1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

If you like one QB more than another you get that QB. The Colts "settling” on Stafford would be quite telling. 

If Wentz forced the Eagles’ hand to trade him, they shouldn’t even talk to Indy without raking DEN, SF, and NE for the 9th, 12th, and 15th overall pick — plus additional picks.  Those teams are desperate for a decent QB

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

If Wentz forced the Eagles’ hand to trade him, they shouldn’t even talk to Indy without raking DEN, SF, and NE for the 9th, 12th, and 15th overall pick — plus additional picks.  Those teams are desperate for a decent QB

No doubt. Just using the Colts as an example saying that if they aren’t willing to give up a first that means they probably value him less than a DT

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

So if you took DNA from both Randy and Sid and merged it to formulate a human, would he then be a vicious savage? 

23 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

If you like one QB more than another you get that QB. The Colts "settling” on Stafford would be quite telling. 

Who says they be settling? You are assuming that they are settling. They are factoring not just ability but also reasonable pricing into the equation. They aren’t going  just blank check draft picks because they love a quarterback when they might also love other QBs. That’s not how it works. Which you are doing.

They might think Matt Stafford is better value than what the Eagles are making them have to pay to get Carson Wentz. Draft pick capital matters in this type of deal. If it was all things equal if Carson Wentz is gonna cost you a first and Matt Stafford was going to cost you a first as well then you would be right. But that’s not how it necessarily is going to work

They aren’t just gonna be like yeah whatever you guys want to give us Carson Wentz especially when they have other options they might also love and be cheaper. 

The problem with your theory is if you think just because they love a guy that they should pay any price due to their evaluation on him if they love him. They might have the same player evaluation on Carson Wentz and Matt stafford as saying both being great quarterbacks but one team is asking you for a ridiculous kings ransom where the other team is not. It’s pretty obvious if they think both are great (heck even think wentz is better) and one is asking for a kings ransom and the other is more reasonable in a second rounder they are likely going with the second rounder. 

1 hour ago, Freshmilk said:

This is a lot of assumption here.

It’d be foolish and ignorant to assume otherwise

26 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

You’re really starting to frighten me with your QB evaluations.  Mac Jones is not a first round talent; he has a similar lack of arm strength that Hurts has, and he’ll end up a 2nd round pick — probably late second.  
 

Stafford sucks and has a winning % of about .200 against teams with winning records.  He’s the Matt Ryan of Michigan 

No offense if you’re going to use that against Matt Stafford when he’s had bad coaches repeatedly. His defense for the better part of his tenure with the Lions has been bad then you better also use the winning percentage for Carson wentz against teams with winning records. I went back the numbers aren’t pretty. He’s 10-22 when he has faced an opponent at the time they played with a winning record. That’s .312. Not exactly great either. And i like Carson And some of those games I wouldn’t even blame him that they lost. 

Trey Lance's last collegiate game was October 3rd.  Only 1 game this season (not his fault, but still a concern, given he's only got 1 season as a starter under his belt as a FCS QB (not FBS)). 
In that game, against Central Arkansas, 15 for 30 for 149 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT... and 15 rushes for 143 yards with 2 TDs. 

 

I'm sorry, but when a QB has as many rushing attempts as completions, and nearly as many yards rushing as passing, that's not a polished passer.   Like I said extremely raw as a QB.  

Last game before that... FCS Championship.  6 for 10 for 72 yards PASSING.   30 rushes for 166 yards, 1 TD.
FCS Semis.   15 for 21 for 223.  3 TDs.  11 rushes for 64 yards, 2 TDs.

In his one year as a starter:
192 completions, 169 rushing attempts.   
2786 passing yards, 1100 rushing yards. 
28 passing TDs, 14 rushing TDs.   

The great stat is 0 INTs.  But, he's not a pro-ready passer.  He's a dual threat QB, but as with Hurts... his best threat is his legs, not his arm.   Is that worthy of a top 10 pick?   I don't think so.  1 year as a college starter at a lower level is a concern.   Maybe a later first round pick where you get some extra picks as well... but #6?   Please, no.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Trey Lance's last collegiate game was October 3rd.  Only 1 game this season (not his fault, but still a concern, given he's only got 1 season as a starter under his belt as a FCS QB (not FBS).  In that game, against Central Arkansas, 15 for 30 for 149 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT... and 15 rushes for 143 yards with 2 TDs. 

 

I'm sorry, but when a QB has as many rushing attempts as completions, and nearly as many yards rushing as passing, that's not a polished passer.   Like I said extremely raw as a QB.  

