1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t disagree with you. I think he needs an entire season on the bench learning before you send them out there because I don’t think he’s NFL ready at this point and he’s really not played much in an entire year. I think of the three other quarterbacks ahead of him he is the least ready to go in there from day one and start. I can understand why teams are intrigued by him. I think he could be a very good starter but he’s not doing it as a rookie like you saw with Justin Herbert or Joe Burrow. 

I don’t think quarterback even comes into the discussion with the Eagles unless hurts or wentz isn’t back. I do think the Eagles will scout these quarterbacks because it’s their job and they’re trying to gain info on them in case at some point they play them or they become available in the future.

As far as clay to work with... absolutely.  But, for someone to say that he's close to Wentz coming out... that's just rewriting history.  Lance has all the knocks Wentz did about the level of competition he played against and played with essentially the FCS version of Alabama... plus, he's got only 16 starts to 23, and he's much more a runner than he really is a thrower.   Nearly as many rushes as completions.  Almost half as many yards rushing as passing.   And his rushing average (6.5 ypc) is comparable to his ypa (9.7), that says something.   I'm not down on the kid, but he's not a plug and play type at all.

 

That said, with the proper coaching, he could be the best of the bunch.   (But he won't get that coaching here with this current staff, so the point is moot.)

6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Stafford had Megatron through half of his career

Who has Wentz had?

This question is dishonest. His point still stands. Wentz and his TEAMMATES won a SB. Not going to say carried. He was elite and a big reason why. So what did Stafford and Megatron win? 

11 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Trevor's got nothing on the stache according to this female reporter:

Sidenote....imagine if a male reporter made some kind of comment about a female athlete's appearance.  He would cancelled and never have a job again.

Amen and Awomen as the democratic prayer was ended today....

Just now, Magnifico said:

This question is dishonest. His point still stands. Wentz and his TEAMMATES won a SB. Not going to say carried. He was elite and a big reason why. So what did Stafford and Megatron win? 

Dishonest in what way?

Stafford and Megatron didn't win anything besides regular season stats(don't know if they still hold any still). Your point?

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

As far as clay to work with... absolutely.  But, for someone to say that he's close to Wentz coming out... that's just rewriting history.  Lance has all the knocks Wentz did about the level of competition he played against and played with essentially the FCS version of Alabama... plus, he's got only 16 starts to 23, and he's much more a runner than he really is a thrower.   Nearly as many rushes as completions.  Almost half as many yards rushing as passing.   And his rushing average (6.5 ypc) is comparable to his ypa (9.7), that says something.   I'm not down on the kid, but he's not a plug and play type at all.

 

That said, with the proper coaching, he could be the best of the bunch.   (But he won't get that coaching here with this current staff, so the point is moot.)

I think Carson Wentz was far more advanced as a passer and quarterback than trey lance. A lot of us forget when Carson came into the league we didn’t know if you would be able to adjust to the talent level but as far as thrower and playing the position of quarterback he was far more advance. Pep Carson‘s first three games he was using audibles at the line and you rarely see that from a rookie quarterback that early on their rookie season. It’s why we were so willing to trade away Sam Bradford a week before the season started was because we thought Carson Wentz was already ready to start. We thought he would have struggles at some point as a rookie because all rookies do. However we were comfortable where he was as a quarterback for him to start week one. I don’t see that with lance.

I really don’t think Lance and Carson Wentz is a good comparison of quarterbacks. Really the major thing they have in common is they both played at North Dakota State. But in terms of style and play i don’t think they mirror one another. 

14 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Trevor's got nothing on the stache according to this female reporter:

Sidenote....imagine if a male reporter made some kind of comment about a female athlete's appearance.  He would cancelled and never have a job again.

She knows she wants his johnson

4 minutes ago, Magnifico said:

This question is dishonest. His point still stands. Wentz and his TEAMMATES won a SB. Not going to say carried. He was elite and a big reason why. So what did Stafford and Megatron win? 

The biggest problem the Detroit Lions have had in Matt Stafford‘s tenure has not been wide receivers. They’ve always had good wide receivers. That’s never been the problem. It’s probably why he’s able to put some of the yards he has up even though the rest of their team has been basically bad outside of Stafford, WRs, slay and maybe a few others. 

The biggest issue the lions have had during his tenure has been their offensive line, defense continuously for a majority of his time being bottom half of the league and coaching. Carsons issue has been the Eagles haven’t given him great weapons on the outside and when they did they got hurt and coaching hasn’t exactly been great either outside of 2017

Just now, Sack that QB said:

She knows she wants his johnson

I don't know why but this made me think of Wilsons old girlfriend thinking she struck gold when he was drafted lol

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think Carson Wentz was far more advanced as a passer and quarterback than trey lance. A lot of us forget when Carson came into the league we didn’t know if you would be able to adjust to the talent level but as far as thrower and playing the position of quarterback he was far more advance. Pep Carson‘s first three games he was using audibles at the line and you rarely see that from a rookie quarterback that early on their rookie season. It’s why we were so willing to trade away Sam Bradford a week before the season started was because we thought Carson Wentz was already ready to start. We thought he would have struggles at some point as a rookie because all rookies do. However we were comfortable where he was as a quarterback for him to start week one. I don’t see that with lance.

