8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Cross the Raiders off the list of QB-needy teams. 

 

Raiders actually make a lot of sense if they decide to move on from Carr.  Gruden has always been about the veteran QBs and the Raiders under him haven't been afraid to make big risky trades.  For Wentz's sake though if he is traded I hope he lands in a better spot to succeed like the Colts or Saints though.  

 

38 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The fact is after the 2018 season he spoke to hand-picked reporters about the Philly Voice story. He was under no obligation to do so but chose to do it.

Why? To help control the narrative and to help move past the story.

This isn’t about Twitter or about social media, this about Wentz and his team knowing they could do something to calm firestorm and doing nothing about it. The only logical reason for that is that there’s truth to it. 

And did that stop people from saying he was a bad teammate afterwards? No, those rumors still exist today. So maybe he realized speaking to the media is worthless because they're just going to create the narrative they want regardless of what you tell them. 

Just now, schuy7 said:

Hahah. I just mean that we're wasting our time talking about if Carson wants to be here. It doesn't matter.

Technically nothing we discuss matters. I'm out for a while I'm outta likes.

Just now, devpool said:

And did that stop people from saying he was a bad teammate afterwards? No, those rumors still exist today. So maybe he realized speaking to the media is worthless because they're just going to create the narrative they want regardless of what you tell them. 

Well, his teammates again called him out, some anonymously and Jenkins not anonymously. That certainly didn’t help. 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

They also paid Brissett $15M to he the backup, so if he thinks he can get Wentz back to 2017 Wentz, that’s a steal!

So ...... you’re pushing a position that Reich thinks so little of his OC Nick Sirianni that he says to him "Nick, Wentz is awful; I would never take him — but it seems like such a perfect environment for you to get into for a head coaching gig, that I will give you my highest recommendation to Mr Lurie, so that you can fail miserably with Wentz, get fired in a couple of years, and ruin your reputation as a football coach”

You’ve been getting further out into the weeds the last few days.

15 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

Sounds reasonable except spending a 2nd on a player to " only intend ever to be backup for the team "  as in forever and ever. Kurt Warner. CW looking for that unconditional love needs to put on his big boy pants if that’s truly what he’s thinking but I’m getting it from you guys that he’s offended by an insurance plan in case he gets hurt, plain stinks or can be developed and traded at a premium if CW reverts to his 2017 capabilities

First Kurt Warner wasn’t drafted. He was signed as a free agent out of the arena football league and Trent green got hurt. That’s completely different and that’s an outlier not the norm. 

second, i think almost any QB would be irritated at their franchise for doing so especially when they aren’t old. I went into this prior the next closest QB in their prime that was under that type of contract and just received the contract was youngest 34. So that’s a issue the eagles created themselves. 

third i said the eagles didn’t intend on drafting Hurts to just be a backup. You keep making it that.  

fourth where did i say he was offended anywhere in there? I didn’t. Read what’s there don’t put words that aren’t there cause you want to make up your narratives. I’m guessing like any starting QB around the league Flacco, rodgers also got pissed  

fifth how about the eagles owner put their big boy pants on and fire the Fing the guy who keeps making bad decisions and boneheaded draft picks for 3 years and screwed up their cap 

1 minute ago, Casey @ Bat said:

From the 2009 draft until 2016 draft there were 22 Quarterbacks taken in the 1st Rd. Wentz is the only QB with his original team.

Since 2000 draft until 2016 there are 4 QB’s still with their original teams (drafted in Rd 1) - Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Ryan, Wentz.

 

Quarterbacks change teams a lot. 

I know Rodgers is staying with Packers. Is Ben and Ryan? Falcons look like they're in a complete rebuild and have the #4 pick

Ben looked like he was done in the end there

25 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Since I’ve stirred up the hornet’s nest, let’s play along with BLG above. If Reich isn’t interested in Wentz, what does that say about Wentz?

Isn't interested in wentz or not interested in giving up a lot of picks for wentz? I can definitely imagine Reich saying he doesn't want to trade for wentz due to the picks it would cost and the media will take the first half of that and only report he isn't interested in Wentz.

