5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Not that I trust this guy as some kind of insider, but playing along for a moment... 

Can we even afford to take back Foles’ salary in a deal?

Yes.

2021: 4M - 4M guaranteed
2022: 8M - 1M guaranteed.

Foles + Hurts combined would make about 5.4M in 2021, which is very low for one starting QB. Even in 2022, they would combine for 9.6M. Foles would be cut/restructured at that point anyway. 

Guys, Howie is a consensus builder who simply has had the bad luck of relying on the wrong people at the wrong time. They failed him.

Just ignore the fact that not only is the final decision his, but that he hired many of those people he relied on to make those bad picks. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

Guys, Howie is a consensus builder who simply has had the bad luck of relying on the wrong people at the wrong time. They failed him.

Just ignore the fact that not only is the final decision his, but that he hired many of those people he relied on to make those bad picks. 

He's a victim of circumstances.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Yes.

2021: 4M - 4M guaranteed
2022: 8M - 1M guaranteed.

Foles + Hurts combined would make about 5.4M in 2021, which is very low for one starting QB. Even in 2022, they would combine for 9.6M. Foles would be cut/restructured at that point anyway. 

I had edited my response before your reply. I was surprised to see that number so low. 

2 hours ago, RLC said:

We had the best roster in the NFL that year and won despite losing key starters. That's not luck. 

Yes it is luck.  When you look at this team's track record under Howie Roseman, 2017 was most definitely luck.  They made a bunch of lucky signings which they've obviously never come close to replicating.

18 minutes ago, austinfan said:

You are fooling yourself if you think they hired an offensive coach and are then going to trade his starting QB without his input.

People have some really weird ideas about Lowie, they've been following local media far too much.

This will be a group decision, and Sirianni's opinion will carry the most weight.

Your fooling yourself if you think they hired an offensive coach and are then going to fire his staff without his support.

Oh, wait...

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Not that I trust this guy as some kind of insider, but playing along for a moment... 

Can we even afford to take back Foles’ salary in a deal?

Edit: It looks like his base salary is $4M if I understand Spotrac correctly (big if). 

Howie would just give him a contract extension.... through 2026... and the cap hit for 2021 would be $1M.  The cap hits in years 2024-2026 would be $5M each in prorated signing bonuses.  But don't worry, it's only a 3 year deal.  Those years at the end are just dummy voided years.  So they will take all that cap hit in 2024. They won't be able to cut Foles in 2023 to save money on the cap that year, because that's going to have a $20M salary, too.  That's the Howie way now.   All Hail Howie!

 

(don't believe me... check the Brandon Graham and Malik Jackson contracts - that's the exact structure)

The clowns in our front office had to have know that Wentz was going to have an issue with Hurts. And yet they did it anyway. Why?

We are clearly missing something about Wentz.

It has suddenly come to me. Afan is...

 

 

 

...Howie's father.

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Guys, Howie is a consensus builder who simply has had the bad luck of relying on the wrong people at the wrong time. They failed him.

Just ignore the fact that not only is the final decision his, but that he hired many of those people he relied on to make those bad picks. 

But, I heard from Jeffery Lurie's own mouth that there's 5 future GMs in that group that Howie is listening to... 🤔

Something isn't adding up.      

 

 

 

Oh wait, I figured it out.  Jeff Lurie has no idea what an NFL GM looks like!

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I had edited my response before your reply. I was surprised to see that number so low. 

Same. His low number makes acquiring Foles actually attractive. Foles is a good backup and a legitimate asset for us.

Still, a 1st/3rd would be a disappointing return for Wentz. Hoping for a 1 & 2.

 

23 minutes ago, austinfan said:

He's not a TE, he's a H-back. Jeez.

That's an important distinction, few TEs are impact offensive players (Witten, Gronk) but a really athletic H-back is more like a big possession receiver than a TE.

Most 220 lb WRs, even if they run 4.4 in shorts, lack the burst to get deep  off the LOS. It's one thing to have long stride speed, it's quite another to be an explosive player like DeSean.

So running a faster 40 doesn't mean a WR is going to more of a deep threat than Pitts.

Call Pitts whatever, at 64 years old, Graham caught 50 this for 8 tds, that’s with Robinson catching 100.   Pitts can do that in his sleep.   
 Actually looking at the Bears offense, why would they want worse QB play, that’s the bigger question?   

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Same. His low number makes acquiring Foles actually attractive. Foles is a good backup and a legitimate asset for us.

Still, a 1st/3rd would be a disappointing return for Wentz. Hoping for a 1 & 2.

