10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

So, Carson is a diva now?   Just for the record, exactly how many QBs under the age of 30 have had a QB drafted in the 2nd round by their team and were happy about it?   Please name them all.  

How many QBs over the age of 30 have had a QB drafted in the 2nd round by their team and were happy about it?  Again... please name them all, I wouldn't want to be working with incomplete information.

Really?   Was he motivated at Alabama when he was benched?   Or did he get out of there at the first chance he had (without losing a year of eligibility)? 

1) Who cares if he was happy or not?  Just another excuse you and your Washer friends make for his atrocious play.  Poor widdle carson, they hurt his feelings by drafting Hurts and that's the reason why he was the worst QB in the league last year lol.

2) When he was benched at Alabama, he didn't sulk or whine or complain or force a trade like Carson just did.  Instead he acted like a professional for an entire year, including coming in as a backup and bailing his team out when they needed him the next season after Tua got hurt.  After that he exercised his right to transfer, which would be somewhat akin to Carson leaving as a free agent, not forcing a trade while under contract for 4 more years.

Terrible argument and analogy but that's all you Washers have left.

9 minutes ago, ShutDownDB said:

Aside from Carson himself, what do you think is the bigger contributing factor to his poor play...

1) the drafting of Hurts or

2)different offensive line every week plus all the other injuries

REMEMBER this is putting Carson's own poor play aside for a moment and looking at everything else.

The biggest factor with Carson's poor play is Carson not working on perfecting his craft because he's either a) too stupid, or b) too stubborn to do so.  He makes idiot rookie mistakes in his 5th season and generally plays with low intelligence.  Don't even start about his terrible mechanics which have not improved 1 iota in 5 years.

Carson screwed Carson.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

I am not gonna believe it until it happens and still think it is all speculation.

But, this is going to wreck this team for years.  Not a chance Kelli comes back for this, so now you take Wentz 34 million dead cap and add Kielce dead cap hit when he retires, now you have 44 million in dead cap, and need a new center.

Graham, Cox, players who openly supported Wentz in the middle of this mess, are the gonna want to be here for a rebuild.

Dark times are ahead of Wentz is traded.

It’s dark times if Wentz is here or not. Graham and Cox are aging and this team needs a rebuild. May as well get started now. 

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I am not gonna believe it until it happens and still think it is all speculation.

But, this is going to wreck this team for years.  Not a chance Kelli comes back for this, so now you take Wentz 34 million dead cap and add Kielce dead cap hit when he retires, now you have 44 million in dead cap, and need a new center.

Graham, Cox, players who openly supported Wentz in the middle of this mess, are the gonna want to be here for a rebuild.

Dark times are ahead of Wentz is traded.

It’s okay. Take your time in coming to terms with all of this. Most of us have reached the acceptance phase already and are about to start moving on; we just need the trade announced.

It is what it is.

1 hour ago, What The F said:

If Wentz does get traded, what are the chances Howie takes a QB at 6?....

I still say zero. 

I don't see them taking QBs two years in a row in the top 2 rounds. They would have to trade Hurts as well if they draft one. Just makes no sense. 

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

I still say zero. 

I don't see them taking QBs two years in a row in the top 2 rounds. They would have to trade Hurts as well if they draft one. Just makes no sense. 

We have specialized in "no sense" lately.

5 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

The biggest factor with Carson's poor play is Carson not working on perfecting his craft because he's either a) too stupid, or b) too stubborn to do so.  He makes idiot rookie mistakes in his 5th season and generally plays with low intelligence.  Don't even start about his terrible mechanics which have not improved 1 iota in 5 years.

Carson screwed Carson.

This is true. But do you think he would have been as upset if he had been benched for Sudfeld?

My guess is he also saw Hurts as a threat and took his benching as pretext for the organization wanting Hurts to lead the team.

1 minute ago, Thrive said:

It’s okay. Take your time in coming to terms with all of this. Most of us have reached the acceptance phase already and are about to start moving on; we just need the trade announced.

