6 hours ago, The guy in France said:

Third, how do you know what the Eagles intentions were ?  Don’t put words in their mouths that aren’t there cause you want to make up your narratives

Kurt Warner was a backup at one point end of your story

You mentioned Flacco and Rodgers, what rounds were their supposed replacement  QB’s taken ?

i apologize, I must’ve had you confused with RTK and Wentz’s supposed hurt feelings but I will remind you of your denial if I catch mentioning it. We good ?

 

 

I said in the originally post of it was my interpretation of it he wasn’t drafted to just be a backup. So either you missed that or see me say  "I’m betting it was never that” which is EssenItaly my opinion from the start. And my third thing was referring back to me saying "i said I don’t think he was”. So the narrative/opinion was based on that premise from the start. I didn’t put words in their mouth i alluded to it as my opinion they didn’t. And gave logic to why it makes sense they didn’t and used the backup thing cause fans are gullible and would buy it due to the cap situation and wentz having injuries in the past. 

kurt Warner was signed as a cheap veteran backup. Your point with Hurts and Warner isn’t the same. they didn’t draft him as a high second rounder pick that could screw with Trent green. It’s an entirely different circumstance having a veteran backup from the arena league and spending a high draft pick on one. Great they were both backups at one point. That’s about where it ends in terms of the two and how they were acquired and played into the current starters role. 

bohm was second round and rodgers was in year 4 but he hadn’t started yet cause of favre so they had no clue what he was and he only had a year left on his contract. And Lamar was last pick of the first round because Flacco had declined for 3 years and had serious back injury in 2017 and was 33 at the time they drafted Lamar.  So again he was closer to the exiting of his prime and didn’t finish the season like wentz did at 27 in 2019. 

I’m fine with you but you responded to me and my whole premise in my first post you responded too was i don’t think they strictly drafted him as the backup  so that’s the premise and then your response changed it to he was only that. Again my opinion is i don’t believe that spin they are putting out there. Same spin that they said wentz was cool with it when it came out he wasn’t that cool with it

 

22 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think "why” would be the very next question out of McLane’s mouth. He has real sources. I’m dubious of BLG. He probably got the info fifth-hand or something so there probably wouldn’t be anymore info to glean. 

I’m not downplaying Buckner, but QB is the single most important position in the sport and he had an MVP season with the HC as the OC. If a 1 is too much for Wentz (if that’s the price), it would tell me they don’t believe in him or the risk is too much. 

Agreed on BLG. I don’t believe he even gets invited to the zoom pressers. So i don’t think he really is considered more than a blog crossing broad type journalist. Frankly i think Kyle scott likely has more connections. 

mclane has yet to detail the reasons why? You don’t find that curious he’ll put out there reich doesn’t want him but not add in the details? He leaves it very open to your own interpretation. I firmly believe he does that for a reason  

or the eagles could be asking for more than just a first rounder for him. We are simply assuming it is simply a first. The eagles may very well not be inclined to trade him like schefter and mortensen have both also said. Maybe the price is more than a 1st rounder and way more than a first. 

22 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Now we just need to trade Hurts too.  

Take the nuclear option and blow up the whole team lol 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Take the nuclear option and blow up the whole team lol 

I'd be down if there was a way to close shop and just become a Philadelphia expansion team and have our own expansion draft. 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'd be down if there was a way to close shop and just become a Philadelphia expansion team and have our own expansion draft. 

I’m for doing it anyway if they truly wanted to go that route. what young players besides possibly mailata, goedert, seumalo, sanders (i don’t think he’s a lock for being here long term), sweat, reagor (maybe), hargrave and maybe Dillard (assumption if you believe in wentz or not could add him to these players) do you really see being the core on this roster for when the rebuild is done? (My belief is if you draft correctly is after 2022 offseason). I view Barnett likely gone for the money, cox by then is declined, lane is declined, Brooks highly likely gone, kelce likely retired, slay out of his prime, maddox stinks, mcleod likely walks after this year, singleton is average.

I wouldn’t be all that upset if they hit the nuclear button traded guys like sanders and goedert for great value. Some guys forced to keep even with the nuclear option like lane due to not being able to avoid that massive dead money hit. 

56 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Whatever ends up happening there is no other way to describe it than as a complete disaster. It's almost comical how badly mismanaged everything was. Thank god they won a Super Bowl 3 years ago because I really doubt they will be close again with this current FO.

