4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I simply comparing them to the rest of the league.  And yes, most NFL teams would be pleased with having a "franchise level" QB for every 6 out of 10 years.  They don't grow on trees. 

I wouldn’t call 2018 franchise level. I’d call it competent. Vick 2010, foles 2013 and wentz 2017 and last four games 2019 is franchise level. Cause you are getting top 10 like QBing. So i take back the 4. It’s 3.

And Again still proves the eagles have yet to find consistent franchise level QBing since mcnabb left town. So again they don’t grow on trees and the eagles have had ten years to find that consistent franchise QB and haven’t (but apparently let Wilson slip through their fingers) so even more of a reason they are extremely unlikely to find one or i have the belief they can. Which goes allll the way back to the original discussion it’s very unlikely i believe the eagles find that QB 

Some of you guys, worrying that the Eagles will be in draft purgatory if they roll with Hurts for 2-3 years.  Do people actually think Hurts is good enough to win 7-8 games with this roster around him?  He’s a 4-13 or 5-12 QB in my estimation.

9 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Some of you guys, worrying that the Eagles will be in draft purgatory if they roll with Hurts for 2-3 years.  Do people actually think Hurts is good enough to win 7-8 games with this roster around him?  He’s a 4-13 or 5-12 QB in my estimation.

Especially after they have to gut a lot of the roster to just get below the cap ans our replacements aren’t much better if they are then those guys they are replacing. This team next year with a rookie head coach, rookie DC and a ton of young players likely playing significant snaps in a new offense and defense is likely going to be rough. This doesn’t even include kelce potentially retiring and whatever brooks and lane are after their injuries or if they can stay healthy. 

Wow this message board has completely written off Hurts already huh

8 minutes ago, Fhalbig22 said:

They compared Hurts to Wilson after they drafted him, if they take a QB at 6 then this scouting department/front office is completely broken, they made this bed and they better lay in it by just rolling with Hurts and attempting to draft talent around him 

I'd much rather roll them out of town.

The prudent course of action for the Eagles if they traded Wentz would be to draft QB at #6 instead of waste years with Hurts as starting QB, but there’s no way that would actually happen unless the Eagles had a new GM.  Can you imagine how stupid Howie would look if the Eagles suddenly changed course away from their 5-year starter AND their 2nd round QB in rapid succession?  
 

That would only happen with a complete regime change 

1 minute ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

Wow this message board has completely written off Hurts already huh

He was always drafted as a top #2/insurance/flippable asset

No one should view Hurts as a viable long-term NFL starting QB

Imagine if we trade Wentz to the bears for Foles 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The prudent course of action for the Eagles if they traded Wentz would be to draft QB at #6 instead of waste years with Hurts as starting QB, but there’s no way that would actually happen unless the Eagles had a new GM.  Can you imagine how stupid Howie would look if the Eagles suddenly changed course away from their 5-year starter AND their 2nd round QB in rapid succession?  
 

That would only happen with a complete regime change 

Are you really sure because the Eagles are pretty out there and some of the stuff they say and spin in press conferences is amazing. They literally had Doug Peterson being a press conference with howie roseman and then a week later fire him and had to go up to the podium and say his coaches were gonna be back and two days later they fired him. I don’t put anything past the Eagles. Add on they just paid a franchise quarterback and then decided in the second round it was a good idea to go to draft a quarterback and claim it as a cheap back up. Which I still don’t believe 

22 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

He drafted a QB in the 2nd round

He didn't try to help his QB. More like sabotaged him

If he doesn't take Hurts, he takes Chinn, maybe a RB behind Sanders. So exactly how would that have made a significant difference to the offense?

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

He was always drafted as a top #2/insurance/flippable asset

No one should view Hurts as a viable long-term NFL starting QB

Y’all writing off hurts after 3 1/2 games as if he showed absolutely nothing is crazy 

6 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

Wow this message board has completely written off Hurts already huh

The more he is written off the better.  I believe Hurts is the kind of guy who is motivated by that.

Unlike the diva who had to be coddled like a spoiled child by everyone because of his mental weakness.

4 minutes ago, Br3 said:

Imagine if we trade Wentz to the bears for Foles 

If they were gonna do that they should have kept Doug.

Just now, Arsenal79 said:

The more he is written off the better.  I believe Hurts is the kind of guy who is motivated by that.

Unlike the diva who had to be coddled like a spoiled child by everyone because of his mental weakness.

Yup this

 

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

He was always drafted as a top #2/insurance/flippable asset

No one should view Hurts as a viable long-term NFL starting QB

I don’t view Jalen hurts as more than a marginal starting quarterback in the league as his ceiling if he ever reaches that. However I am 100% of the belief the Eagles had the plan in place when they drafted him in case things eroded or failed with Carson Wentz that they would have somebody in place who was groomed by the time they moved on from Carson. I 100% do not think they strictly drafted him to be a backup. Their plan in my opinion was if Carson failed or this happened they had a safety net in place where they had a quarterback they really like and thought with grooming him that be a franchise quarterback going forward. The fact that they said they didn’t want to potentially miss out on another Russell Wilson like they did in the past tells me they view him  really highly and more than just a back up quarterback in his career. 

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I wouldn’t call 2018 franchise level. I’d call it competent. Vick 2010, foles 2013 and wentz 2017 and last four games 2019 is franchise level. Cause you are getting top 10 like QBing. So i take back the 4. It’s 3.

