5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Might want to check that one again bud. Pretty sure he was not a UDFA. Think he was a third round pick. 

read what I responded to, I didn't say Dak was an UDFA.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

I honestly don't see the harm of Foles backing up Hurts.

Yea, that will go over well with the fanbase and not be a controversy at all 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea, that will go over well with the fanbase and not be a controversy at all 

Smart organizations don't care about that.

Of course, if you're saying we're not smart and thus will care about this, I'm with you.

Just now, RLC said:

Smart organizations don't care about that.

Of course, if you're saying we're not smart and thus will care about this, I'm with you.

Last couple years this organization is far from smart

@Ace Nova week 1 of the season

 

42 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Nah. This is BS. Not all guys are punk A** B******* Like Carson. 

Ok so then why is Carson a "punk ass ****" in your opinion?

20 minutes ago, austinfan said:

What coaching candidate, other than Meyers b/c he had real options, had the clout to challenge any GM?

Most coaching candidates are coordinators with no previous coaching experience, the retreads are on the street for a reason. Someone like AR comes available maybe once a decade.

The idea that they choose a "puppet" is silly, you think Smith has any leverage in Atlanta? If McDaniels wanted that kind of power, that would explain why no one would hire him.

You get leverage by winning, Doug after the SB had leverage for a couple years before he dissipated it by his inability to rebuild his coaching staff.

 

 

 

Doug had no leverage after winning the Super Bowl.  That's a big reason why he stood his ground and was more than fine with parting ways with the organization. 

 

Howie is a power hungry snake who demands a Jerry Jones level of authority over the team. 

 

You are 100% fooling yourself if you think Sirianni has any say over Roseman, especially since they already established int he introductory press conference that he does not. 

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

Smart organizations don't care about that.

Of course, if you're saying we're not smart and thus will care about this, I'm with you.

Smart organizations shouldn’t care so much about the fan base but they absolutely should care about controversy and dividing the locker room. This team desperately needs to distance themselves from 2017 and start a new era. Bringing Foles in would be clinging to the past. Then you will have the veteran presence on the team who obviously would prefer Foles vs the younger players would would back Hurts. It would be a mess.

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea, that will go over well with the fanbase and not be a controversy at all 

Since when has the Eagles cared about the fan base? Big deal another controversy this whole team is a controversy 

3 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Since when has the Eagles cared about the fan base? Big deal another controversy this whole team is a controversy 

Well maybe they should stop being a controversy?

52 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

1) Who cares if he was happy or not?  Just another excuse you and your Washer friends make for his atrocious play.  Poor widdle carson, they hurt his feelings by drafting Hurts and that's the reason why he was the worst QB in the league last year lol.

2) When he was benched at Alabama, he didn't sulk or whine or complain or force a trade like Carson just did.  Instead he acted like a professional for an entire year, including coming in as a backup and bailing his team out when they needed him the next season after Tua got hurt.  After that he exercised his right to transfer, which would be somewhat akin to Carson leaving as a free agent, not forcing a trade while under contract for 4 more years.

Terrible argument and analogy but that's all you Washers have left.

It's sad that you can't have a conversation without reverting to name calling.  That's extremely immature, and illustrates that your stance is based completely on emotion and not evidence.  It's even sadder that you can't cite even ONE precedent for what the Eagles did with Wentz.   Just give me one.  A 27 year old QB (I'll accept any QB under age 30 though, to make it easier for you to find one), a year (or even 2) after signing an extension, that has a QB drafted in Round 2 (I could extend that to Round 3 if you'd like), rather than putting another player AROUND him to help him succeed and live up to the contract.   Please... one example from history would be great.  Otherwise, it is not what Carson that's doing that's unprecedented (look no further than Houston to see a QB who is upset with the way his team has sunk the ship around him), but rather what the Eagles did that was actually without precedent.  

Wentz finished the season with not 1, not 2, but 3 PS players at WR at the end of the 2019 season, and the Eagles decide the answer is: injured old players returning and expecting them not to get injured, a raw first round rookie WR, and a bunch of late round lottery tickets were the answer to the massive problem at WR... but spent money at DT (which already was the richest position on the team) and CB (with draft capital and cap space)... while giving the offense little to nothing to help the biggest problem on the team.  What exactly should Wentz be happy about in terms of the way this organization has 'supported' him over the last 3 years?  Is he supposed to be happy with a broken down Desean, a backstabber and a bunch of JAGs (at best) at WR?  

 

His play fell off this year, but there was a LOT of dysfunction, not just sub-par QB play.  There was a lot of turnover at OL.  And the HC/play caller kept calling flanker screens that had about as much chance of going for a big gain (meaning more than 10 yards) as I do of jumping and being able to reach the Moon.   Watching his most dangerous weapon on offense be relegated to watching (Sanders) rather than utilizing him.  Wentz had his role to play (see the sig...), but the dysfunction of the season did not rise or fall with him.  He was just one broken cog (and yes, it's a big cog) in the entire broken down machine.   But, it doesn't matter how good a transmission is, if the engine is ceased in the car, or you are trying to try on 3 flat tires.   That was the Eagles' offense this past year.   Can you acknowledge that? 