I’m guessing we don’t see another super bowl title from this organization for a while. It took them 13 years just to get back to the super bowl after their last one in 2004 and really before 2017 the only time they were really close was 2008 during that period of time. So it took nearly a decade to just get back to a nfc title game. It’s not easy but the eagles also from 2010-2020 went 91-84-1. That’s about 9 wins per season and that’s really skewed cause of the SB year. Without that one year they are 78-81-1. You can’t take that away from them cause they achieved it but i also think we can say that wasn’t really the norm of what we saw for a decade.

And if you don’t believe wentz is a franchise Qb then since 2010 they still haven’t found mcnabb’s replacement as a consistent year to year franchise QB so that doesn’t give you much confidence they would be able to somehow repeat the 2017 eagles by doing what they have over that decade or that they are competent or lucky enough to find one. Looks like that team was lightning in a bottle and the rest of the decade was more of the norm you got from the eagles. 

46 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

When you sign a contract the team holds your rights.

Wentz will only be traded if the Eagles decide it’s best to make that move, just like Deshaun Watson will only be traded if the Texans think it’s in their best interest.  I’ve heard quite a few people say Watson will still be in HOU next season, because McNair and Cesario make that decision — not Watson.

The Eisen clip you quoted is only him regurgitating the earlier reporting that Howie "is not hanging up the phone”.  That says nothing; it’s the GM’s job to take calls on trade offers.  If a team offered two 1st round picks and a 3rd round pick for Wentz, would Howie entertain it?  Probably.  I expect Howie to act in the best interest of the organization (whether or not he’s good at it is a different discussion)

I posted on here quite a few weeks ago that Howie doesn’t even need to make any calls; just wait for the phone to ring.  IMO he will get offers for both Wentz and Hurts.  Hopefully he and Lurie will make the correct decision for the long term interest of the team.

Which they haven't shown themselves capable to do. 

I actually believe the 2017 Eagles were one of the best teams the NFL has had, even if they were lightning in a bottle.  I think the 2020 Chiefs are better, but not 2019, not the 2018 Pats either.  And I think you’d have to go back several years to find a SB winner with a better single season resume.

You have a high performance car that you know can get the job done.  It's broken down a few times and as of late has had some mechanical issues.  Your mechanic, who helped you tune the car to peak performance as of late has been making some questionable decisions as to how to get the car back to running how it did when you first started driving it.  So you fire the old mechanic and his team of engineers.

The garage has invested A LOT of money in to the car using a credit card and now have a new mechanic, who along with his new team of engineers might be able to get that car back to tip top shape.

The owner of the garage and his significant other decided to buy you newer car that you already know can't perform like the last.  They could have invested in other tools that would have improved the garage and helped you fix the old car.  You were able to test drive the new car and because you were used to mechanical issues, it felt like a dream for the first few drives.  Then, the new car showed it's limitations and doesn't offer the same potential as your older high performance car.

There might be a few people who would love to have your older high performance car and have called asking if you might want to sell.  You have quite a few things to consider:

-Can the new mechanic bring the car back to its former glory?

-If you get an offer, is the sale price enough to offset the years of credit card debt you've accumulated?

-Are you satisfied with the new car and it's limited capabilities?

-Do you really want to go new car shopping when none of the cars are really that attractive?

 

Sorry for the dumb analogy but all the trade talk is making me crazy.  

 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I think they want Wentz back, and because Hurts would have such a small market, that would mean both returns. That brings another set of issues. Man, the Hurts pick was so bad. 

Yup the eagles Fed themselves in more ways then they could’ve ever imagined with that pick. Unless hurts winds up being a legitimate franchise QB it’s going to wind up hurting them way more than any good they thought could come from it. 

add on they knew they needed to do a rebuild last offseason. Decided to pull a 180 and change course according to howie. So knowing it was eventually coming and yet their belief was hurts strictly was just a good cheap backup (i don’t buy that) then why was that so important to get a cheap competent backup QB when you knew you were going into a rebuild and weren’t expecting to win anything big during that rebuild? You need a really good backup QB during a rebuild, i have yet to see other rebuilding franchises invest a second round picks for cheap backup QBs with a rebuild on the horizon or in a rebuild 

2 minutes ago, DumbleBear said:

Today , February 4, 2021, I care about as much about the 2017 Eagles as I do the 86 Mets. Don't get me wrong, the Straw man was hilarious and Keith Hernandez did more in an evening than any modern player would be permitted in a career, but sorry "it's got nothing to do with me" at this point. 

