36 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

We'll probably never know, but I'd bet that it stems back to when we had a WR anonymously trash Wentz. Did the organization do anything about that? All indications point to no. If that happened on any other team, there's a decent chance that WR (as long as he wasn't a top 10 talent) would have been immediately released. Instead, the Eagles seemed to reward Jeffery with loyalty. 

And think about this even deeper. Jeffery didn't trash Wentz's play or talents. He trashed him as a person. He called him a bad teammate. If I was a franchise QB, I'd expect the organization to completely and totally have my back if something like that happened. Instead, we got random sound bites from Doug along the lines of "Wentz will learn from this." Other than some players, there wasn't a single person within the organization that publicly condemned Jeffrey (or even simply condemning the "anonymous" person). 

I think Hurts is just the last straw for Wentz. IMO, it ALL goes back to Jeffery. The organization handled that in the absolute worst possible way. 

The reason the team didn't bring the hammer down on Alshon is because everything in that story about Carson Wentz was actually true.

Occam's Razor

I was wrong on my previous post, Eagles never drafted Huarte in ‘64. He was drafted by Jets but then signed to the Eagles later. My fault on that. 
 

so last time Eagles drafted heisman winner was 1938. Could very likely change this year

4 minutes ago, macgregor said:

Hurts has looked good, better than Wentz; who, save for a miracle offer, is here one way or another next season. The team needs to draft a QB. The question is: where. I'm gonna say 3rd rd or later. THAT'S what Hurts showed me.

He showed me that right now HE'S the starter on this team. We'll see next July if Wentz can look any better with the same pitiful coach that will make neither of these players better. THAT'S THE CRUX.

Howie's made some reaches that didn't pan out. But like it or not, HURTS DID PAN OUT. The foresight to see we might need him, was brilliant. And when Howie's picks go to other teams and play well, they're still bad picks? NO. Howie needs to give up draft involvement for reaching and then missing too often. But he's not as bad as he's being made out.

DOUG is the effin problem. He's making everyone around him look bad, and Wentz just piled it on. Half of this team doesn't want to play for Doug already next year. Ask Miles Sanders, who could've won a title had he been given the ball. Doug has to go.

There’s a lot of interesting stuff in this post.  I’ll just go ahead and ask, what title was Sanders getting?

4 minutes ago, macgregor said:

Hurts has looked good, better than Wentz; who, save for a miracle offer, is here one way or another next season. The team needs to draft a QB. The question is: where. I'm gonna say 3rd rd or later. THAT'S what Hurts showed me.

He showed me that right now HE'S the starter on this team. We'll see next July if Wentz can look any better with the same pitiful coach that will make neither of these players better. THAT'S THE CRUX.

Howie's made some reaches that didn't pan out. But like it or not, HURTS DID PAN OUT. The foresight to see we might need him, was brilliant. And when Howie's picks go to other teams and play well, they're still bad picks? NO. Howie needs to give up draft involvement for reaching and then missing too often. But he's not as bad as he's being made out.

DOUG is the effin problem. He's making everyone around him look bad, and Wentz just piled it on. Half of this team doesn't want to play for Doug already next year. Ask Miles Sanders, who could've won a title had he been given the ball. Doug has to go.

This is my favorite anti-Wentz argument.  If this is the case, which it's not, where was the brilliant foresight when he signed Wentz to his mega deal?  It's the dumbest sequence of decisions I've seen in a long time.  

Just now, Alphagrand said:

There’s a lot of interesting stuff in this post.  I’ll just go ahead and ask, what title was Sanders getting?

Alright Henry still would've had it. But Sanders could've contended if Doug used him enough to win games.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

There’s a lot of interesting stuff in this post.  I’ll just go ahead and ask, what title was Sanders getting?

I was about to ask the same thing. 

