1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

There's about a 1% chance the Eagles pick a QB with the 6th overall pick, imo.  There's maybe a 5% chance they deal the picks they get for Wentz and move up IF they really want to pick a QB but I highly doubt it. 

Contrary to popular belief, I'm relatively certain the Eagles are still very high on Hurts and will give him at least ONE full season as a starter before they consider using 1st round draft capital on a QB.

I think that you're probably right, but when it comes to QBs, if they truly fall in love with one of these guys then I think they should/will pull the trigger. If you're in a position to grab a QB that you're high on (and you don't have a clear-cut franchise QB), I think you have to make the pick. Unless you completely bottom out in the upcoming years, you might not have this opportunity again. 

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Went to a super bowl

Yeah. But, he also helped tear the team apart.  His legacy is more negative than positive in terms of his Eagles career.  If he would've been more of a team guy, then we probably would've been more of a serious threat than we were from 2005-2007.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That doesn’t make his arm weak.  I said last night.  Sure he played against weak competition.  But also being at BYU doesn’t really pair him up with top tier talent on his offense.  He has the tools and would have been that much better if he played at a bigger program.  

No we agree about the arm. I'm just not that impressed living here and watching him to roll the dice at 6 on him. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Could be Reich’s agent, tbh. 

or his dry cleaner.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I’m still sticking with "I’m not watching”.  But we’ll see how that goes.  

I would do it but I’m guessing there’s likely nothing else on tv during it. 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I thought you were offended and defensive of AR.  And yeah. You.  Mr Politics. 

No just laughing. Yea I am. Haven't said a word since Nov 4th though.

1 minute ago, CaliEagle said:

Yeah. But, he also helped tear the team apart.  His legacy is more negative than positive in terms of his Eagles career.  If he would've been more of a team guy, then we probably would've been more of a serious threat than we were from 2005-2007.

Feel like what i see on Twitter and FB and on the radio as the years have passed that mcnabb has looked worse by the fans and TO in a better light. 

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

No just laughing. Yea I am. Haven't said a word since Nov 4th though.

Is that like AA where you count the days? Lol i kid 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Let’s do ten as mcnabb was the last franchise QB we had. 15 skews it cause of mcnabb A good portion of it. 2011, 2012, 2014 (when foles got hurt), 2015, 2016 (unfair cause rookie QB), 2019 (good portion of the season), 2020. There were also other problems with those teams but QB was an issue for long periods of time during. 

Vick was a solid starter in 2011.  Heading into 2012, Vick was still fine as a starter until he was injured, etc.  Foles was also fine as the starter heading into 2014 until he was hurt.  So let's combine 2012 + 2014 as 1 season.

2015 I'll give you a 1/2 season because I never considered Bradford "a franchise QB" but most Eagles fans did. 

And from 2016 until 2019 Carson Wentz was indeed the franchise QB of this team.  Injuries to franchise QB's happen and they will have their "up" and "down" games but Wentz was the "franchise" QB for those years.  

So that leaves 2020 which no one could have predicted....but technically Wentz was still the "franchise QB".

2 seasons out of the last 15 years.  That's not all too shabby, imo. 

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He would also have to be coached by DeFillippo again 

Is that where Flip is now??

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

BTw.  Where the F have you been?

I've been in here just not CVON. 

12 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Vick was a solid starter in 2011.  Heading into 2012, Vick was still fine as a starter until he was injured, etc.  Foles was also fine as the starter heading into 2014 until he was hurt.  So let's combine 2012 + 2014 as 1 season.

2015 I'll give you a 1/2 season because I never considered Bradford "a franchise QB" but most Eagles fans did. 

And from 2016 until 2019 Carson Wentz was indeed the franchise QB of this team.  Injuries to franchise QB's happen and they will have their "up" and "down" games but Wentz was the "franchise" QB for those years.  

So that leaves 2020 which no one could have predicted....but technically Wentz was still the "franchise QB".

2 seasons out of the last 15 years.  That's not all too shabby, imo. 