Honestly F the Mets 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

First Kurt Warner wasn’t drafted. He was signed as a free agent out of the arena football league and Trent green got hurt. 

How many times do we have to cover this.  You are not allowed to use facts to prove made up narratives false.

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

How many times do we have to cover this.  You are not allowed to use facts to prove made up narratives false.

I drafted Green 30 minutes before his injury in preseason in the 2nd round, that offense was ridiculous in preseason, so in the 5th round  I laughed at a buddy when he took Kurt Warner, guess who won that league? Dude was bagging groceries, ugh!

6 hours ago, Godfather said:

Lawrence and Wilson will have better careers then Fields. OSU QBs have bad NFL careers. Fields might not have a bad career but he won't have a good one. 

@Jenkins27 thought you might like this

Fields is the future!! 

At this point, I'd rather they trade both Wentz and Hurts. Trade up and grab Wilson. Start from scratch. 

49 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I actually believe the 2017 Eagles were one of the best teams the NFL has had, even if they were lightning in a bottle.  I think the 2020 Chiefs are better, but not 2019, not the 2018 Pats either.  And I think you’d have to go back several years to find a SB winner with a better single season resume.

Bro, I know you are old enough to realize how insane you sound. Dont tell me, you also think giannis antetokounmpo is the all time GOAT 🤭

What a truly important date in history 

 

9 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

At this point, I'd rather they trade both Wentz and Hurts. Trade up and grab Wilson. Start from scratch. 

Id love to hear why you and others want Wilson? Please dont give me a highlight reel. Even Jamarcus Russell had one of those. 

He played 3 years at BYU, only 1 season did he do well. Note to point out that one single season was during a Covid year that a lot of top players and teams did not play. He played no good teams at all on top of that. Its not like Burrow who at least played all top competitors. So why are people in love with this kid? 

I dont get the Fields love either. There has been zero Qbs come out of Ohio State and have any success at the next level. Why do we want to risk a top pick in the draft on that type of metric? 

There are no QBs drafting in this years draft in the first round. Im not even sold on pretty boy Lawrence. This is just a bad year to draft a QB. If anyone Id rather take a shot at Mac Jones in the 2nd round if he is there. But no way Im taking a Qb in the top 10 this year. 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I’d be down for trading both.  But not for Wilson.  

I'm really intrigued by his skillset. His throws are so effortless. 

The Colts have been very conservative in terms of their approach. Not wanting to overpay for Wentz doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't want Wentz. I do agree that if any team should feel comfortable making a move for Wentz, it's them. 

I still think the Bears likely make the most sense. Reunite Wentz/Foles!

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I’d be down for trading both.  But not for Wilson.  

Which QB would you take? Frankly I feel like after Lawrence the class has a very josh Allen, Rosen and darnold vibe to it. Where you have to hope you hit on the one and it’s likely one stinks and the other gets out into a bad situation. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Lawrence or Watson.  Even though Watson is a racist bish 

I am not going to even dignify that with a response... wait.

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Lawrence or Watson.  Even though Watson is a racist bish 

I’d give a ton for watson. However i don’t think the eagles have a package that a team like the niners could offer nor in a position too. If the report is true they want 2 firsts, 2 2nd rounders and 2 young players not sure the eagles fan nor will be able to give that. 

frankly if they deal wentz I’d just let hurts be the starter for a year to see what he is. We aren’t likely to be very good anyway. I rather use those picks to build up the rest of the roster and see where we are at QB next year. If i loved any of those three I’m for taking a QB. I don’t. 

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

Id love to hear why you and others want Wilson? Please dont give me a highlight reel. Even Jamarcus Russell had one of those. 

He played 3 years at BYU, only 1 season did he do well. Note to point out that one single season was during a Covid year that a lot of top players and teams did not play. He played no good teams at all on top of that. Its not like Burrow who at least played all top competitors. So why are people in love with this kid? 

I dont get the Fields love either. There has been zero Qbs come out of Ohio State and have any success at the next level. Why do we want to risk a top pick in the draft on that type of metric? 

There are no QBs drafting in this years draft in the first round. Im not even sold on pretty boy Lawrence. This is just a bad year to draft a QB. If anyone Id rather take a shot at Mac Jones in the 2nd round if he is there. But no way Im taking a Qb in the top 10 this year. 

Just based on the eye test. He's unbelievably smooth, both with his body and with his arm. His style of play is very Rodgers-esq 

Let's see what happens with Wentz, if he is indeed traded, then a full blown evaluation of the top draftable QBs need to happen.