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7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think that would be a reason for Ballard to not be interested, not Reich. Perhaps they are like-minded about the cap and assets. 

That said, they traded a top 15 pick for Buckner to pay him top dollar. 

And Buckner was coming off a pro bowl caliber season and very good season where frankly he got overlooked his last year in SF. He easily could’ve be in the pro bowl. I think anyone would be willing to trade a top 15 pick on a DT that had 21.5 sacks in two years and was 25 years old and willing to pay him. Hence Frank Clark (de) got traded for a first and he was a POS human being. 

im guessing it isn’t just on the player when reich says he doesn’t want him. It probably encompasses everything to be able to acquire him. Of course BLG and mclane wouldn’t include that because it makes for a much less juicy tweet/story. I’m guessing. A good GM like Ballard and reich talked about that part and it likely played a factor if that’s true. I would be willing to bet if he was a free agent and they could get him on a decent deal they’d be for it with how their current situation is. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I know everyone in here thinks the media are a bunch of lying bullies. I don’t agree. 

Anyway, I was simply asking based on the premise laid out from BLG, who said he heard the same as McLane. 

For the record, I think the Colts make perfect sense for Wentz, which is why it would say a lot about Wentz if Reich weren’t interested. No need to get so bent out of shape over a hypothetical. 

How did you know I was out of shape?  😂

I’m not trying to bust your balls; I’m just saying there could be many reasons the Colts wouldn’t be interested.  Maybe Chris Ballard wouldn’t want him.  Maybe they wouldn’t be agreeable to give Howie what he’d ask for in compensation.  Maybe there are other options like Derek Carr or Kirk Cousins or even Jimmy G who represent a smaller investment.

I’m almost positive Frank Reich would never say publicly that he wouldn’t want Wentz on his team.  I do believe if the Colts end up trading for a lesser QB, the Philly media will try to  read something into it, though.

11 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Agholor's issues were around before Wentz and his best season also came with Wentz as QB.  I'm not convinced that Agholor isn't going to fall apart again once a team gives him a multi-year deal.  But if he doesn't then I think it is clear that he just needed to get a fresh start somewhere and get out from under the pressure of playing her as a 1st round pick.  Not that unlike what Wentz probably needs.  

agreed, we tend to hold guys accountable a little more enthusiastically than other fanbases. Las Vegas is probably the best fanbase for someone like him, that or miami.

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

And Buckner was coming off a pro bowl caliber season and very good season where frankly he got overlooked his last year in SF. He easily could’ve be in the pro bowl. I think anyone would be willing to trade a top 15 pick on a DT that had 21.5 sacks in two years and was 25 years old and willing to it him. Hence Frank Clark got traded for a first. 

im guessing it isn’t just on the player when reich says he doesn’t want him. It probably encompasses everything to be able to acquire him. Of course BLG and mclane wouldn’t include that because it makes for a much less juicy tweet/story. I’m guessing. A good GM like Ballard and reich talked about that part and it likely played a factor if that’s true. 

I doubt they’d withhold that information just to bury Wentz more or to make a juicier tweet. 

As for Buckner, as good as he is, if you’re willing to pay a top 15 pick for a DT just to pay him top dollar, logic says you’d pay a 1 to pay top-ish dollars for a QB you believe in (maybe the cost is higher). If you want to say that they wouldn’t pay up for him because of his down year, then basically you’re saying that they don’t believe Wentz is a franchise QB, or there is too much risk with him. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

I doubt they’d withhold that information just to bury Wentz more or to make a juicier tweet. 

As for Buckner, as good as he is, if you’re willing to pay a top 15 pick for a DT just to pay him top dollar, logic says you’d pay a 1 to pay top-ish dollars for a QB you believe in. If you want to say that they wouldn’t pay up for him because of his down year, then basically you’re saying that they don’t believe Wentz is a franchise QB, or there is too much risk with him. 

I still believe the Eagles want to return both QB's this season...but...if...if.. a team is serious enough to make a play for Wentz, they would have to strike before any deal goes down with Watson, as the going rate for a QB will get jacked up. If I were the Eagles I would be waiting for after the Watson deal to set the new market.

