7 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

We'll probably never know, but I'd bet that it stems back to when we had a WR anonymously trash Wentz. Did the organization do anything about that? All indications point to no. If that happened on any other team, there's a decent chance that WR (as long as he wasn't a top 10 talent) would have been immediately released. Instead, the Eagles seemed to reward Jeffery with loyalty. 

And think about this even deeper. Jeffery didn't trash Wentz's play or talents. He trashed him as a person. He called him a bad teammate. If I was a franchise QB, I'd expect the organization to completely and totally have my back if something like that happened. Instead, we got random sound bites from Doug along the lines of "Wentz will learn from this." Other than some players, there wasn't a single person within the organization that publicly condemned Jeffrey (or even simply condemning the "anonymous" person). 

I think Hurts is just the last straw for Wentz. IMO, it ALL goes back to Jeffery. The organization handled that in the absolute worst possible way. 

Possible. I would agree that one of the last straw‘s was the Jalen Hurts selection. I think the straw that broke the camels back was probably behind the scenes between he and the organization that we don’t know of. The thing that irritates me the most is Roseman after they made the selection of Jalen hurts try to pass it off as Carson was on board. There was no way in hell I was going to believe any quarterback would be thrilled and happy that you took a quarterback in the second round. You don’t take quarterbacks in the second round to be back ups. You draft players who you expect to start for you at some point in the second round

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Don’t disagree i wouldn’t take him at 6. I wouldn’t take Wilson or lance in the top 10. But I’d be willing to bet 2 of the 3 of Wilson, lance and jones winds up going in the top 12 of this draft. 

I wouldn’t take the bet. There’s a really good chance all 3 along with obviously Lawrence go in top 12. Some Quarterbacks every year are no selected to early, this year will be no different.

15 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

His leg should be fine. He might even play in the National Championship on Monday.

I mean if it doesn’t affect his career long term. 

6 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

We'll probably never know, but I'd bet that it stems back to when we had a WR anonymously trash Wentz. Did the organization do anything about that? All indications point to no. If that happened on any other team, there's a decent chance that WR (as long as he wasn't a top 10 talent) would have been immediately released. Instead, the Eagles seemed to reward Jeffery with loyalty. 

And think about this even deeper. Jeffery didn't trash Wentz's play or talents. He trashed him as a person. He called him a bad teammate. If I was a franchise QB, I'd expect the organization to completely and totally have my back if something like that happened. Instead, we got random sound bites from Doug along the lines of "Wentz will learn from this." Other than some players, there wasn't a single person within the organization that publicly condemned Jeffrey (or even simply condemning the "anonymous" person). 

I think Hurts is just the last straw for Wentz. IMO, it ALL goes back to Jeffery. The organization handled that in the absolute worst possible way. 

Pure conjecture on my part — but if there is any truth to the story of a ‘fractured beyond repair relationship with Doug’ it boils down to 3 things:

1.  Hurts was a Doug pick that Howie went along with.  Doug’s immediate reaction to the pick tells me his hands were on it

2.  Doug didn’t tell Wentz he was being benched when Hurts took over; he thought it was a gadget play, then Doug just continued with Hurts.  Should Wentz have known there was a danger of being sat down?  Of course, but it didn’t make it easier how it was done.

3.  Fulgham got phased out as Jeffery got phased back in.  If there is truth to your assertion that Wentz dislikes Jeffery (wouldn’t surprise me) it’s quite possible he told Pederson he preferred to work with Fulgham, rather than bring Jeffery back into the lineup.

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Yup mean if it doesn’t affect his career long term. 

I think he just has an ankle fracture, right? I don't think it's anything that would hinder him long term.

2 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

I wouldn’t take the bet. There’s a really good chance all 3 along with obviously Lawrence go in top 12. Some Quarterbacks every year are no selected to early, this year will be no different.

I kind of think lance and Wilson are locks for top 15

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I kind of think lance and Wilson are locks for top 15

I think wilson is lock for top 10

If you know, you know.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I kind of think lance and Wilson are locks for top 15

We need Fields to go before our pick and hopefully a 3rd one, whoever it is. 

1 minute ago, Dwide Schrude said:

I think wilson is lock for top 10

I think so too. I think lance winds up going too 10

1 minute ago, Dwide Schrude said:

I think wilson is lock for top 10

Agree and I think there’s a shot at top 5. 

 

25 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Who’s your preference — Dylan Moses, Zevan Collins, Chazz Surratt, Nick Bolton?

To me both Collins and Bolton are intriguing.  Collins is 6'4" 260 so practically has DE size yet Tulsa had him playing both ILB and OLB while also having him rush the passer and drop into coverage.  He had 4 INTs in 9 games including returning 2 for TDs (one was a 96yd pick-6).  He looks to have good speed/burst for his size and says himself that lateral movement is his best attribute.  Bolton is only 6' though 235 so he's more compact and lacks length.  He does use his smaller stature to slip into OL gaps and to make it harder for OL players to block him.  He is a really quick sideline-to-sideline LB who is good at diagnosing plays and is supposed to be the best coverage LB in the draft.  Guess it depends what you want in a LB.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 

It is my fault:  I called out Beetlejuice.

Just now, Casey @ Bat said:

We need Fields to go before our pick and hopefully a 3rd one, whoever it is. 