12 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

He's 31 and hasn't played in 3 years. He left because of health reasons. He made over $100M so it's not like he needs the money

That part was tongue-in-cheek 

13 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Anyway, I don't think the question we should be asking is if Carson wants to be back. It's whether we want him back. He was atrocious this season and is way overpaid.

Considering the fact schefter and mortensen in their report ans interview both said the eagles don’t really want to trade him probably tells you that. Unless we only listen to things they say that goes for certain points and not others. 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

So ...... you’re pushing a position that Reich thinks so little of his OC Nick Sirianni that he says to him "Nick, Wentz is awful; I would never take him — but it seems like such a perfect environment for you to get into for a head coaching gig, that I will give you my highest recommendation to Mr Lurie, so that you can fail miserably with Wentz, get fired in a couple of years, and ruin your reputation as a football coach”

You’ve been getting further out into the weeds the last few days.

You don’t think it’s possible that Reich could simultaneously push for his OC to get a HC job (one of only 32 in the world) while also not being interested in trading for Wentz? Is that right?

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

They had more cap room and Rivers didn’t cost the draft/player compensation Wentz would.  

 

Looking over at Spotrac they still have a ton of space.  Unlike Rivers, Wentz provides a potential long term solution at QB.  

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/indianapolis-colts/cap/

 

 

That said I don't buy the idea that Reich wouldn't be interested.  I think if anything since the connection makes their interest so apparent that it works in their favor to keep their potential interest close to the vest as to try to maintain some leverage just as it is wise for the Eagles right now to not say they are actively looking to trade Wentz but be sure to put the story out there that they are taking calls and listening and teams are calling so that they can try to maintain some leverage if they are looking to trade Wentz.

I also think the Colts are probably trying to use this pre-free agency period to try and feel out Andrew Luck and see if there is anyway for them to convince him to come back before they start making moves to get a new QB in there to replace Rivers.  

31 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Not sure if this is allowed here but Fanatics sent me a 3XL green Reggie White jersey for no reason and they don't want it back.  Am I allowed to ask if anyone on here wants it?

Sure, but whoever responds that they want it better have a tuba player following them at all times.

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Raiders actually make a lot of sense if they decide to move on from Carr.  Gruden has always been about the veteran QBs and the Raiders under him haven't been afraid to make big risky trades.  For Wentz's sake though if he is traded I hope he lands in a better spot to succeed like the Colts or Saints though.  

 

I think Nelly will have a mental breakdown if Wentz shows up in LV. Would be funny though.

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Well, his teammates again called him out, some anonymously and Jenkins not anonymously. That certainly didn’t help. 

At the time, players (i believe Cox was one) came out publicly to defend wentz as well. Jenkins came out after he's been gone from the team. Anonymous sources and salty ex players really don't do it for me. Next we're gonna have scandrick come out and say wentz was mean to him

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

You don’t think it’s possible that Reich could simultaneously push for his OC to get a HC job (one of only 32 in the world) while also not being interested in trading for Wentz? Is that right?

Again — like we’re trying to tell you — WHY wouldn’t Reich want to trade for Wentz.

You tried just now to push McLane’s narrative that, if Reich doesn’t even want Wentz, what does it say about Wentz?  It doesn’t say anything about Wentz; it says McLane and other media scribes are trying to push a narrative to undermine Wentz as the franchise QB

21 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I dunno. They paid something like $40M last year for Old Man Rivers and Brissett. 

Yeah that was a temporary cap hit with rivers and nothing else. Brissett they traded a bust wr in Dorsett for him and he was still cheap. This is a cap hit and trading draft assets. Much different circumstances 

im guessing if the colts could trade Dorsett for wentz and get him on that type of contract or just sign him to a contract like they did with rivers giving up no draft capital then they’d probably be for it. 

Just now, manz2821 said:

I think Nelly will have a mental breakdown if Wentz shows up in LV. Would be funny though.