Show me that you are capable of having a rational conversation about Wentz and use facts, not feelings.

 

 

BTW... there's nothing out there that Carson has DONE with regards to the team, that says he was doing anything other than acting professionally.  Quite the opposite.   Though he did refuse to speak to the media - but that's the right of any player after the season... and especially the right of the backup QB.

8 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Ok so then why is Carson a "punk ass ****" in your opinion?

Just my opinion of him. I’d give ya reasons but we’d just go round and round like it’s been since he was benched. Beating the ole dead horse if you will

38 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Who knows?  The bottom line is that any real franchise QB would have risen to the challenge of a backup QB picked in the 2nd round.  Or at least not responded by becoming the worst QB in the league. 

Name any real franchise QB that has had to?  Just find me one.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Well maybe they should stop being a controversy?

And at this point that stops how? Keep Carson well Hurts is still here and he gets to hear all season about his backup plus what ever fans are saying. Trade him and we talk about it till. We start winning again. So how do you stop it?

21 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea, that will go over well with the fanbase and not be a controversy at all 

No worries.   It wouldn't cause any problems.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Name any real franchise QB that has had to?  Just find me one.

Tom Brady...

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Name any real franchise QB that has had to?  Just find me one.

Ah poor Carson had to deal with a 2nd rounder boo hoo. God I can’t wait till this guy is gone so we can get over him and talk about other stuff. 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Tom Brady...

He was under 30?  🤔

32 minutes ago, austinfan said:

And you expected the Eagles to make the playoffs this season?

Dark times are here no matter what, which is why Howie should ignore the cap ramifications for adding FAs the next two seaons and focus on adding young talent.

Last season? In the NFC East? Of course I did. So did most.

2 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

And at this point that stops how? Keep Carson well Hurts is still here and he gets to hear all season about his backup plus what ever fans are saying. Trade him and we talk about it till. We start winning again. So how do you stop it?

You pick a QB, you build around him, you win games. It’s not some foreign or hard concept. You want to trade Wentz, fine. Then make Hurts the guy. Try to build a team around him. If he clearly isn’t the guy, you move on to the next guy. 

9 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Since when has the Eagles cared about the fan base? Big deal another controversy this whole team is a controversy 

And people really want to believe 2017 is more indicative of the last decade and we should have faith in them. They’ve been pretty much dysfunctional for most of the last decade and got a title because of one year they werent and everything the touched turned to gold. Meanwhile the rest of the decade it’s basically been leak after leak about the dysfunction and power struggles but overlook the other 9 years cause of 2017. 2017 is like the franchise QB that covers up all the warts but if the franchise QB is hurt or traded away all the wart become glaring. 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

He was under 30?  🤔

Didn't see that, sorry.

There's McNabb (Kolb in 2007, McNabb would have been 30 I think), Rodgers (Brohm in 2008), Alex Smith (Kaepernick).

If we're included RD1 picks, there's Brees (Rivers).

19 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Doug had no leverage after winning the Super Bowl.  That's a big reason why he stood his ground and was more than fine with parting ways with the organization.

Howie is a power hungry snake who demands a Jerry Jones level of authority over the team.

You are 100% fooling yourself if you think Sirianni has any say over Roseman, especially since they already established int he introductory press conference that he does not. 

You're missing the point, ALMOST ALL GMS HAVE THE SAME AUTHORITY AS HOWIE.

Name all the HCs with veto power over personnel decisions. Belichick, Carroll and who else?

1 minute ago, jwill2420 said:

Ah poor Carson had to deal with a 2nd rounder boo hoo. God I can’t wait till this guy is gone so we can get over him and talk about other stuff. 

Missed the point by about a mile.   But, that's ok.  

 

Rather than trying to actually put quality players on the field with Carson, they looked to bring in a player that either would take his job... or would put him at WR for a handful of snaps a game.   Either way, its not 'putting your players in the best position to make plays'.   It's just symbolic of the hubris of this organization that they are smarter than everyone else.  

Like bringing in Desean as 'the answer' to the WR problem, and overpaying him to do it, when no other team was even in the bidding.  Tampa would have cut him, and the Eagles could have picked him up cheaper... or they could have traded for him and kept him on the deal he had, which would have allowed flexibility at the end of last season when he proved what everyone knew... that injuries were coming.  

Or, putting huge money at DT, when the real money goes to the DE position.   Or... so many others...

The Hurts pick wasn't the root of this... it was the icing on the cake.  The final straw that broke the camel's back, if you will.   

Unless Greg Ward being the most prolific WR on this team over the last 20 games is somehow 'good enough' by anyone's standard?

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He was under 30?  🤔

Last century, I think.