20 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

First Kurt Warner wasn’t drafted. He was signed as a free agent out of the arena football league and Trent green got hurt. That’s completely different and that’s an outlier not the norm. 

second, i think almost any QB would be irritated at their franchise for doing so especially when they aren’t old. I went into this prior the next closest QB in their prime that was under that type of contract and just received the contract was youngest 34. So that’s a issue the eagles created themselves. 

third i said the eagles didn’t intend on drafting Hurts to just be a backup. You keep making it that.  

fourth where did i say he was offended anywhere in there? I didn’t. Read what’s there don’t put words that aren’t there cause you want to make up your narratives. I’m guessing like any starting QB around the league Flacco, rodgers also got pissed  

fifth how about the eagles owner put their big boy pants on and fire the Fing the guy who keeps making bad decisions and boneheaded draft picks for 3 years and screwed up their cap 

Third, how do you know what the Eagles intentions were ?  Don’t put words in their mouths that aren’t there cause you want to make up your narratives

Kurt Warner was a backup at one point end of your story

You mentioned Flacco and Rodgers, what rounds were their supposed replacement  QB’s taken ?

i apologize, I must’ve had you confused with RTK and Wentz’s supposed hurt feelings but I will remind you of your denial if I catch mentioning it. We good ?

 

 

Just now, ManuManu said:

I doubt they’d withhold that information just to bury Wentz more or to make a juicier tweet. 

As for Buckner, as good as he is, if you’re willing to pay a top 15 pick for a DT just to pay him top dollar, logic says you’d pay a 1 to pay top-ish dollars for a QB you believe in. If you want to say that they wouldn’t pay up for him because of his down year, then basically you’re saying that they don’t believe Wentz is a franchise QB, or there is too much risk with him. 

I think they would withhold that information cause they didn’t ask the reasons why the colts /reich would feel that way Hence have they said they exact reason as to why he and the colts wouldn’t want him? Yeah haven’t seen that piece of info just them blurting it out. 

or the fact you were getting a DT who had 21.5 sacks which was top 5 at his position over the last two years. You are trying to compare a DT who had 21.5 sacks and emerging as one of the best DT in the league and then downplaying it like those 21.5 sacks were only behind Chris jones and Aaron Donald at that position. Honestly it’s a pretty crap comparison to go well they just spent a 1st on Buckner. Yeah the guy who over the last two years was top 3 in terms of sacks at the DT position meanwhile wentz it might cost them more than just a 1st and way more money then just Buckner. Then on top fix him based on how he and the eagles screwed him up. Meanwhile the other they were getting a boba fixed top 5 player at his position that’s also coveted

19 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

 

Bummer. Almost sounds like we also want him out. It’s unfortunate that it came down to this.

29 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I know Rodgers is staying with Packers. Is Ben and Ryan? Falcons look like they're in a complete rebuild and have the #4 pick

Ben looked like he was done in the end there

Those are the other 3. Found the 2009-2016 stat kind of amazing.

3 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

I still believe the Eagles want to return both QB's this season...but...if...if.. a team is serious enough to make a play for Wentz, they would have to strike before any deal goes down with Watson, as the going rate for a QB will get jacked up. If I were the Eagles I would be waiting for after the Watson deal to set the new market.

I think they want Wentz back, and because Hurts would have such a small market, that would mean both returns. That brings another set of issues. Man, the Hurts pick was so bad. 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I doubt they’d withhold that information just to bury Wentz more or to make a juicier tweet. 

As for Buckner, as good as he is, if you’re willing to pay a top 15 pick for a DT just to pay him top dollar, logic says you’d pay a 1 to pay top-ish dollars for a QB you believe in (maybe the cost is higher). If you want to say that they wouldn’t pay up for him because of his down year, then basically you’re saying that they don’t believe Wentz is a franchise QB, or there is too much risk with him. 

They 100% would, they're a bunch of weasels who will phrase things whatever way they can to get more people to click on their story. Look at the guy that McCaffrey called out the other day. It isn't specific to Philly media (although the eagles beat writers sure love it), it's sports "journalists" in general. 

