24 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

I think that you're probably right, but when it comes to QBs, if they truly fall in love with one of these guys then I think they should/will pull the trigger. If you're in a position to grab a QB that you're high on (and you don't have a clear-cut franchise QB), I think you have to make the pick. Unless you completely bottom out in the upcoming years, you might not have this opportunity again. 

 

7 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

I agree with your second take, but the problem with that thinking is you're incredibly close to being able to get Wilson or Fields, who are clearly better prospects than Hurts. 

You don't win in the NFL without elite QB play unless your roster is stacked. We're so close to being able to draft one of those guys, that if they really like one of them, they have to do whatever it takes to get one of them

Fields and Wilson will likely be gone by the 6th pick.  That's why I stated that IF they really wanted a QB they would deal picks to move up to pick one.  That said, if they decide to go that route they better be ready to deal for Lawrence because I would be dismayed if they dealt picks to move up for Fields and/or Wilson.  

Lance will likely be available but his skill set is basically the same as Hurts' so I do not see them picking Lance at 6. 

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Give Hurts Chase and find a way to add more weapons, see what Hurts can do with actual WRs and a healthy OL. If Hurts stinks, we'll know he's not the guy and can go get someone else.

Unless of course Sirianni is just so bad that it's evident we can't properly evaluate Hurts in that respect, but that's a whole other conversation for another time. At that point just fold the franchise.

Why didn't they just do that for Wentz?

53 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

 

thats always been the minimum value Id expect. And there are idiots in here who didnt think he was even worth 1 first. 

Never use a top ten pick on a QB unless you're certain he's a NFL QB, and don't fall in love with athletes with big arms and 10 cent brains.

You can sign mediocre veteran QBS in FA and upgrade them by surrounding them with talent while you wait to find a long-term solution, but draft the next Gabbert and you wasted a prime draft pick.

4 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Like you said, only if they "really like" one.  Better yet only if they really love one.  Otherwise just wait and roll w/Hurts for now.  Maybe trade down to pick up even more assets for the future, which could be used to go up and get a guy they really love when they find one.

We don’t agree on wentz but definitely agree on this. Don’t draft a QB just cause you need a franchise QB. That’s how you draft one and get stuck with one for years even though you didn’t love that guy. 

frankly i don’t see the eagles just giving up on hurts after 3.5 games especially after they drafted him and said they didn’t want to miss out on him like they did with Wilson 

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Why didn't they just do that for Wentz?

Tried, Howie picked the wrong guys. Change two picks and we have Jefferson and Metcalf.

8 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Name all the true franchise QBs, not some 2nd year QB with one or two good seasons, but a guy who has played at a high level for 4 or 5 years or more.

It's a small number at any point. Is Cousins a "franchise QB?"

These guys are really hard to find, Brady, Brees, Big Ben, Rodgers, Rivers, P Manning, etc. Even Eli was marginal in that role (played behind great defenses).

Mahomes may be one, give him a couple more seasons. Herbert? Who knows.

Good QBs are easier to find, and your best bet is to build a team to support a good QB and hope that either he exceeds expectations or lightning strikes. Flacco, for example.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Brady, Wilson, rodgers, mahomes, watson, brees, Big Ben, rivers (last three were til the end), Matt Ryan (won an mvp and go look at his numbers the two years later that followed. Mvp season 4900 yards 38 tds and 7 ints. 2018 4900 yards 35 tds and 7 ints).  
 

potentially next year if they do it again Herbert and josh Allen. And I’d argue dak as he’s consistently put up numbers every year since his rookie season even though people on her laugh at him. 

So you're saying Rams gave up a lot for a QB who is NOT a franchise QB?

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

So you're saying Rams gave up a lot for a QB who is NOT a franchise QB?

I wouldn’t give up that much for Stafford. Frankly i think he’s better than what he showed with the lions and their oline and RBs for years have been an issue and someone brought up their defense was too 15 like 2 times. There’s a chance if mcvay is as good of a coach as everyone says he could be a franchise QB. I doubt it but i don’t think it’s out of the realm Stafford balls out with mcvay 

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Never use a top ten pick on a QB unless you're certain he's a NFL QB, and don't fall in love with athletes with big arms and 10 cent brains.