I really don’t think Lance and Carson Wentz is a good comparison of quarterbacks. Really the major thing they have in common is they both played at North Dakota State. But in terms of style and play i don’t think they mirror one another. 

Nope.    

 

BTW... I just watched the highlights that were posted.  There were literally more RUNS than THROWS on that thing.   And most of the throws were just deep heaves over the top of the defense.  Not much in the way reading the defense and making the tough throw in traffic.  Just throw over the top to a receiver that was wide open.

 

But, that's not to say that there's not a lot to work with regarding Lance.  But, it's mostly conjecture.   It's why Mahomes lasted to 10.  The freelance needed to be molded a bit more.   And the runs where he puts his shoulder down to run over defenders... that works against DBs and LBs in the FCS.  That's not going to work for him in the NFL at 225 lbs, at least not if he wants to actually be a QB.  I don't want the franchise SHOULDER being used as a battering ram.  Bumps and bruises on a shoulder of a RB don't have a huge effect on their effectiveness.   Bumps and bruises to the throwing shoulder of a QB, absolutely does.

41 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Who says they be settling? You are assuming that they are settling. They are factoring not just ability but also reasonable pricing into the equation. They aren’t going  just blank check draft picks because they love a quarterback when they might also love other QBs. That’s not how it works. Which you are doing.

They might think Matt Stafford is better value than what the Eagles are making them have to pay to get Carson Wentz. Draft pick capital matters in this type of deal. If it was all things equal if Carson Wentz is gonna cost you a first and Matt Stafford was going to cost you a first as well then you would be right. But that’s not how it necessarily is going to work

They aren’t just gonna be like yeah whatever you guys want to give us Carson Wentz especially when they have other options they might also love and be cheaper. 

The problem with your theory is if you think just because they love a guy that they should pay any price due to their evaluation on him if they love him. They might have the same player evaluation on Carson Wentz and Matt stafford as saying both being great quarterbacks but one team is asking you for a ridiculous kings ransom where the other team is not. It’s pretty obvious if they think both are great (heck even think wentz is better) and one is asking for a kings ransom and the other is more reasonable in a second rounder they are likely going with the second rounder. 

All I’m saying is if they aren’t willing to give up a 1st then that should be telling of how they and probably the rest of the league views Wentz. 
 

If they don’t think Wentz is worth what Deforest Buckner is worth that should be telling. 

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Dishonest in what way?

Stafford and Megatron didn't win anything besides regular season stats(don't know if they still hold any still). Your point?

I don’t think it’s dishonest but I think using a quarterbacks record against winning teams like he’s the only reason that record exists is foolish. And I think using them against Matt Stafford and Carson Wentz is unfair to both of them.

Stafford has had good wide receivers. I’m not going to deny that. About the only thing the lions have gotten right when he’s been there. (The one year they had a chance to make noise they got screwed by the officials in Dallas and that was their best season in terms of defense, oline and coaching. That’s not been the Lions problem.) The Lions bigger problems have been they keep going through coaches who aren’t good a.k.a. Matt Patricia. Their defense for the better part of his career has been bottom half of the league. And their offensive line has continued to be problematic from the time he got there to now. 

Now Carson’s plight has been different. The Eagles have either given him poor weapons or they get hurt. This year Carson dealt with a poor oline, bad coaching and not great skill position players for large stretches. 

it’s why I wouldn’t use that statistic with either one of them. i think it’s a statistic where it puts blame entirely on just them when we both now it’s not just Carson here. 

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I don't know why but this made me think of Wilsons old girlfriend thinking she struck gold when he was drafted lol

That’s not a girlfriend, that’s a straight up Succubus. You can see her trying to eat his soul 

22 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Stafford had Megatron through half of his career

Who has Wentz had?

I also might take the top 6 WRs on their depth chart at the beginning of this season over any receiver the Eagles had the past 2 seasons.  In fact, the 8th WR listed on their depth chart before the season started was Travis Fulgham, who was our #1 receiver.  

45 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

It’d be foolish and ignorant to assume otherwise

Hardly.

15 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

All I’m saying is if they aren’t willing to give up a 1st then that should be telling of how they and probably the rest of the league views Wentz. 
 

If they don’t think Wentz is worth what Deforest Buckner is worth that should be telling. 

I don’t think those two situations are comparable in terms of Buckner and wentz. First off Buckner was coming off a tremendous year. Like pro bowl and then he had a very good year (statistically not as great but he still was playing at a pro bowl caliber level— bosa took some of his production away) so you are going to pay more for that. Second he is also younger than Carson Wentz. Third also has less injuries at the time of making that trade. Fourth Buckner is not making nearly as much money as Carson will be at the QB position to take the risk. fifth much more options at QB this offseason so less likely to overpay then Buckner where they options were less. This offseason might have Stafford, wentz, Matt Ryan all available all of whom have played at high levels in this league before. Last offseason the next best defensive tackle was Hargrave and DJ reader 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think it’s dishonest but I think using a quarterbacks record against winning teams like he’s the only reason that record exists is foolish. And I think using them against Matt Stafford and Carson Wentz is unfair to both of them.