 

Agholor's issues were around before Wentz and his best season also came with Wentz as QB.  I'm not convinced that Agholor isn't going to fall apart again once a team gives him a multi-year deal.  But if he doesn't then I think it is clear that he just needed to get a fresh start somewhere and get out from under the pressure of playing her as a 1st round pick.  Not that unlike what Wentz probably needs.  

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Again — like we’re trying to tell you — WHY wouldn’t Reich want to trade for Wentz.

You tried just now to push McLane’s narrative that, if Reich doesn’t even want Wentz, what does it say about Wentz?  It doesn’t say anything about Wentz; it says McLane and other media scribes are trying to push a narrative to undermine Wentz as the franchise QB

I know everyone in here thinks the media are a bunch of lying bullies. I don’t agree. 

Anyway, I was simply asking based on the premise laid out from BLG, who said he heard the same as McLane. 

For the record, I think the Colts make perfect sense for Wentz, which is why it would say a lot about Wentz if Reich weren’t interested. No need to get so bent out of shape over a hypothetical. 

4 minutes ago, manz2821 said:

I think Nelly will have a mental breakdown if Wentz shows up in LV. Would be funny though.

Yeah that wasnt wentz who mentally broke nelly. It was the fan base bashing every step of the way besides 2017. You know kind of what they do to every athlete at some point in time besides utley and Dawkins. 

4 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

I didn’t say he was bad in those years, I said he wasn’t worth the contract. There’s a difference. He got paid like an elite guy. He did some nice things in 2018 and 2019 but he wasn’t elite. He had one season where he played at an elite level. His athleticism has declined, it’s so obvious in the way he moves and his accuracy, which was never good, has gotten worse. I suspect because his athleticism declined. He was always more accurate on the run, more accurate improvising. Which he doesn’t have the ability to do as well because when he runs now he looks lumbering as opposed to the agile and quick guy he was when he was playing at his peak.

What skill does he perform above average right now? Arm strength is it as far as I’m concerned. He’s horribly inaccurate. He’s not as athletic as he used to be. He struggles to read defenses. If we are gonna keep this guy and pay him that kinda dough, then he can’t have one skill that he performs at an above average level.

And I do think Lurie would take the cap him. Especially when he basically admitted the team is heading into a rebuild and likely won’t be good next season anyway. A one year hit is not that significant if it gets out of the contract completely.

I agree about the athleticism but how much has he lost that even thru hard work he will never get back ? A little too late for that question, Howie should’ve had the answer before giving him that nice contract because I think he is just an average QB without it. Hope his former self is attainable and he stays with us otherwise Howie has to pay for this mistake

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah that was a temporary cap hit with rivers and nothing else. Brissett they traded a bust wr in Dorsett for him and he was still cheap. This is a cap hit and trading draft assets. Much different circumstances 

im guessing if the colts could trade Dorsett for wentz and get him on that type of contract or just sign him to a contract like they did with rivera then they’d probably be for it. 

I think that would be a reason for Ballard to not be interested, not Reich. Perhaps they are like-minded about the cap and assets. 

That said, they traded a top 15 pick for Buckner to pay him top dollar. 

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I know everyone in here thinks the media are a bunch of lying bullies. I don’t agree. 

Anyway, I was simply asking based on the premise laid out from BLG, who said he heard the same as McLane. 

For the record, I think the Colts make perfect sense for Wentz, which is why it would say a lot about Wentz if Reich weren’t interested. No need to get so bent out of shape over a hypothetical. 

I just think the Bradford/Goff deal really messed with everyone's calculus on QB trades. I think it caused every team in the market for QB to rethink their options. I see the raiders backing down because they seem to love their draft picks for wheeling and dealing on draft day. I think the possibility of a minimum of two 1st's as being too rich for a lot of teams.

Carson is gone in my mind. So, now how does the team move forward finding their QB?

I would prefer they go ahead and draft a player this year, but I don’t think they will.

My guess is that they give Brian Johnson a year with Hurts to see what he can do.

Not what I would want, but feels like what will happen.