school that has seen poor production at the NFL level with QBs at making the transition and has his own set of flaws to come in there when the roster is not built up enough and you’re entering a rebuild. To me it’s a much smarter plan if you don’t love field (which I don’t particularly love Fields), I think he’s OK not a franchise quarterback but I would rather build the rest of my team up and then find my franchise quarterback at that point

again you love Justin fields. I don’t. I think he’s OK I don’t think he’s a franchise quarterback. I’m not investing the six pick if I don’t love the quarterback. This is the theory well we have to get started on finding that quarterback that doesn’t mean you just throw picks away like the Browns did for years if you don’t love the quarterback. Now you might love him. I don’t I don’t share your opinion

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

Ohio State

true

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Someone is going to want to draft Lance in the top 10.  Bank on it.  Either it’s us or we can trade back.  But someone will want him.  

Another guy I'd take over Fields 

12 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

There are reports that the Eagles are taking calls for Wentz. I don’t think that’s something that leaks out unless the Eagles wanted to make the league aware that he is available. 

More likely?  Roseman tells media "hey, I’m getting calls on Carson Wentz, and I’m not hanging up the phone” ..... or 

Some anonymous other NFL team tells media "I called Howie Roseman and asked about Wentz, and he didn’t hang up the phone”

Not really hard to pick where the information would be coming from, is it??

17 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Not in denial or clinging to anything.  You are the one clinging to speculation without one fact from anyone involved to back it up.

Fact. No confirmed report from anyone with the Eagles, Carson Wentz or his representation that he wants to be traded.

Fact.  Trading Carson would be a horrible look for Lowie, and they are not going to take on the biggest dead cap hit in NFL history.

Fact.  If for some reason they would be willing to take on that cap hit, ( which they are not ) if the guy is as bad as the people who want him gone say he is, the compensation is not going to be remotely close to make it worth taking on that cap hit.

Based on my track record with you, I am not worried in the slightest.

 

 

What's worse?  A cap hit for the next 4 seasons for a really bad QB that carries himself as if he is above his teammates and is resistant to being coached or a cap hit that is gone after one season if Wentz is traded within the first 2 days of the new league year? 

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t know what he is. I think making a determination that is a back up strictly after four games is a little ridiculous just like it’s a little ridiculous to say he’s gonna be a bona fide big-time starter.

I don’t care what fields does better. My argument is your roster is not good enough and sustainable enough for him to have maximize success. So you’re asking a kid from a school that has seen poor production at the NFL level at making the transition and has his own set of flaws to come in there when the roster is not built up enough and you’re entering a rebuild. To me it’s a much smarter plan if you don’t love field (which I don’t particularly love Fields), I think he’s OK not a franchise quarterback but I would rather build the rest of my team up and then find my franchise quarterback at that point

again you love Justin fields. I don’t. I think he’s OK I don’t think he’s a franchise quarterback. I’m not investing the six pack if I don’t love the quarterback. This is the theory well we have to get started on finding that quarterback that doesn’t mean you just throw pics away like the Browns did for years if you don’t love the quarterback. Now you might love him. I don’t I don’t share your opinion

That’s fine we can disagree. I think if you can draft a franchise QB no matter the state of the team you do it. I see him as one. 

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

You strike me as the type that listens to a politician speak and takes everything they say as honest and what they really belief and will do. 

Why didn't Lurie and Roseman commit to Wentz as the starter going into 2020?  Why instead did they just refer to him as an asset? 

Problem with your first statement, Carson Wentz hasn't spoken, but you have made up your mind on facts without anything being said.

Why would they make any definitive statements to the media ??  The will make their intentions known to the people who need to know, and that is not you, me, or anyone on this board.

Your track record makes it hard to take your assessment seriously, especially considering that no one has spoken about the situation.

But keep hanging on to your belief that Wentz will be gone for the next 45 days, and then when he is here on March 20th, you can move on.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Someone is going to want to draft Lance in the top 10.  Bank on it.  Either it’s us or we can trade back.  But someone will want him.  

Aside from Lawrence, I am not at all sure about how the draft goes.  I could see Chase falling significantly because he opted out.  I could also see him going 2nd. Sewell may fall for the same reasons.  It seems like one of the issues may be that there are several QB needy teams in the middle of the 1st round.  It makes me think there's a good possibility that there will be some trades up for picks and as soon as the 2nd QB goes you may see a run on QBs.  

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

More likely?  Roseman tells media "hey, I’m getting calls on Carson Wentz, and I’m not hanging up the phone” ..... or 

Some anonymous other NFL team tells media "I called Howie Roseman and asked about Wentz, and he didn’t hang up the phone”

Not really hard to pick where the information would be coming from, is it??

Alshon!