I think field is pegged for two. Whether that’s the Jets or not I don’t know because Adam schefter made it sound like the Jets might keep Sam Darnold and trade that pic to get value for it or they could take fields and trade darnold. It could go either way. But I think fields goes number two overall. Miami is interesting. I don’t think they are unwilling to trade out for a team that wants to move up to get a quarterback. I also think Atlanta depending on what happens with Matt Ryan even if they keep Matt Ryan they might want to get their future quarterback knowing this is probably the last year of Matt Ryan in Atlanta. I also don’t think it’s out of the question that  Cincinnati is willing to trade back if a team is willing to move up like Carolina to get to five to draft a quarterback and leapfrog the Lions

12 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

When’s the last time a non QB/RB won the Heisman?

edit: found my answer. Woodson in ‘97

Who was the last Heisman we drafted?

2 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

 

So we should watch out for Texans cheating and using loopholes?

14 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Pure conjecture on my part — but if there is any truth to the story of a ‘fractured beyond repair relationship with Doug’ it boils down to 3 things:

1.  Hurts was a Doug pick that Howie went along with.  Doug’s immediate reaction to the pick tells me his hands were on it

2.  Doug didn’t tell Wentz he was being benched when Hurts took over; he thought it was a gadget play, then Doug just continued with Hurts.  Should Wentz have known there was a danger of being sat down?  Of course, but it didn’t make it easier how it was done.

3.  Fulgham got phased out as Jeffery got phased back in.  If there is truth to your assertion that Wentz dislikes Jeffery (wouldn’t surprise me) it’s quite possible he told Pederson he preferred to work with Fulgham, rather than bring Jeffery back into the lineup.

 

Meh.  I highly doubt there's this much drama.  I think most of that stuff was reported/over reported by the media as fact....but like you said, in realty it's conjecture and mostly based off "assumptions".

There might be a little fire where there's smoke but I doubt it's anything like the "General Hospital" soap opera drama a lot of folks seem to think it is.  At the end of the day, Wentz wants to start and be the franchise QB and he wants that here and if he isn't guaranteed that here, he wants that guaranteed somewhere else.  Simple, really. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think so too. I think lance winds up going too 10

 

4 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

Agree and I think there’s a shot at top 5. 

I think this will be the first draft in a very long time, if it’s happened ever, that we could see three QB go in top 3 picks. Jags and Jets will most likely grab a QB, and there’s a few teams that would try and jump Atlanta & Philly (depending on Wentz) for a QB. 

3 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

 

I think this will be the first draft in a very long time, if it’s happened ever, that we could see three QB go in top 3 picks. Jags and Jets will most likely grab a QB, and there’s a few teams that would try and jump Atlanta & Philly (depending on Wentz) for a QB. 

McNabb year believe it happened ,’99?

5 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

To me both Collins and Bolton are intriguing.  Collins is 6'4" 260 so practically has DE size yet Tulsa had him playing both ILB and OLB while also having him rush the passer and drop into coverage.  He had 4 INTs in 9 games including returning 2 for TDs (one was a 96yd pick-6).  He looks to have good speed/burst for his size and says himself that lateral movement is his best attribute.  Bolton is only 6' though 235 so he's more compact and lacks length.  He does use his smaller stature to slip into OL gaps and to make it harder for OL players to block him.  He is a really quick sideline-to-sideline LB who is good at diagnosing plays and is supposed to be the best coverage LB in the draft.  Guess it depends what you want in a LB.

Yeah, I like both as well.  Bolton appears to have the better instincts at the position, while Collins has big upside with that speed on a 260 lb frame.  He’s not nearly the project that Davion Taylor was, either.

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Who was the last Heisman we drafted?

3 times we have:

John Huarte from Notre Dame in 1964 

Davey O’Brien from TCU in 1938

and they drafted first ever Heisman winner Jay Berwanger from Chicago in 1935

1 minute ago, Casey @ Bat said:

McNabb year believe it happened ,’99?

Yeah you’re right. It hasn’t happened since I started following the draft in 2010. And I don’t think it’s happened in any draft in the 2000’s

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Yeah, I like both as well.  Bolton appears to have the better instincts at the position, while Collins has big upside with that speed on a 260 lb frame.  He’s not nearly the project that Davion Taylor was, either.

Yeah, he's nowhere near as raw as Taylor (still wish we had gone with Akeem Davis-Gaither instead).  He started out in gymnastics as a kid, plus he's really smart.  Watching the highlight from that 96yd pick-6 (was in 2nd OT so won them the game) he was really moving and kept up a good head of steam for a while before pulling up a bit realizing nobody was going to catch him.  I wouldn't be mad at either, though I expect us to continue the tradition of not valuing LBs until Day 3.

 

Hurts has looked good, better than Wentz; who, save for a miracle offer, is here one way or another next season. The team needs to draft a QB. The question is: where. I'm gonna say 3rd rd or later. THAT'S what Hurts showed me.

He showed me that right now HE'S the starter on this team. We'll see next July if Wentz can look any better with the same pitiful coach that will make neither of these players better. THAT'S THE CRUX.

Howie's made some reaches that didn't pan out. But like it or not, HURTS DID PAN OUT. The foresight to see we might need him, was brilliant. And when Howie's picks go to other teams and play well, they're still bad picks? NO. Howie needs to give up draft involvement for reaching and then missing too often. But he's not as bad as he's being made out.

DOUG is the effin problem. He's making everyone around him look bad, and Wentz just piled it on. Half of this team doesn't want to play for Doug already next year. Ask Miles Sanders, who could've contended for a rushing title had he been given the ball. Doug has to go.