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• Jared Allen, Defensive End – 2004-07 Kansas City Chiefs, 2008-2013 Minnesota Vikings, 2014-15 Chicago Bears, 2015 Carolina Panthers
• Ronde Barber, Cornerback/Safety – 1997-2012 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
• Tony Boselli, Tackle – 1995-2001 Jacksonville Jaguars, 2002 Houston Texans (injured reserve)
• LeRoy Butler, Safety – 1990-2001 Green Bay Packers
• Alan Faneca, Guard – 1998-2007 Pittsburgh Steelers, 2008-09 New York Jets, 2010 Arizona Cardinals
• Torry Holt, Wide Receiver – 1999-2008 St. Louis Rams, 2009 Jacksonville Jaguars
• Calvin Johnson, Wide Receiver – 2007-2015 Detroit Lions
• John Lynch, Safety – 1993-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2004-07 Denver Broncos
• Peyton Manning, Quarterback – 1998-2011 Indianapolis Colts (injured reserved 2011), 2012-15 Denver Broncos
• Clay Matthews, Linebacker – 1978-1993 Cleveland Browns, 1994-96 Atlanta Falcons
• Sam Mills, Linebacker – 1986-1994 New Orleans Saints, 1995-97 Carolina Panthers
• Richard Seymour, Defensive End/Defensive Tackle – 2001-08 New England Patriots, 2009-2012 Oakland Raiders
• Zach Thomas, Linebacker – 1996-2007 Miami Dolphins, 2008 Dallas Cowboys
• Reggie Wayne, Wide Receiver – 2001-2014 Indianapolis Colts
• Charles Woodson, Cornerback/Safety – 1998-2005, 2013-15 Oakland Raiders, 2006-2012 Green Bay Packers

 

 

1 minute ago, macgregor said:

Alright Henry still would've had it. But Sanders could've contended if Doug used him enough to win games.

2000 yards rushing? 

1 minute ago, hputenis said:

This is my favorite anti-Wentz argument.  If this is the case, which it's not, where was the brilliant foresight when he signed Wentz to his mega deal?  It's the dumbest sequence of decisions I've seen in a long time.  

Doug has ruined Wentz. He came here strong, and the only thing he's done consistently is gotten worse. Maybe another coach can reinvent him, but not Doug.

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

2000 yards rushing? 

One guy had 378 carries, the other 164. With less than half the carries what can you expect? Our passing game wasn't working all season and Doug could not come up with an alternative offense to save his career.

25 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

 

I think this will be the first draft in a very long time, if it’s happened ever, that we could see three QB go in top 3 picks. Jags and Jets will most likely grab a QB, and there’s a few teams that would try and jump Atlanta & Philly (depending on Wentz) for a QB. 

I wouldn’t be shocked 

36 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I think he just has an ankle fracture, right? I don't think it's anything that would hinder him long term.

We’ll see what our doctors have to say about it. 

Just now, macgregor said:

One guy had 378 carries, the other 164. With less than half the carries what can you expect?

I understand what you're saying but a RB will never get 378 carries in this version of the West Coast Offense.  The potential to get 200+ carries, 1000+ yards rushing and another 600-700 yards receiving is much more probable for a RB in this offense.  

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

 

4 players can get voted in?  I’d say Manning, Woodson, Lynch, and Calvin Johnson — although I think they make Megatron wait a little bit.  Maybe Clay Matthews, although I’m not sure what share of the vote he’s gotten in the past.

36 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

It’s amazing no one said this on draft night.....oh wait. 

Pretty much all of us said that. 

13 minutes ago, hputenis said:

This is my favorite anti-Wentz argument.  If this is the case, which it's not, where was the brilliant foresight when he signed Wentz to his mega deal?  It's the dumbest sequence of decisions I've seen in a long time.  

The drafting of Hurts was a season after the foolish (we agree) decision to break the bank for Carson.

Hurts was drafted right after Carson hurt the team, yet again, by making one of his patented reckless and stupid plays, which got him knocked out of the playoff game and forced us to rely on a 40 year old with a torn quad.

At that point, with his proven history of braindead decision making and the resulting series of major injuries, only a fool would rely on Carson Wentz with no backup plan.