Last game before that... FCS Championship.  6 for 10 for 72 yards PASSING.   30 rushes for 166 yards, 1 TD.
FCS Semis.   15 for 21 for 223.  3 TDs.  11 rushes for 64 yards, 2 TDs.

In his one year as a starter:
192 completions, 169 rushing attempts.   
2786 passing yards, 1100 rushing yards. 
28 passing TDs, 14 rushing TDs.   

The great stat is 0 INTs.  But, he's not a pro-ready passer.  He's a dual threat QB, but as with Hurts... his best threat is his legs, not his arm.   Is that worthy of a top 10 pick?   I don't think so.  1 year as a college starter at a lower level is a concern.   Maybe a later first round pick where you get some extra picks as well... but #6?   Please, no.

Don’t disagree i wouldn’t take him at 6. I wouldn’t take Wilson or lance in the top 10. But I’d be willing to bet 2 of the 3 of Wilson, lance and jones winds up going in the top 12 of this draft. 

23 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I assume because the Colts have a great offensive line and running game it probably could extend the window as he won’t take nearly as many hits and potentially injuries.

Hopefully I'm not reaching here but even so I feel like he's always one hit away. Even tho that's true for anyone.  Sounds fun tho, Stafford to Indy with T.Y.  Carson to LV 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No offense if you’re going to use that against Matt Stafford when he’s had bad coaches repeatedly. His defense for the better part of his tenure with the Lions has been bad then you better also use the winning percentage for Carson wentz against teams with winning records. I went back the numbers aren’t pretty. He’s 10-22 when he has faced an opponent at the time they played with a winning record. That’s .312. Not exactly great either. And i like Carson And some of those games I wouldn’t even blame him that they lost. 

Stafford is part of the problem there, not the victim.  On the rare occasions the Lions compete he comes up small in big games.  When the team moves on from him you’ll see an uptick in their fortunes — and it won’t be a big coincidence 

Pro tip: Don't take a guy in the top 10 who has a porn star name. Only take guys in the top 10 who have porn star faces

 

Just now, Magnifico said:

Hopefully I'm not reaching here but even so I feel like he's always one hit away. Even tho that's true for anyone.  Sounds fun tho, Stafford to Indy with T.Y.  Carson to LV 

Don’t get me wrong I think you’re right that he is only one hit away with some of the injuries he sustained from being done. That’s why I don’t think he’s going to be getting as much in terms of draft picks as the Eagles would be asking for with Carson Wentz.

1 hour ago, Br3 said:

What happened to mac Jones and trask? Lance is better than them?
I watch college ball every Saturday and have literally never heard of this Lance dude until 5 minutes ago. To be fair I’ve never watched a North Dakota state game in my life 

NDSU actually played a 1-game season just to get him some extra publicity this year.  He's been touted as a better, more mobile Carson Wentz.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Don’t disagree i wouldn’t take him at 6. I wouldn’t take Wilson or lance in the top 10. But I’d be willing to bet 2 of the 3 of Wilson, lance and jones winds up going in the top 12 of this draft. 

That very well may be true... but I don't want to be one of the teams that does it.   Blake Bortles went #3.  Trubisky went #2 (and traded away nice assets to have the right to do it), passing on DeShaun Watson and Patrick Mahomes.   

Now.. Lance has much more Watson and Mahomes in him than Bortles or Trubisky.   I think he's got elite athleticism and a very strong arm.  But... he's a guy you sit on the bench for a while and work him hard in practice and he's not allowed in practice to take a single step beyond the LOS.   Everything is from inside the pocket with occasional boots/rollouts where he has to keep his eyes downfield and make a decision on where to THROW it.  

Just now, Alphagrand said:

Stafford is part of the problem there, not the victim.  On the rare occasions the Lions compete he comes up small in big games.  When the team moves on from him you’ll see an uptick in their fortunes — and it won’t be a big coincidence 

I would argue that Matt Stafford over his career has had it as bad as any quarterback in the league in terms of coaches and his defense. 

I am not saying he is a perfect quarterback. or not part of the problem either. He had his own flaws. However I think using his win percentage against win percentage is kind of like Carson’s .312 where a lot of those games they could have won we not exactly all his fault

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

NDSU actually played a 1-game season just to get him some extra publicity this year.  He's been touted as a better, more mobile Carson Wentz.

He's much more mobile, no doubt.   But, I'm not going to say he's close to as ready as a passer.