As much as we would love wentz to do what McCaffrey did, he tried that already here and was still demonized. We'll see if it works for McCaffrey 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think they would withhold that information cause they didn’t ask the reasons why the colts /reich would feel that way Hence have they said they exact reason as to why he and the colts wouldn’t want him? Yeah haven’t seen that piece of info just them blurting it out. 

or the fact you were getting a DT who had 21.5 sacks which was top 5 at his position over the last two years. You are trying to compare a DT who had 21.5 sacks and emerging as one of the best DT in the league and then downplaying it like those 21.5 sacks were only behind Chris jones and Aaron Donald at that position. Honestly it’s a pretty crap comparison to go well they just spent a 1st on Buckner. Yeah the guy who over the last two years was top 3 in terms of sacks at the DT position meanwhile wentz it might cost them more than just a 1st and way more money then just Buckner. Then on top fix him based on how he and the eagles screwed him up. Meanwhile the other they were getting a boba fixed top 5 player at his position that’s also coveted

I think "why” would be the very next question out of McLane’s mouth. He has real sources. I’m dubious of BLG. He probably got the info fifth-hand or something so there probably wouldn’t be anymore info to glean. 

I’m not downplaying Buckner, but QB is the single most important position in the sport and he had an MVP season with the HC as the OC. If a 1 is too much for Wentz (if that’s the price), it would tell me they don’t believe in him or the risk is too much. 

Now we just need to trade Hurts too.  

4 minutes ago, devpool said:

They 100% would, they're a bunch of weasels who will phrase things whatever way they can to get more people to click on their story. Look at the guy that McCaffrey called out the other day. It isn't specific to Philly media (although the eagles beat writers sure love it), it's sports "journalists" in general. 

As much as we would love wentz to do what McCaffrey did, he tried that already here and was still demonized. We'll see if it works for McCaffrey 

I don’t know the radio guy who did the CMC stuff. I’m talking specifically BLG and McLane. 

Whatever ends up happening there is no other way to describe it than as a complete disaster. It's almost comical how badly mismanaged everything was. Thank god they won a Super Bowl 3 years ago because I really doubt they will be close again with this current FO.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Whatever ends up happening there is no other way to describe it than as a complete disaster. It's almost comical how badly mismanaged everything was. Thank god they won a Super Bowl 3 years ago because I really doubt they will be close again with this current FO.

Go sixers!?

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t know the radio guy who did the CMC stuff. I’m talking specifically BLG and McLane. 

Eagles beat does this literally all the time, especially that idiot BLG. He is the king of clickbait. They are all clowns, ever last one except probably Kapadia. McLane, frank, BLG etc I have zero respect for, they're in it to generate clicks not report stories.

Is it mismanagement? Or is it a player underperforming? At some point, Wentz is to blame. Sure the team sucked around him, but he only made it worse. If he had played like a franchise QB, avoided 30 turnovers, we wouldn't be talking about mismanagement. Yes, it didn't make sense to use a 2nd for Hurts.

It's not the perfect comparison, but the Packers drafted Jordan Love and what did Rodgers do? Win the MVP. It's the same kind of "mismanagement", but the quality of player is the difference.

Wentz was awesome in 2017, but that's in large part due to a great team around him too. He just isn't a franchise QB. It is what it is.

It's only a disaster because we don't have a QB. It seems like a huge mess with Wentz and Hurts. That's what happens when you have two QBs. You actually have none.

Reddick, Graziano, and that turd Booger all had good takes on a Wentz on Get Up. None of them think he's going anywhere and believe the Eagles have made it a point that they want Wentz back in 2021. Hiring Reich Jr is a sign of that

52 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

If I'm being completely honest then at the time I was hoping for Diggs (taken 2 spots before though), AJ Epenesa or Mims or Van Jefferson.  Looking back at it though they could have drafted Chinn or Dobbins.

To spend a 2nd round pick on a player that you only intend on every being a backup player at a position where the backup rarely sees the field is an incredible waste of that 2nd round pick.  Especially for a team like the Eagles who have holes all over the place.  You can sign a cheap backup QB.  If you want to draft a QB to develop as a QB then you do that in the 3rd or 4th round.  The second round is a place in the draft where you can still reasonably expect to draft someone who can either right away or develop into a long term quality starter for your team.  