You can sign mediocre veteran QBS in FA and upgrade them by surrounding them with talent while you wait to find a long-term solution, but draft the next Gabbert and you wasted a prime draft pick.

What??? You win nothing with mediocre veteran QBs lol. You have to swing the bat at QBs that have elite upside. Don't give me examples to the rule. The teams with the best QBs have the strongest staying power in the NFL.

I want Zach Wilson. I see an Aaron Rodgers skillset. I have no idea if mentally he has the same ability, but if I'm a GM and that checks out, I'm paying the price 

Such terrible news about Andy's son.  

 

The guy has no luck with his two sons.  I think this might swing the game to Tampa.  I don't remember such a wild pre-Super Bowl story to go down since that Raiders player went AWOL prior to their Super Bowl against...the Bucs.  

10 hours ago, greend said:

Agree, that's why I wanted an answer from someone that isn't a hater

Hurts is not the long term solution to the starting QB problem.  I'm not a hater... of either of them.  Wentz needs to get his head right and hope that the body follows.  Hurts just doesn't have the arm for the NFL.  Sure, he's got a decent arm, but not a franchise arm.  He's mostly a runner who throws.   It would be better if he was a thrower that runs, but he's not.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Brady, Wilson, rodgers, mahomes, watson, brees, Big Ben, rivers (last three were til the end), Matt Ryan (won an mvp and go look at his numbers the two years later that followed. Mvp season 4900 yards 38 tds and 7 ints. 2018 4900 yards 35 tds and 7 ints).  
 

potentially next year if they do it again Herbert and josh Allen. And I’d argue dak as he’s consistently put up numbers every year since his rookie season even though people on her laugh at him. 

Dak and Ryan I'd argue are good QBs who looked better due to the talent around them. Imagine if say Wentz had Julius Jones the last few seasons!
Watson is still unproven, as is Mahomes and Allen, long list of young QBs who had a couple good seasons then got injured and/or went south.

Which proves my point, you may land one of these guys every couple decades, and picking high in the draft doesn't guarantee you anything, most flop.

Meanwhile, DAK and Warner, UDFAs, Brady 6th rd, Brees damaged goods, a times a QB falls into your lap.

Build a great team and hope to get lucky, otherwise find a good QB and elevate his game.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

did you read? This whole discussion before you barged in was after mcnabb was trade. Quit bringing mcnabb years into. We already established he was a franchise QB and you didn’t have to worry. This is after he was gone. 

Ah, I get it.  Even so, they basically went 4 years without a "franchise level" QB.  That's still very good.  Almost half the franchises in the league are in a perennial struggle to find a "franchise QB" almost every year.

As yourself this:  If every team in the NFL had a top 3 pick this year, how many of them would pick a QB with their pick?   At least half?  Maybe more? 

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Tried, Howie picked the wrong guys. Change two picks and we have Jefferson and Metcalf.

He drafted a QB in the 2nd round

He didn't try to help his QB. More like sabotaged him

6 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Dak and Ryan I'd argue are good QBs who looked better due to the talent around them. Imagine if say Wentz had Julius Jones the last few seasons!
Watson is still unproven, as is Mahomes and Allen, long list of young QBs who had a couple good seasons then got injured and/or went south.

Which proves my point, you may land one of these guys every couple decades, and picking high in the draft doesn't guarantee you anything, most flop.

Meanwhile, DAK and Warner, UDFAs, Brady 6th rd, Brees damaged goods, a times a QB falls into your lap.

Build a great team and hope to get lucky, otherwise find a good QB and elevate his game.

Well you spin it every time so I’m not shocked by what you wrote.

When you tell me mahomes a nfl mvp, super bowl MVP and is 27-1 in his last 28 games isn’t a franchise QB. And gonna finish top 3 in mvp again. I stop having a convo  with you. good job spindaro 

 

On 2/5/2021 at 7:11 AM, schuy7 said:

Is it mismanagement? Or is it a player underperforming? At some point, Wentz is to blame. Sure the team sucked around him, but he only made it worse. If he had played like a franchise QB, avoided 30 turnovers, we wouldn't be talking about mismanagement. Yes, it didn't make sense to use a 2nd for Hurts.