2011 he wasn’t solid they were 4-8 at one point and hurt some of the time. I completely disagree on that. He was part of their major problem. They got hot and it was fools gold at the end of the year. Vick was 7-6 with 18 tds and 14 touchdowns. thats Carson wentz this year minus the 7 wins  and he had 1 count them 1 rushing td 

foles wasn’t exactly great in 2014. He had 10 picks and 6 ints. They had 6 wins but really that’s cause their defense and special teams won a game against the colts. And foles struggled in some games after taking the cheap shot against Washington. And yes QB was a major problem that year that derailed their entire season  

I disagree 2015 Bradford sucked. That was a major issue and an issue where lurie made the decision they need to get a franchise QB. 

also 2016 wentz wasn’t a franchise QB yet. He struggled mightily after his first three games. He had 16 tds and 14 ints and a long slump when lane was out. That isn’t franchise QB play and their QB play definitely lost them some games but he was a rookie so i expected it  

You have 2018 have at it. I’ll give it to you  however wentz was 5-7 when left the team and everyone was calling for foles  

also you complained about wentz in 2019 saying you wish they kept foles and said he stunk until the last 4 weeks. So i don’t know how you conclude that’s franchise worthy when you basically went on a rant about it that season. 4 games doesn’t make a season. He was franchise level for 4 games. 

it definitely wasn’t two. That’s complete BS. And don’t use 15 years. I don’t care what happened over a decade ago with mcnabb. I’ve already said mcnabb was a franchise QB. This entire discussion you jumped in on was talking about since they moved on from mcnabb. So let’s go 10 years. Quit changing it to 15 when we knew mcnabb was a franchise QB

2010, 2013, 2017 and 2018. Yeah 4 out of 10 years even though they paid two QBs 100 million dollars. 

34 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I was kidding guys, calm down.

I still believe both suck though. Not a single QB in this class impresses me.

You're about the only person in the country that doesn't think highly of Trevor Lawrence.  The guy could have started for about 15 NFL teams two years running already. 

 

If this trade happens and the Eagles have 2 1st round picks I'm not taking a quarterback at #6.  I want Sam Howell in 2022.  Armed with 2 1sts the options really open up.  You can stil trade down from 6 to around 10 or so to pick up more picks.

Guys you can target with 6-10 you can be aggressive and look at Micah Parsons and Kyle Pitts.  Then with the 2nd 1st maybe you go Zaven Collins or Kardius Toney.  

Draft a guy like Ian Book in the 5th.  

I'm not sold on any of the quarterbacks in this draft however.  Bring in a guy like Tyrod Taylor, who I think Hurts could learn from.  Taylor was a dynamic runner at VATech and has stuck around for some time as stop gap starter and quality backup.  Hurts could benefit a lot learning how Taylor took care of himself as a running quarterback (as long as the team doctor doesn't try to kill him).

I just don't want the Eagles to feel the need to draft a quarterback just because they get rid of one.  

 

21 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

There's about a 1% chance the Eagles pick a QB with the 6th overall pick, imo.  There's maybe a 5% chance they deal the picks they get for Wentz and move up IF they really want to pick a QB but I highly doubt it. 

Contrary to popular belief, I'm relatively certain the Eagles are still very high on Hurts and will give him at least ONE full season as a starter before they consider using 1st round draft capital on a QB.

I agree with your second take, but the problem with that thinking is you're incredibly close to being able to get Wilson or Fields, who are clearly better prospects than Hurts. 

You don't win in the NFL without elite QB play unless your roster is stacked. We're so close to being able to draft one of those guys, that if they really like one of them, they have to do whatever it takes to get one of them

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

2011 he wasn’t solid they were 4-8 at one point and hurt some of the time. I completely disagree on that. He was part of their major problem. They got hot and it was fools gold at the end of the year. Vick was 7-6 with 18 tds and 14 touchdowns. thats Carson wentz this year minus the 7 wins  

foles wasn’t exactly great in 2014. He had 10 picks and 6 ints. They had 6 wins but really that’s cause their defense and special teams won a game against the colts. And foles struggled after taking the cheap shot against Washington. And yes QB was a major problem that year that derailed their entire season  

I disagree 2015 Bradford sucked. That was a major issue and an issue where lurie made the decision they need to get a franchise QB. 

also 2016 wentz wasn’t a franchise QB yet. He struggled mightily after his first three games. He had 16 tds and 14 ints and a long slump when lane was out. 

You have 2018 have at it. I’ll give it to you  

also you complained about wentz in 2019 saying you wish they kept foles and said he stunk until the last 4 weeks. So i don’t know how you conclude that’s franchise worthy when you basically went on a rant about it that season. 4 games doesn’t make a sense. He was franchise level for 4 games. 

it definitely wasn’t two. That’s complete BS. And don’t use 15 years. I don’t care what happened over a decade ago with mcnabb. I’ve already said mcnabb was a franchise QB. This entire discussion you jumped in on was talking about since they moved on from mcnabb. So let’s go 10 years. 

