3 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

My issue is a bunch of people never heard of this kid until a month ago when his name was popping up on NFL network as a candidate to be in the top 10.

So your opinion of a player isn't based on the player himself, but on the fact that people are now jumping on his bandwagon? That's why you dislike him???

Then all of a sudden people " love how smooth he was" lol. I asked why you liked him and that all I was given. 

Again, I didn't know that I needed to give you a detailed explanation. A detailed explanation seems even more ridiculous now given that your lack of substantive reasons for not liking him. 

You ladies can cream yourselves all you want over the kid and his smoothness. I know he wont be drafted by the Eagles.

He probably won't be.

Just like Fields, I see a extremely high rate of him being a backup at best within 4 years after the trail run is over.

He very well might be. There are plenty of reasons he might fail. There's a reason he's not considered a once-in-a-gereration talent (though playing during a Covid year isn't one of them).

I'll look you up in a few years after he gets his chances. I've been quite successful in the past on these thoughts. 

Hey look everyone, DeathByEagle is quite successful on these thoughts!

 

 

Mac Jones' ceiling in the NFL is a very good career backup. He doesn't have elite arm strength, his accuracy is okay, and he is terrible off script. He'll cave under pressure IMO.

1 hour ago, RLC said:

The Colts have been very conservative in terms of their approach. Not wanting to overpay for Wentz doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't want Wentz. I do agree that if any team should feel comfortable making a move for Wentz, it's them. 

I still think the Bears likely make the most sense. Reunite Wentz/Foles!

Reich may want Foles, since he led Foles to one of the greatest post seasons ever by a QB, all the way to the Super Bowl and they defeated the greatest dynasty in NFL history. 

7 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Mac Jones' ceiling in the NFL is a very good career backup. He doesn't have elite arm strength, his accuracy is okay, and he is terrible off script. He'll cave under pressure IMO.

His accuracy has been phenomenal and he just won a championship.  He doesn't have elite arm strength, agreed.  While I hate to be the QB equivalent of the armchair WR scouts who compare every slow WR to Jerry Rice, Michael Thomas, and Fitzgerald...Brady/Manning/Brees never had elite arm strength either.  His arm is strong enough to make all the throws.  

IMO, to be a HOF QB, one should have a strong enough arm to easily push the ball downfield and to make the vast majority of throws with velocity.  Short of that, having arm strength that enters RPG territory is just for showing off.

Very good career backup may be exactly where his future lies.  But I don't think it's fair to say that's his ceiling.  

40 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

You're crazy if you think that I'm going to write a detailed analysis explaining why I like him just to please you. If you want that, go to any of the countless draft profile websites. 

And again, you're complaining that I'm not "evaluating" him, yet your issues with Wilson apparently are nothing more than 1) him playing well during Covid and 2) having average stats during his first two years. 

I fully expect a detailed scouting report in my inbox on here by tomorrow afternoon at the latest. Thanks. 

7 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Mac Jones' ceiling in the NFL is a very good career backup. He doesn't have elite arm strength, his accuracy is okay, and he is terrible off script. He'll cave under pressure IMO.

Alabama hasn’t put a good QB in the NFL since Stabler, that and yes, Mac Jones doesn’t have a very good arm much like Trask. 

7 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

Reich may want Foles, since he led Foles to one of the greatest post seasons ever by a QB, all the way to the Super Bowl and they defeated the greatest dynasty in NFL history. 

I love Foles.  We all do.  But I think everyone, including Reich, realizes that it is not wise to hitch a season to the Foles wagon.  

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I love Foles.  We all do.  But I think everyone, including Reich, realizes that it is not wise to hitch a season to the Foles wagon.  

Yep. However, he's arguably the best career backup QB in the history of the NFL. 

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I love Foles.  We all do.  But I think everyone, including Reich, realizes that it is not wise to hitch a season to the Foles wagon.  

Likely correct.  I was hoping to slightly irritate Wentz lovers, that’s all. 

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

His accuracy has been phenomenal and he just won a championship.  He doesn't have elite arm strength, agreed.  While I hate to be the QB equivalent of the armchair WR scouts who compare every slow WR to Jerry Rice, Michael Thomas, and Fitzgerald...Brady/Manning/Brees never had elite arm strength either.  His arm is strong enough to make all the throws.  

IMO, to be a HOF QB, one should have a strong enough arm to easily push the ball downfield and to make the vast majority of throws with velocity.  Short of that, having arm strength that enters RPG territory is just for showing off.

Very good career backup may be exactly where his future lies.  But I don't think it's fair to say that's his ceiling.  

I think you'll be surprised to see his arm isn't as strong as you think. 

I believe the word around the Senior Bowl was the same thing- that he doesn't have the arm to push the ball down the field at the NFL level.

3 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

Yep. However, he's arguably the best career backup QB in the history of the NFL. 

You must be too young to know Jim Plunkett. 

37 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

 

You ladies can cream yourselves all you want over the kid and his smoothness. I know he wont be drafted by the Eagles. Just like Fields, I see a extremely high rate of him being a backup at best within 4 years after the trail run is over. I'll look you up in a few years after he gets his chances. I've been quite successful in the past on these thoughts. 