It is what it is.

Best players are on the wrong side of 30. We are in cap hell so cut your losses get draft capital and burn next season. New younger team in 2022. 
 

4 minutes ago, Thrive said:

This is true. But do you think he would have been as upset if he had been benched for Sudfeld?

My guess is he also saw Hurts as a threat and took his benching as pretext for the organization wanting Hurts to lead the team.

Who knows?  The bottom line is that any real franchise QB would have risen to the challenge of a backup QB picked in the 2nd round.  Or at least not responded by becoming the worst QB in the league. 

9 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

The biggest factor with Carson's poor play is Carson not working on perfecting his craft because he's either a) too stupid, or b) too stubborn to do so.  He makes idiot rookie mistakes in his 5th season and generally plays with low intelligence.  Don't even start about his terrible mechanics which have not improved 1 iota in 5 years.

Carson screwed Carson.

None of that has anything to do with what I asked. To be clear I'm not saying you're wrong but what you posted is included in his poor play. 

4 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Best players are on the wrong side of 30. We are in cap hell so cut your losses get draft capital and burn next season. New younger team in 2022. 
 

Once we trade the diva our cap situation looks MUCH better.  That's $122M of cap from 2021-2024 that can be used for actual productive players.

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

You're fooling yourself if you think they didn't already address this in the interview process.  Also Sirianni's opinion absolutely 100% does not carry more weight than Howie's in the NovaCare Complex.  A big reason they hired him was the same reason they hired Doug, someone that wasn't being sought after by any other teams that wouldn't have the clout or desire to come in and challenge Howie on any thing.  

What coaching candidate, other than Meyers b/c he had real options, had the clout to challenge any GM?

Most coaching candidates are coordinators with no previous coaching experience, the retreads are on the street for a reason. Someone like AR comes available maybe once a decade.

The idea that they choose a "puppet" is silly, you think Smith has any leverage in Atlanta? If McDaniels wanted that kind of power, that would explain why no one would hire him.

You get leverage by winning, Doug after the SB had leverage for a couple years before he dissipated it by his inability to rebuild his coaching staff.

 

47 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Not that I trust this guy as some kind of insider, but playing along for a moment... 

Can we even afford to take back Foles’ salary in a deal?

Edit: It looks like his base salary is $4M if I understand Spotrac correctly (big if). 

Why the hell would they bring back Foles?

33 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

But, I heard from Jeffery Lurie's own mouth that there's 5 future GMs in that group that Howie is listening to... 🤔

Something isn't adding up.      

 

 

 

Oh wait, I figured it out.  Jeff Lurie has no idea what an NFL GM looks like!

Was just going to bring this up. Lurie bragged that Howie is surrounded by future GMs

29 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Well of course they're looking at it if they got a bidding war

10 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Nah. This is BS. Not all guys are punk A** B******* Like Carson. 

Why are you so angry?

Just now, ShutDownDB said:

None of that has anything to do with what I asked. To be clear I'm not saying you're wrong but what you posted is included in his poor play. 

Ignore him, hes a known Wentz hater. Funny thing is he keeps saying Wentz was so horrible but Hurts did not do any better. Only thing Hurts could do better was run the ball. Both had turnover issues, accuracy issues, poor decisions, and both took a ton of sacks etc. Both our QBs in the bottom 5 of the league tells you it was not just the Qbs themselves. A lot played a role in both of them sucking this year. But the Wentz haters fail to acknowledge it. 

3 minutes ago, ShutDownDB said:

None of that has anything to do with what I asked. To be clear I'm not saying you're wrong but what you posted is included in his poor play. 

Who knows?  We'll probably learn more after he gets dealt and the Eagles release all the dirty laundry via media leaks.  To me its pretty obvious the guy was mentally checked out coming into the season.  Whether that was pique over the team drafting Hurts, losing interest in football while playing house, a combination, or some other factor(s) is unclear.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Why the hell would they bring back Foles?