Stafford has had good wide receivers. I’m not going to deny that. About the only thing the lions have gotten right when he’s been there. (The one year they had a chance to make noise they got screwed by the officials in Dallas and that was their best season in terms of defense, oline and coaching. That’s not been the Lions problem.) The Lions bigger problems have been they keep going through coaches who aren’t good a.k.a. Matt Patricia. Their defense for the better part of his career has been bottom half of the league. And their offensive line has continued to be problematic from the time he got there to now. 

Now Carson’s plight has been different. The Eagles have either given him poor weapons or they get hurt. This year Carson dealt with a poor oline, bad coaching and not great skill position players for large stretches. 

it’s why I wouldn’t use that statistic with either one of them. i think it’s a statistic where it puts blame entirely on just them when we both now it’s not just Carson here. 

I'm not in that argument lol

 I just noted how Stafford had a HoFer to throw to and Wentz has had jackshit. Don't mind me. I'm just a little frustrated at our WR drafting capacity 

I hate Howie

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That’s not a girlfriend, that’s a straight up Succubus. You can see her trying to eat his soul 

 I'm out of likes for the day, but that look she gives him when she turns back left......

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I'm not in that argument lol

 I just noted how Stafford had a HoFer to throw to and Wentz has had jackshit. Don't mind me. I'm just a little frustrated at our WR drafting capacity 

I hate Howie

I’m in agreement with you I look at it this way the weapons over the last two years that Carson Wentz has been given to work with have not been good enough. I made that statement all way back before the season that going into the year the wide receivers plan was idiotic. And it played out exactly the way that I said it would

i just hate the statistic used against Stafford meanwhile it’s a stat that other quarterbacks can apply as well and it’s unfair to all of them. 

8 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Hardly.

Listen to what Chris Long says on his pod about it then. I don’t know what to tell you unless you have an agenda towards Doug 

3 minutes ago, hputenis said:

 I'm out of likes for the day, but that look she gives him when she turns back left......

2 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

Don't you remember when they gave up 2 firsts for Roman Gabriel?  The early to mid 70s until Vermeil arrived were just sad times.  Never a reason to be excited. 

 

I wasn’t born yet. 

27 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Amen and Awomen as the democratic prayer was ended today....

I thought it was a joke at first when my sister sent me a text.  Unreal.

18 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nope.    

 

BTW... I just watched the highlights that were posted.  There were literally more RUNS than THROWS on that thing.   And most of the throws were just deep heaves over the top of the defense.  Not much in the way reading the defense and making the tough throw in traffic.  Just throw over the top to a receiver that was wide open.

 

But, that's not to say that there's not a lot to work with regarding Lance.  But, it's mostly conjecture.   It's why Mahomes lasted to 10.  The freelance needed to be molded a bit more.   And the runs where he puts his shoulder down to run over defenders... that works against DBs and LBs in the FCS.  That's not going to work for him in the NFL at 225 lbs, at least not if he wants to actually be a QB.  I don't want the franchise SHOULDER being used as a battering ram.  Bumps and bruises on a shoulder of a RB don't have a huge effect on their effectiveness.   Bumps and bruises to the throwing shoulder of a QB, absolutely does.

Just my personal belief I actually think the best fit for him is Carolina. Because you have Teddy Bridgewater there and you can bring him along slowly so that when you get towards the end of the season you can insert him into the starting role and get him prepared for 2022 when you’re expecting to make a bigger jump. I also like Matt rhule as a coach and I don’t think he’s in danger getting fired anytime soon so you can afford to have him wait in the wings on the bench playing behind Teddy Bridgewater until he’s ready. That to me is the most ideal spot for him. You could make the argument for Atlanta if they keep Matt Ryan for a year and let him sit on the bench and move on from Matt Ryan at the end of 2021.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

You’re really starting to frighten me with your QB evaluations.  Mac Jones is not a first round talent; he has a similar lack of arm strength that Hurts has, and he’ll end up a 2nd round pick — probably late second.  
 

Stafford sucks and has a winning % of about .200 against teams with winning records.  He’s the Matt Ryan of Michigan 

You think Lance is a first round talent over Jones?  And I wouldn't pick either of them even in the first round.  But I would take Jones over Lance.

And Matt Ryan is also a top 10 NFL QB.  (Or at least was for most of his career).

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m in agreement with you I look at it this way the weapons over the last two years that Carson Wentz has been given to work with have not been good enough. I made that statement all way back before the season that going into the year the wide receivers plan was idiotic. And it played out exactly the way that I said it would

i just hate the statistic used against Stafford meanwhile it’s a stat that other quarterbacks can apply as well and it’s unfair to all of them. 

😂