Well... it would be a 1st/3rd and Foles.... So, it would theoretically appease some folks.   But, it would likely upset Hurts.   There is a statue of Foles outside the stadium.  That would be hard to deal with.

6 minutes ago, Thrive said:

The clowns in our front office had to have know that Wentz was going to have an issue with Hurts. And yet they did it anyway. Why?

We are clearly missing something about Wentz.

They knew Carson was a diva and wouldn't react well, but they couldn't possibly have realized how mentally fragile the guy truly is.  Who could have expected him to be this bad?

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

Same. His low number makes acquiring Foles actually attractive. Foles is a good backup and a legitimate asset for us.

Still, a 1st/3rd would be a disappointing return for Wentz. Hoping for a 1 & 2.

1st this year plus conditional 3rd next years seems like the most obvious way to go.  If carson somehow bounces back and plays well for the other team, the 3rd gets upgraded to a 2nd or even a 1st.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Well... it would be a 1st/3rd and Foles.... So, it would theoretically appease some folks.   But, it would likely upset Hurts.   There is a statue of Foles outside the stadium.  That would be hard to deal with.

Wrong.  Jalen Hurts isn't a mentally fragile diva like Carson Wentz.  It's more likely to motivate him than make him turtle like Carson did.

So, Carson is a diva now?   Just for the record, exactly how many QBs under the age of 30 have had a QB drafted in the 2nd round by their team and were happy about it?   Please name them all.  

How many QBs over the age of 30 have had a QB drafted in the 2nd round by their team and were happy about it?  Again... please name them all, I wouldn't want to be working with incomplete information.

1 minute ago, Arsenal79 said:

Wrong.  Jalen Hurts isn't a mentally fragile diva like Carson Wentz.  It's more likely to motivate him than make him turtle like Carson did.

Really?   Was he motivated at Alabama when he was benched?   Or did he get out of there at the first chance he had (without losing a year of eligibility)? 

14 minutes ago, Thrive said:

The clowns in our front office had to have know that Wentz was going to have an issue with Hurts. And yet they did it anyway. Why?

We are clearly missing something about Wentz.

I think there has to be. There's been reports for seasons now about Wentz so there has to be something more to all to this. That said, the Eagles are equally to blame for how this wentz down. 

5 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

They knew Carson was a diva and wouldn't react well, but they couldn't possibly have realized how mentally fragile the guy truly is.  Who could have expected him to be this bad?

1st this year plus conditional 3rd next years seems like the most obvious way to go.  If carson somehow bounces back and plays well for the other team, the 3rd gets upgraded to a 2nd or even a 1st.

Aside from Carson himself, what do you think is the bigger contributing factor to his poor play...

1) the drafting of Hurts or

2)different offensive line every week plus all the other injuries

REMEMBER this is putting Carson's own poor play aside for a moment and looking at everything else.

10 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

It has suddenly come to me. Afan is...

 

 

 

...Howie's father.

1 minute ago, ShutDownDB said:

Aside from Carson himself, what do you think is the bigger contributing factor to his poor play...

1) the drafting of Hurts or

2)different offensive line every week plus all the other injuries

REMEMBER this is putting Carson's own poor play aside for a moment and looking at everything else.

Don't bother with trying to have a reasonable conversation about Wentz with A79.  

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

So, Carson is a diva now?   Just for the record, exactly how many QBs under the age of 30 have had a QB drafted in the 2nd round by their team and were happy about it?   Please name them all.  

How many QBs over the age of 30 have had a QB drafted in the 2nd round by their team and were happy about it?  Again... please name them all, I wouldn't want to be working with incomplete information.

So, you see there was that one guy and then the other guy on that one team a few years ago. Oh! And then there was the big guy...what's his name...shoot. I can't remember his name but it had letters in it...Anyway, clearly it's not uncommon. 

1 minute ago, Freshmilk said:

Don't bother with trying to have a reasonable conversation about Wentz with A79.  

You're right but I've got nothing else going on right now, so I may as well just jump in the crazy pool.

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

There is a statue of Foles outside the stadium.  That would be hard to deal with.

Nah. This is BS. Not all guys are punk A** B******* Like Carson. 

I am not gonna believe it until it happens and still think it is all speculation.

But, this is going to wreck this team for years.  Not a chance Kelli comes back for this, so now you take Wentz 34 million dead cap and add Kielce dead cap hit when he retires, now you have 44 million in dead cap, and need a new center.

Graham, Cox, players who openly supported Wentz in the middle of this mess, are the gonna want to be here for a rebuild.

Dark times are ahead of Wentz is traded.