I feel ya but they must’ve really thought they had a winner spending a 2nd on him. Looked better than I expected but I guess everything is relative. Look at the bright side, no more Sudz at least

Ideally, in a perfect world, if you could snap your fingers and get Wentz back to an MVP player, that's easiest and best solution. They have their franchise QB. They don't have to go searching again. Realistically, though, how likely is it?

The narrative is out there that Wentz can't possibly play as bad as he did in 2020 again. Maybe that's right, he may not. But there is no guarantee that's the case. He certainly could play that poorly again. Some players just fall off cliffs. He's had a lot of injuries. He's had a lot of offensive coaches in his ear about his play style. Sports isn't always "are you healthy? Check. So that automatically means you're gonna play well!" It doesn't always work that way. Some guys decline for no obvious rhyme or reason. Could be pyschological or other factors.I don't think it's any less likely he could play like the 2020 Wentz again than he could regain his 2017.

Regardless, the Eagles have to ask themselves if all this is worth it based on the most likely outcomes. Having to worry about pairing him with the perfect coach and coordinator to get the most out of him. Having to pair him with a QB coach who he gets along with, since apparently he did not like JDF getting on him for his mistakes. Having to deal with pouting if he gets benched. Having to worry about drafting another QB causing his play to decline because that bothers him. Having to deal with split locker rooms depending on how the dynamic plays out. Having to continue to worry about his mechanics over and over when the dude is going into his 6th season, and when the slightest thing is off with his mechanics, his accuracy plummets into oblivion.

If it were me, I wouldn't wanna deal with all of the baggage that comes with this marriage, where the most likely outcome is to get a Wentz somewhere in between 2017 and 2020, and in a league where you're going to have to beat guys like Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson, etc to win Super Bowls.

3 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Is it mismanagement? Or is it a player underperforming? At some point, Wentz is to blame. Sure the team sucked around him, but he only made it worse. If he had played like a franchise QB, avoided 30 turnovers, we wouldn't be talking about mismanagement. Yes, it didn't make sense to use a 2nd for Hurts.

It's not the perfect comparison, but the Packers drafted Jordan Love and what did Rodgers do? Win the MVP. It's the same kind of "mismanagement", but the quality of player is the difference.

Wentz was awesome in 2017, but that's in large part due to a great team around him too. He just isn't a franchise QB. It is what it is.

It's only a disaster because we don't have a QB. It seems like a huge mess with Wentz and Hurts. That's what happens when you have two QBs. You actually have none.

It's mismanaging a player underperforming. Among mismanaging other things that directly and indirectly are maximizing this ish storm.

6 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Bummer. Almost sounds like we also want him out. It’s unfortunate that it came down to this.

When you sign a contract the team holds your rights.

Wentz will only be traded if the Eagles decide it’s best to make that move, just like Deshaun Watson will only be traded if the Texans think it’s in their best interest.  I’ve heard quite a few people say Watson will still be in HOU next season, because McNair and Cesario make that decision — not Watson.

The Eisen clip you quoted is only him regurgitating the earlier reporting that Howie "is not hanging up the phone”.  That says nothing; it’s the GM’s job to take calls on trade offers.  If a team offered two 1st round picks and a 3rd round pick for Wentz, would Howie entertain it?  Probably.  I expect Howie to act in the best interest of the organization (whether or not he’s good at it is a different discussion)

I posted on here quite a few weeks ago that Howie doesn’t even need to make any calls; just wait for the phone to ring.  IMO he will get offers for both Wentz and Hurts.  Hopefully he and Lurie will make the correct decision for the long term interest of the team.

The rumor is Howie is TAKING calls about Wentz, not MAKING calls.

That is, he isn't being shopped, but Howie will listen to someone ready to "make an offer you can't refuse."

Though I suspect he'd also be willing to listen to an offer for Fletcher Cox. Or any other Eagle player. Listening costs nothing, GMs probably throw out hypotheticals one a day, like taking a multi-vitamin.

Now would Howie be more willing to take a good offer seriously? Sure, Wentz is less valuable than a year ago, but he's still far too valuable to the Eagles to give away.

It's simple finance theory, Wentz is an option with a high potential payoff, you don't sell it on pennies on the dollar unless you think it's very unlikely you'll ever get to exercise it.