And Again still proves the eagles have yet to find consistent franchise level QBing since mcnabb left town. So again they don’t grow on trees and the eagles have had ten years to find that consistent franchise QB and haven’t (but apparently let Wilson slip through their fingers) so even more of a reason they are extremely unlikely to find one or i have the belief they can. Which goes allll the way back to the original discussion it’s very unlikely i believe the eagles find that QB 

Out of all the things to be upset at the Eagles over, the QB position should rank near last on the list.  They made the right moves after the Vick/Foles/Bradford era to secure a franchise QB in Wentz.   And Wentz was that franchise QB for 5 years.  He could still be that "franchise QB" if he ends up staying and turns his career around but that doesn't seem to be the case atm.  That still doesn't take away from the fact that they secured a franchise QB when they needed one. 

1 minute ago, Arsenal79 said:

The more he is written off the better.  I believe Hurts is the kind of guy who is motivated by that.

Unlike the diva who had to be coddled like a spoiled child by everyone because of his mental weakness.

If Hurts pays attention and/or cares what random people on the internet say about him, then he's going to have a rough career.

17 minutes ago, Fhalbig22 said:

They compared Hurts to Wilson after they drafted him, if they take a QB at 6 then this scouting department/front office is completely broken, they made this bed and they better lay in it by just rolling with Hurts and attempting to draft talent around him 

Who takes post-daft hype seriously?

Hurts went #53, Wilson was a fluke due to his height, in a redraft he goes top 10. Eagles didn't really think Hurts = Wilson, that's quite but Hurts doesn't come close to having Wilson's arm.

Hurts has an average arm and good touch, which is enough IF he learns to read NFL defenses and make smart, quick decisions. You really don't have to throw over 30 yards in the air or hit the deep out, 90+% of throws are within 20 yards of the LOS, and if you have good anticipation, your WR will have separation before they run 30 yards (because that takes 4 seconds n the NFL, where you don't run in shorts from a track start, you run in pads standing vertical at the LOS waiting for the snap) or you better be looking elsewhere.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

If he doesn't take Hurts, he takes Chinn, maybe a RB behind Sanders. So exactly how would that have made a significant difference to the offense?

Seriously? Do you not believe a defense can help an offense?

Backups aren't even supposed to be in the game unless injury or the game is out of reach for one of the teams

47 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

You're about the only person in the country that doesn't think highly of Trevor Lawrence.  The guy could have started for about 15 NFL teams two years running already. 

I don't think Lawrence sucks. I don't think he's a bad prospect, necessarily. There are a lot of people that think he's in the same vein as Elway or Luck. I don't. I don't think he'll ever be what people think he will. I think his very best is middle of the pack.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I have no problem admitting that. We'll see what happens.

10 minutes ago, Br3 said:

Y’all writing off hurts after 3 1/2 games as if he showed absolutely nothing is crazy 

Hurts showed quite a bit, given the injuries and needing to start 3/4 of the way into a season, with no pre-season etc.  The offense looked better when he played.  The Cardinals game (although a loss) was probably the most exciting offensive game of the year.. 

Just now, Ace Nova said:

Out of all the things to be upset at the Eagles over, the QB position should rank near last on the list.  They made the right moves after the Vick/Foles/Bradford era to secure a franchise QB in Wentz.   And Wentz was that franchise QB for 5 years.  He could still be that "franchise QB" if he ends up staying and turns his career around but that doesn't seem to be the case atm.  That still doesn't take away from the fact that they secured a franchise QB when they needed one. 

really it should be last on the list? That’s the route you wanna go that it should be last on this. All season I heard you say quarterback is the most important thing on the field. Meanwhile 70% of the last decade they didn’t get franchise level quarterbacking and spent over $100 million on two contracts. That you’re gonna sit there all Fing season and talk  about the quarterback position being absolutely vital and getting that level of play is the utmost importance

this is absolutely amazing you. telling me that 2018, 2019 (until week 14) and 2020 Carson Wentz didn’t play like a franchise quarterback all season. But now in your argument you’re going to defend the Eagles and tell me he was a franchise quarterback for 5 years. So you all season stated didn’t really play all the great 2018.  he didn’t really play all the great 2019 except for the last four games and was awful this year. but now those five years were franchise quarterback play? Are you kidding me right now?

also If he does it somewhere else then they may look like dopes for trading him and him accomplishing it somewhere else. That gives me less faith in the Philadelphia Eagles finding one and actually knowing that he is one. 

4 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

If Hurts pays attention and/or cares what random people on the internet say about him, then he's going to have a rough career.

They all pay attention.  Anyone who says they don't is lying.  These guys grew up w/social media, unlike older people.

The question is how they respond.

9 minutes ago, Br3 said:

Y’all writing off hurts after 3 1/2 games as if he showed absolutely nothing is crazy 

Completed just over half of his passes, and scored on 2 of 22 second half possessions.  That is pretty much nothing.

3 minutes ago, Br3 said:

Y’all writing off hurts after 3 1/2 games as if he showed absolutely nothing is crazy 

3 1/2 games??  Hurts was visible on a national stage for 3 years at Alabama and another season at Oklahoma.  Let’s not pretend no one had heard of him before he was drafted by the Eagles.

By far, Hurts’ best is what he showed in his senior year at OU, where he put up comparable numbers to Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray.  Mayfield and Murray both were drafted #1 overall; Hurts was drafted #53 — don’t you wonder why that is?  It’s one abundantly clear reason — Mayfield and Murray possess the requisite arm talent to make all the throws on an NFL field (although Murray is highly erratic).  Hurts simply does not.

What Hurts showed in his 4-game audition this season is he can make exciting plays with his legs (everyone already knew that) and can do very little once the opposition shuts down his running lanes — even DAL shut him down with a historically-bad defense.