It's not the perfect comparison, but the Packers drafted Jordan Love and what did Rodgers do? Win the MVP. It's the same kind of "mismanagement", but the quality of player is the difference.

Wentz was awesome in 2017, but that's in large part due to a great team around him too. He just isn't a franchise QB. It is what it is.

It's only a disaster because we don't have a QB. It seems like a huge mess with Wentz and Hurts. That's what happens when you have two QBs. You actually have none.

Howie gave him that big contract which looks like a huge mistake right about now, that could be interpreted as mismanagement if caused by lack of due diligence. Anyways after listening to Eisen I’m convinced Wentz will be stuck with us. Lowie better not let him force us into a lowball trade, he’s got a contract

10 hours ago, Thrive said:

 

I honestly don’t know how this clown has basically nailed the outlook on the Eagles these past several seasons.

Every now and then even a blind pig finds a truffle. 

 

Please don't pollute this place with this horse-s.....

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Ah, I get it.  Even so, they basically went 4 years without a "franchise level" QB.  That's still very good.  Almost half the franchises in the league are in a perennial struggle to find a "franchise QB" almost every year.

As yourself this:  If every team in the NFL had a top 3 pick this year, how many of them would pick a QB with their pick?   At least half?  Maybe more? 

You think 4 years is good? That’s 4 years if i give you 2018. it really could be 3 as QB was a problem that year in many games. And they don’t make the playoffs without cousins choking. Furthermore that is 60 percent of the time QB was a problem for the eagles. So more often then not they had issues.

Disagree i think pandemic hurting the scouting and the talent behind Lawrence that it’s less than half unless they get Trevor Lawrence. 

10 hours ago, greend said:

Meh, wait until teams keep him in the pocket

Just watch the second half of any game he's played in.

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Such terrible news about Andy's son.  

 

The guy has no luck with his two sons.  I think this might swing the game to Tampa.  I don't remember such a wild pre-Super Bowl story to go down since that Raiders player went AWOL prior to their Super Bowl against...the Bucs.  

Maybe it says something about Andy Reid the father instead of Andy Reid the coach.  Guy has been dedicated to his coaching career and you have to wonder if maybe he wasn't always around for the boys.  I'm not saying that's the case but one has to wonder.  

Of course it's possible that they roll with Hurts and they don't draft a QB at 6. However, the fact remains that they drafted Hurts with the intention of him being a backup. That was their own evaluation of him. Now did this past year change that evaluation for the team? Possible, but I'd think it's unlikely. They probably view him as a top-tier backup and someone who'll hopefully develop into a starter. If that's how they view Hurts, and if they view Wilson/Fields/Lance as a legitimate starter, then they should pull the trigger. There's no guarantee that we'll be drafting this low again anytime soon. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You think 4 years is good? That’s 4 years if i give you 2018. it really could be 3 as QB was a problem that year in many games. And they don’t make the playoffs without cousins choking. Furthermore that is 60 percent of the time QB was a problem for the eagles. So more often then not they had issues.

Disagree i think pandemic hurting the scouting and the talent behind Lawrence that it’s less than half unless they get Trevor Lawrence. 

I'm simply comparing them to the rest of the league.  And yes, most NFL teams would be pleased with having a "franchise level" QB for every 6 out of 10 years.  They don't grow on trees. 

They compared Hurts to Wilson after they drafted him, if they take a QB at 6 then this scouting department/front office is completely broken, they made this bed and they better lay in it by just rolling with Hurts and attempting to draft talent around him 

55 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He apparently told police he had 3 or 4 drinks 

which means 8 or 10

1 minute ago, Fhalbig22 said:

They compared Hurts to Wilson after they drafted him, if they take a QB at 6 then this scouting department/front office is completely broken, they made this bed and they better lay in it by just rolling with Hurts and attempting to draft talent around him 

The organization using the comp of another player doesn't mean that they believe he's actually as good as the other player. If they truly believed he was the second coming of Wilson, they wouldn't have waited until the second round to draft him.