2010, 2013, 2017 and 2018. Yeah 4 out of 10 years even though they paid two QBs 100 million dollars. 

4 out of 10 or 4 out of 15 years is still far and away among the top 20% of NFL franchises...especially when considering they really didn't secure a permanent franchise QB after McNabb until the past 6 of those 10-15 years. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The point was none of them became a franchise QB. They had successful picks but none became that consistent franchise QB. and they found some competent backups/fringe starters. The point wasn’t well foles was a good pick or acquisition twice. It was do you believe they can find a consistent franchise Qb. They have shown they haven’t for a decade since mcnabb left. And they paid 2 qbs as if they were in Vick and wentz ans both if wentz is traded never became that consistent franchise QB even though they paid them like it. 

Name all the true franchise QBs, not some 2nd year QB with one or two good seasons, but a guy who has played at a high level for 4 or 5 years or more.

It's a small number at any point. Is Cousins a "franchise QB?"

These guys are really hard to find, Brady, Brees, Big Ben, Rodgers, Rivers, P Manning, etc. Even Eli was marginal in that role (played behind great defenses).

Mahomes may be one, give him a couple more seasons. Herbert? Who knows.

Good QBs are easier to find, and your best bet is to build a team to support a good QB and hope that either he exceeds expectations or lightning strikes. Flacco, for example.

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

4 out of 10 or 4 out of 15 years is still far and away among the top 20% of NFL franchises...especially when considering they really didn't secure a permanent franchise QB after McNabb until the past 6 of those 10-15 years. 

did you read? This whole discussion before you barged in was after mcnabb was trade. Quit bringing mcnabb years into. We already established he was a franchise QB and you didn’t have to worry. This is after he was gone. 

26 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

If Howie fleeces the Bears for two 1’s it’s out of the basement back to the penthouse again!

I'd be ready to re-annoint him as Trader Howie if he pulls this off.  That's a 2016/2017 style heist!!!

Give Hurts Chase and find a way to add more weapons, see what Hurts can do with actual WRs and a healthy OL. If Hurts stinks, we'll know he's not the guy and can go get someone else.

Unless of course Sirianni is just so bad that it's evident we can't properly evaluate Hurts in that respect, but that's a whole other conversation for another time. At that point just fold the franchise.

2 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

I agree with your second take, but the problem with that thinking is you're incredibly close to being able to get Wilson or Fields, who are clearly better prospects than Hurts. 

You don't win in the NFL without elite QB play unless your roster is stacked. We're so close to being able to draft one of those guys, that if they really like one of them, they have to do whatever it takes to get one of them

Like you said, only if they "really like" one.  Better yet only if they really love one.  Otherwise just wait and roll w/Hurts for now.  Maybe trade down to pick up even more assets for the future, which could be used to go up and get a guy they really love when they find one.

14 minutes ago, Solomon said:

Is that where Flip is now??

Yea, QBs coach 

Just now, Arsenal79 said:

Like you said, only if they "really like" one.  Better yet only if they really love one.  Otherwise just wait and roll w/Hurts for now.  Maybe trade down to pick up even more assets for the future, which could be used to go up and get a guy they really love when they find one.

I hope they like one of them a lot now, because if we go 7-9 next season, we're not going to be able to get into the top 5 for another one without selling our soul

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Name all the true franchise QBs, not some 2nd year QB with one or two good seasons, but a guy who has played at a high level for 4 or 5 years or more.

It's a small number at any point. Is Cousins a "franchise QB?"

These guys are really hard to find, Brady, Brees, Big Ben, Rodgers, Rivers, P Manning, etc. Even Eli was marginal in that role (played behind great defenses).

Mahomes may be one, give him a couple more seasons. Herbert? Who knows.

Good QBs are easier to find, and your best bet is to build a team to support a good QB and hope that either he exceeds expectations or lightning strikes. Flacco, for example.

Brady, Wilson, rodgers, mahomes, watson, brees, Big Ben, rivers (last three were til the end), Matt Ryan (won an mvp and go look at his numbers the two years later that followed. Mvp season 4900 yards 38 tds and 7 ints. 2018 4900 yards 35 tds and 7 ints).  
 

potentially next year if they do it again Herbert and josh Allen. And I’d argue dak as he’s consistently put up numbers every year since his rookie season even though people on here laugh at him.