Out of that list Manning is the only clear lock to make it in, Woodson behind him.

2 minutes ago, macgregor said:

Doug has ruined Wentz. He came here strong, and the only thing he's done consistently is gotten worse. Maybe another coach can reinvent him, but not Doug.

I just want to make sure I understand what brilliant foresight this was by Howie:

1) Doug begins to ruin Wentz.

2) Howie signs Carson to franchise multi-year extension, making him the franchise.  

3) Howie knows Doug is ruining Wentz, so he drafts Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round when the team had a plethora of other needs.

4) Wentz has his worst season, gets benched.  Jalen Hurts comes in and provides a spark for about 10 minutes, but he also regresses drastically in every game.  

5) Howie keeps Pederson, who will inevitably destroy Hurts too.  

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

4 players can get voted in?  I’d say Manning, Woodson, Lynch, and Calvin Johnson — although I think they make Megatron wait a little bit.  Maybe Clay Matthews, although I’m not sure what share of the vote he’s gotten in the past.

Definitely Peyton. It's possible they may make Megatron wait because of no rings

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Pretty much all of us said that. 

Yup. It shocked the hell out of the board. Didn't we also crash it? Lol

2 minutes ago, hputenis said:

I just want to make sure I understand what brilliant foresight this was by Howie:

1) Doug begins to ruin Wentz.

2) Howie signs Carson to franchise multi-year extension, making him the franchise.  

3) Howie knows Doug is ruining Wentz, so he drafts Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round when the team had a plethora of other needs.

4) Wentz has his worst season, gets benched.  Jalen Hurts comes in and provides a spark for about 10 minutes, but he also regresses drastically in every game.  

5) Howie keeps Pederson, who will inevitably destroy Hurts too.  

Makes you wonder if Lurie’s chauffeur asked him "WTF” on the drive home after the big meeting with Doug today 

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Definitely Peyton. It's possible they may make Megatron wait because of no rings

Yup. It shocked the hell out of the board. Didn't we also crash it? Lol

I didn’t see a single person excited by the pick. The most confusing draft moment I’ve had as an Eagles fan. And yeah, the board did crash lol

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Definitely Peyton. It's possible they may make Megatron wait because of no rings

Yup. It shocked the hell out of the board. Didn't we also crash it? Lol

My draw dropped when I saw the tweet from McLane. I thought it was a joke or something. I don’t remember many people at all defending that pick in here. It might have united us as a board for awhile after we took Reagor over Jefferson. 

7 minutes ago, hputenis said:

I just want to make sure I understand what brilliant foresight this was by Howie:

1) Doug begins to ruin Wentz.

2) Howie signs Carson to franchise multi-year extension, making him the franchise.  

3) Howie knows Doug is ruining Wentz, so he drafts Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round when the team had a plethora of other needs.

4) Wentz has his worst season, gets benched.  Jalen Hurts comes in and provides a spark for about 10 minutes, but he also regresses drastically in every game.  

5) Howie keeps Pederson, who will inevitably destroy Hurts too.  

Sophistry. 20/20 hindsight on signing Wentz is the ONLY thing that supports your claim. We had to pick Wentz or Foles, and we already knew that Foles was inconsistent. i was happy when we signed Wentz. The fact that Hurts beat the saints and looked good still allows you to use another sophist argument that somehow because he didn't play all season, he's no good. Just stop. Howie decides if we keep Pederson now? Lolol just GTFO

 

Wentz is gone why still fight 

1 minute ago, macgregor said:

Sophistry. 20/20 hindsight on signing Wentz is the ONLY thing that supports your claim. We had to pick Wentz or Foles, and we already knew that Foles was inconsistent. i was happy when we signed Wentz. The fact that Hurts beat the saints and looked good still allows you to use another sophist argument that somehow because he didn't play all season, he's no good. Just stop. Howie keeps Pederson now? Lolol just GTFO

 

I've noticed this getting used as a defense for Hurts since it happened. Do people honestly think we still win that game if Brees was playing instead of Hill? I'm genuinely curious