1 hour ago, Bacarty2 said:

The BEST QB You’ve NEVER Heard Of 🔥🔥🔥 || NDSU QB Trey Lance Highlights ᴴᴰ - YouTube

 

Mobility - check.  Arm strength - check.  Size - check.

He looks great on that video.  It's tough for me to draw a conclusion from watching something like that where most of the time, he was just a better athlete than everyone else when he ran, and the receivers mostly had 10+ yards of separation on his throws.  I think he held on to the ball for at least 6 seconds on every play too.  He'd need a lot of coaching from Doug for a few years before he is totally misused, gets the yips, and gets sacked on every other play.  

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Its a bit of a reach to say that's a TD with a better throw, there's a safety streaking over and Reagor isn't Tyreek Hill. 

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No offense if you’re going to use that against Matt Stafford when he’s had bad coaches repeatedly. His defense for the better part of his tenure with the Lions has been bad then you better also use the winning percentage for Carson wentz against teams with winning records. I went back the numbers aren’t pretty. He’s 10-22 when he has faced an opponent at the time they played with a winning record. That’s .312. Not exactly great either. And i like Carson And some of those games I wouldn’t even blame him that they lost. 

Stafford had Megatron through half of his career

Who has Wentz had?

1 minute ago, hputenis said:

Mobility - check.  Arm strength - check.  Size - check.

He looks great on that video.  It's tough for me to draw a conclusion from watching something like that where most of the time, he was just a better athlete than everyone else when he ran, and the receivers mostly had 10+ yards of separation on his throws.  I think he held on to the ball for at least 6 seconds on every play too.  He'd need a lot of coaching from Doug for a few years before he is totally misused, gets the yips, and gets sacked on every other play.  

You mean you aren't going to be a highlight scout?  

 

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Pro tip: Don't take a guy in the top 10 who has a porn star name. Only take guys in the top 10 who have porn star faces

 

Trevor's got nothing on the stache according to this female reporter:

Sidenote....imagine if a male reporter made some kind of comment about a female athlete's appearance.  He would cancelled and never have a job again.

1 minute ago, greendestiny27 said:

Its a bit of a reach to say that's a TD with a better throw, there's a safety streaking over and Reagor isn't Tyreek Hill. 

Not a reach to say the throw to Watkins on 4th down would have been though.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

That very well may be true... but I don't want to be one of the teams that does it.   Blake Bortles went #3.  Trubisky went #2 (and traded away nice assets to have the right to do it), passing on DeShaun Watson and Patrick Mahomes.   

Now.. Lance has much more Watson and Mahomes in him than Bortles or Trubisky.   I think he's got elite athleticism and a very strong arm.  But... he's a guy you sit on the bench for a while and work him hard in practice and he's not allowed in practice to take a single step beyond the LOS.   Everything is from inside the pocket with occasional boots/rollouts where he has to keep his eyes downfield and make a decision on where to THROW it.  

I don’t disagree with you. I think he needs an entire season on the bench learning before you send them out there because I don’t think he’s NFL ready at this point and he’s really not played much in an entire year. I think of the three other quarterbacks ahead of him he is the least ready to go in there from day one and start. I can understand why teams are intrigued by him. I think he could be a very good starter but he’s not doing it as a rookie like you saw with Justin Herbert or Joe Burrow. 

I don’t think quarterback even comes into the discussion with the Eagles unless hurts or wentz isn’t back. I do think the Eagles will scout these quarterbacks because it’s their job and they’re trying to gain info on them in case at some point they play them or they become available in the future.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Trevor's got nothing on the stache according to this female reporter:

Sidenote....imagine if a male reporter made some kind of comment about a female athlete's appearance.  He would cancelled and never have a job again.

That's not a mustache.   That's a sad pathetic middle school dirty lip.

18 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Stafford had Megatron through half of his career

Who has Wentz had?

I never said he didn’t have great wide receivers. Their offensive line has arguably been one of the worst offensive line in the league his entire tenure with the Lions. Their defense has also been bottom half of the league for most of his career . Also his coaching go look at it has not been good.

You might have Megatron for half your career that doesn’t mean your offensive line, your running backs, your coaching, or your defense has been good. It takes a defense and an offense to win games and good coaching. 

Again I don’t entire blame Carson wentz for his record either. If he had better weapons around him he likely also has a better record. Just like if Matt Stafford had a better offensive line or defense or coaching he also would likely have a better record. I think using that statistic is unfair to either Carson or Matt Stafford