I don’t want Foles back.  He’s an unprecedented Eagles legend.  Let’s keep it that way.   I don’t need to see him go 3-13 for us next year.

good point eagle45, lets not tarnish his legend, and he is one by the way

13 minutes ago, austinfan said:

What the f--- are you talking about?

I gave McNabb's best stretch, when he was a "winning QB," to show that he was carried by that team as much as he carried that team.

Now he didn't have great WRs, he did have Westbrook, all pros on the OL and Chad Lewis.

and you stated he wasn’t a franchise QB because of the help around him during that period (to help him and he help them) and how he looked after that period.  You basically backhandedly gave him credit but basically then stated the fact the best QB in franchise history wasnt a franchise QB in his tenure here. And he has had the most success in franchise history at the position and for a decade. Did you not?  That’s the what the F I’m talking about. Even after his 2000-2004 run he is tied with nick foles for the most eagles starts in a nfc title game since then. I would say that’s pretty impressive that even when he wasn’t as good during the second half of his run he managed to get to one. This he wasn’t a franchise type QB but played in 5 nfc title games, a SB and has a legitimate credentials (not that he would get in— highly doubt that) for the pro football hof would likely disagree with you. 

honestly besides brees, Brady, Warner and Manning who doing 2000-2009 was a better?

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

It's really not as simple as that.

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I'm pretty sure this is a leak from the Eagles. 

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I’m not willing to bet on Wentz.  He looked too bad.  
 

But...yes, there’s a point to that.  If that many people ARE willing to bet on Wentz after how awful last year was, it shows you how horrible they think the situation is with the Eagles.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I’m not willing to bet on Wentz.  He looked too bad.  
 

But...yes, there’s a point to that.  If that many people ARE willing to bet on Wentz after how awful last year was, it shows you how horrible they think the situation is with the Eagles.

Yup. It’s why i brought up yesterday if you trade him and he goes on to be good again then Lurie isn’t going to take that lightly. First he’ll never hear the end of it. Second It shows how dysfunctional and bad the inner workings of your organization is to trade away that type of player in the middle of his prime or leading to the point where you had too. It’s a really awful reflection on the organization. 

13 minutes ago, Solomon said:

A little late here, but Wentz to Chicago and him having to play with Foles again would effing kill me. I mean, just beautiful. I do like the idea of Foles coming back because I love Foles, but it would just be too good for Wentz to have to compete with Foles. 

He would also have to be coached by DeFillippo again 

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I’m not willing to bet on Wentz.  He looked too bad.  
 

But...yes, there’s a point to that.  If that many people ARE willing to bet on Wentz after how awful last year was, it shows you how horrible they think the situation is with the Eagles.

You'd think if fans see it and other teams FO see it... then Lurie should see it and get rid of Howie but

Howie has the job for life

What benefit is there for us to trade Wentz? Even for a 1st round pick(likely mid to late). That means we likely have to use the 6th pick on a QB. That leaves the mid to late first to bolster the team. We wouldn’t benefit from the cap savings of having the QB on a cheap deal since we’re going to have to eat Wentz cap hit. Might save a bit of money 2022/2023 then we would have to extend him. 
 

So the equation becomes would you rather have:

1. Wentz and 6th overall pick to make team better

2. Rookie QB and mid-late first round pick to make team better

13 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don’t want Foles back.  He’s an unprecedented Eagles legend.  Let’s keep it that way.   I don’t need to see him go 3-13 for us next year.

I would like it cause then i could order an authentic foles jersey again and then try to sell it for a ton after he retired or leaves again and make triple ( like what they sell for on eBay)

BDN!!! LFG!!!!

5 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

It's really not as simple as that.

Glad u said it. It's a false dichotomy.  Statement.  It's a possibility those teams are all wrong and the Eagles are right. Answer remains to be seen. 

Howie does what no other person can for Lurie. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yup. It’s why i brought up yesterday if you trade him and he goes on to be good again then Lurie isn’t going to take that lightly. First he’ll never hear the end of it. Second It shows how dysfunctional and bad the inner workings of your organization is to trade away that type of player in the middle of his prime or leading to the point where you had too. It’s a really awful reflection on the organization. 

If they trade Wentz and he gets good again...

First off, I don’t think that happens.  I do blame some of this on Wentz.  His mechanics deteriorated to an amateurish level.  As much as we want to bash Doug, the position coaches, Reich’s departure...Wentz has already been shown the right way.  Someone was in his ear about it once.  Coaches change.  His inability to maintain form is also on him.  So I don’t think he’s going to rise to 2017 levels ever again.

But if it does...that’s what will get Howie fired.  Then Lurie would do it.

This won’t happen but no matter what I’d look to trade Hurts to the highest bidder. 

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If they trade Wentz and he gets good again...