 

A lady never creams herself. See you in a few years and congrats on the successful thoughts. 

Dungy now piling on with the race-baiting, specifically mentioning Lurie.

Regardless of whether that claim has merit, it seems a bit tone-deaf coming from a homophobe.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/tony-dungy-calls-out-nfl-owners-hurting-our-league-hiring-cycle-choices

I'm really hoping the Eagles go with a youth movement and trade away anyone 30+ with value, aside from maybe the OL, because it'll be hard to evaluate any QB if you can't protect them.

And to me, rebuilds don't necessarily have to be painful. I mean, of course most rebuilds have losing. But I do think following a young team as it organically grows and improves from year to year can be a fun thing. Watching the development of individual players. It's actually one of my favorite things to do in sports. To watch a team grow when it starts out as a baby and then in however many years it's ready to contend for a championship.

Right now the Eagles have a weird mix of young guys who aren't all that special and veterans who will be past their prime when the team is ready to contend again.

2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Dungy now piling on with the race-baiting, specifically mentioning Lurie.

Regardless of whether that claim has merit, it seems a bit tone-deaf coming from a homophobe.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/tony-dungy-calls-out-nfl-owners-hurting-our-league-hiring-cycle-choices

I regret clicking that link.  Sick and tired of hearing about this.

 

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I'm really hoping the Eagles go with a youth movement and trade away anyone 30+ with value, aside from maybe the OL, because it'll be hard to evaluate any QB if you can't protect them.

And to me, rebuilds don't necessarily have to be painful. I mean, of course most rebuilds have losing. But I do think following a young team as it organically grows and improves from year to year can be a fun thing. Watching the development of individual players. It's actually one of my favorite things to do in sports. To watch a team grow when it starts out as a baby and then in however many years it's ready to contend for a championship.

Right now the Eagles have a weird mix of young guys who aren't all that special and veterans who will be past their prime when the team is ready to contend again.

1999 and 2016 weren't painful...they were borderline exciting.  

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

1999 and 2016 weren't painful...they were borderline exciting.  

In fairness you had two QBs you took at no. 2 and i would say more excitement then any QB they can take at 6 this year or hurts. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

In fairness you had two QBs you took at no. 2 and i would say more excitement then any QB they can take at 6 this year or hurts. 

This is true.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I regret clicking that link.  Sick and tired of hearing about this.

 

No point in clicking. Every time a 'black" coach gets hired it will never be enough. The next story will be why more are not hired. Its a one sided racist topic. Your either with the black lives matter movement or you are racist and need to be educated. Best to block it out and live life like it should be. All lives matter. 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

1999 and 2016 weren't painful...they were borderline exciting.  

Agree. I want to turn the page on this group and start a new era of Eagles football.

We may not have the new face of the franchise currently on the team and may not even get them in this upcoming draft, but we can start building the foundation at the very least.

Howie not withstanding.

One thing uniquely interesting about 2016; we had a franchise qb in year 1, were clearly not going to compete, had a first round pick, but not our own.  So for all us arm chair tankers, there was no draft position incentive. 

11 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He never mentioned Lurie in his letter.  That was NBCP making ish up as click bait.

Yeah, you're right. I read that pretty quick initially and it looked like the quote about Lurie was attributed to Dungy because it was in the same bolded font as the quotes from Dungy. Then I looked again after reading your comment and then noticed that the quote mentioning Lurie was actually the author referencing his own quote from a previous article. That is some sleezy reporting.

I still think it's ironic for Dungy to be up there pontificating about racism when he has bigoted views toward gay people. Something about glass houses...

23 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

I still think it's ironic for Dungy to be up there pontificating about racism when he has bigoted views toward gay people. Something about glass houses...

Dungy is 6’, played at Minnesota and is blaming race on his lack of NFL qb opportunity.  He got a head coaching gig at 40 and is blaming racism on not getting one sooner.  All coming from a confirmed homophobe..

Dungy’s bs is bad enough whether he mentions Lurie or not.

38 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I'm really hoping the Eagles go with a youth movement and trade away anyone 30+ with value, aside from maybe the OL, because it'll be hard to evaluate any QB if you can't protect them.

And to me, rebuilds don't necessarily have to be painful. I mean, of course most rebuilds have losing. But I do think following a young team as it organically grows and improves from year to year can be a fun thing. Watching the development of individual players. It's actually one of my favorite things to do in sports. To watch a team grow when it starts out as a baby and then in however many years it's ready to contend for a championship.

Right now the Eagles have a weird mix of young guys who aren't all that special and veterans who will be past their prime when the team is ready to contend again.

If the team trades Wentz, they should move every veteran they can with few exceptions. I could see the benefit of keeping some veterans like Kelce or Graham but they need to completely overhaul the roster. 

31 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Agree. I want to turn the page on this group and start a new era of Eagles football.

We may not have the new face of the franchise currently on the team and may not even get them in this upcoming draft, but we can start building the foundation at the very least.

Howie not withstanding.

My only concern is that the team ends up in a qb limbo because they don’t take a qb this season when they have a top 10 pick. Of course, turning the page will probably but them in a position to pick in the top 10 next season.