Was just going to bring this up. Lurie bragged that Howie is surrounded by future GMs

Well of course they're looking at it if they got a bidding war

Why are you so angry?

He had a worse year then Wentz if you look at the ratings. I wouldnt bring him back. I don;t think the Eagles would either. Why take on a older QB then Wentz? Your QB controversy wont end. It will just move to who is starting Foles or Hurts. I'm not buying what they are writing. 

 

25 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I am not gonna believe it until it happens and still think it is all speculation.

But, this is going to wreck this team for years.  Not a chance Kelli comes back for this, so now you take Wentz 34 million dead cap and add Kielce dead cap hit when he retires, now you have 44 million in dead cap, and need a new center.

Graham, Cox, players who openly supported Wentz in the middle of this mess, are the gonna want to be here for a rebuild.

Dark times are ahead of Wentz is traded.

And you expected the Eagles to make the playoffs this season?

Dark times are here no matter what, which is why Howie should ignore the cap ramifications for adding FAs the next two seaons and focus on adding young talent.

All part of Howies master plan to bring back Foles...

1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

Ignore him, hes a known Wentz hater. Funny thing is he keeps saying Wentz was so horrible but Hurts did not do any better. Only thing Hurts could do better was run the ball. Both had turnover issues, accuracy issues, poor decisions, and both took a ton of sacks etc. Both our QBs in the bottom 5 of the league tells you it was not just the Qbs themselves. A lot played a role in both of them sucking this year. But the Wentz haters fail to acknowledge it. 

No, I acknowledge the issues around the team just fine.  Unlike you Washers however, that is not an excuse for carson's atrocious performance.  As for Hurts, its different for a rookie making his first few starts to struggle vs. a 5 year veteran so-called franchise QB.  When said rookie outperforms that "franchise QB", that's a pretty sure indicator that he's not a franchise QB at all.

Just now, Arsenal79 said:

No, I acknowledge the issues around the team just fine.  Unlike you Washers however, that is not an excuse for carson's atrocious performance.  As for Hurts, its different for a rookie making his first few starts to struggle vs. a 5 year veteran so-called franchise QB.  When said rookie outperforms that "franchise QB", that's a pretty sure indicator that he's not a franchise QB at all.

Holy crap another person who understands basic common sense!

We need more post like this.

He was out shined by 2 backups. Would have been 3 but Nate is just terrrrrible

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Why are you so angry?

Not angry. Life is great man!

Carson just doesn't have that "it" factor. I will NEVER deny his talent level he has the tools. Just has no swagger nor is he a born team leader. Foles and we see now with Hurts they have it. Carson talent is better than both those players but Carson is awful when it comes to being a leader of men. The dude is soft.

Don't give me this 2017 TD after hurting himself. Plenty PLENTY of players get hurt and keep playing. Carson is Mentally soft. Dude can't handle any competition and is now crying wanting out instead of going into training camp and FIGHTING for his job like he should!

Carson believes he should be handed the damn keys.

1 minute ago, Sturm said:

All part of Howies master plan to bring back Foles...

Not sure why. 2-9 in his last 2 years. He had a worse QB ranking then Wentz last year. Not to mention you still have a QB controversy. No thanks, Id rather remember Nick holding up that Lombardi then seeing his last days here getting boo'd after 4 games and replaced by Hurts. 

I honestly don't see the harm of Foles backing up Hurts.

1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

Not sure why. 2-9 in his last 2 years. He had a worse QB ranking then Wentz last year. Not to mention you still have a QB controversy. No thanks, Id rather remember Nick holding up that Lombardi then seeing his last days here getting boo'd after 4 games and replaced by Hurts. 

o I know he is not coming back but Howie is weird dude. Nothing shocks me anymore with him. Honestly would rather purge the team of a lot of the vets and really embrace the full rebuild but it seems we are not there yet. Just feel we need a lot of fresh bodies and picks right now. Restart this right.