First off, I don’t think that happens.  I do blame some of this on Wentz.  His mechanics deteriorated to an amateurish level.  As much as we want to bash Doug, the position coaches, Reich’s departure...Wentz has already been shown the right way.  Someone was in his ear about it once.  Coaches change.  His inability to maintain form is also on him.  So I don’t think he’s going to rise to 2017 levels ever again.

But if it does...that’s what will get Howie fired.  Then Lurie would do it.

Oh i don’t disagree wentz is also a major factor in this. I agree his mechanics have regressed to where they have and his performance. 

however i do think he can be good again depending on situation. I do believe in a place like Indy or especially SF with Kyle Shanahan and those weapons he can if he gets his mechanics straighten out.  

i want to agree with the last part but i feel like howie will have a fall guy in place. And lurie is as responsible at this point for this crap show 

14 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Hey at least he selected Metcalf... no wait Jefferson... no wait Earl Thomas.

Ok ok ok fine... there were lots of really good players he wanted to draft but rotten luck they all got taken before we were on the board. 

The point isn't about "luck," it's about retrospective analysis, did our scouts identify the right players. The other part of the analysis is why didn't we take the ones that were available to us.

But most of the analyses around here are off the mark, criticize Jones (injury gamble) then criticize them for not taking Metcalf (injury gamble). And where players get picked matters.

The worst pick was JJAW, even someone like Jones may be more a coaching than a drafting issue (Jones and Douglas were starters elsewhere to end the season). 

Over these weren't great drafts, but they were far from terrible - on average teams miss on 1/3 or so of 1st rd picks, half of 2nd rd picks, 60% of 3rd rd picks, 80-90% after that.

Third day you're looking for backups/ST guys, and Howie had great drafts in both 2016 and 2020 when he had a bunch of picks, nailing Vaitai, Mills, Mailata, Sweat, Driscoll and a number of other 2020 players who may become starters/top reserves.

Second day you're looking for starters/top backups, missed with Jones (though started elsewhere) and JJAW, Hurts looks like a solid backup QB (think an athletic Garoppolo), Sanders is a top starting RB (receiving makes him special) who needs to be more consistent, Goedert a top "true" TE, Seumalo a starting OG.

First rd you'd like to find impact players, especially inside the top 20 picks, Wentz was, Barnett not so much so far, Reagor and Dillard we simply don't know.

 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

If they trade Wentz and he gets good again...

First off, I don’t think that happens.  I do blame some of this on Wentz.  His mechanics deteriorated to an amateurish level.  As much as we want to bash Doug, the position coaches, Reich’s departure...Wentz has already been shown the right way.  Someone was in his ear about it once.  Coaches change.  His inability to maintain form is also on him.  So I don’t think he’s going to rise to 2017 levels ever again.

But if it does...that’s what will get Howie fired.  Then Lurie would do it.

It is not going to be shocking for Wentz to excel again at a new destination.  Despite his flaws, everyone can admit that he was working in a dysfunctional organization broken at its core.  

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

This won’t happen but no matter what I’d look to trade Hurts to the highest bidder. 

For what?  A 5th round pick?

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Oh i don’t disagree wentz is also a major factor in this. I agree his mechanics have regressed to where they have and his performance. 

however i do think he can be good again depending on situation. I do believe in a place like Indy or especially SF with Kyle Shanahan and those weapons he can if he gets his mechanics straighten out.  

i want to agree with the last part but i feel like howie will have a fall guy in place. And lurie is as responsible at this point for this crap show 

That’s the only thing that could jeopardize Howie.  Everyone needs a fall guy.  Howie can have infinite fall guys, yes.  But despite the lack of accountability of any owner, they still have their name and brand.  And once Lurie is getting dragged through the mud, he’s going to need a fall guy of his own.  And there can only be one...

2 hours ago, RLC said:

 

He will bite at anything   

8 minutes ago, IINorthStar said:

Glad u said it. It's a false dichotomy.  Statement.  It's a possibility those teams are all wrong and the Eagles are right. Answer remains to be seen. 

True, but it's also just not so black and white. It's about risk assessment. It's teams needing quarterbacks. There isn't a way to get one unless you're drafting in the top 5. 

There is obvious upside with Carson. You have to believe you can coach him back to the player he has been before. I don't believe it will happen.

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

That’s the only thing that could jeopardize Howie.  Everyone needs a fall guy.  Howie can have infinite fall guys, yes.  But despite the lack of accountability of any owner, they still have their name and brand.  And once Lurie is getting dragged through the mud, he’s going to need a fall guy of his own.  And there can only be one...

Honestly if you are of wanting howie out if this trade happens then cheering for wentz to be successful is likely the route to go. It would never be forgotten nor will howie/lurie live it down if he did particularly if they are still searching for a franchise QB for years after 

Still think a lot of what's out there is empty talk. Goff/Stafford deal you didn't hear a peep with supposedly 8 teams involved. With this you basically have Howie accidently texting reporters scoops followed by "oops. wrong person, sorry"