Nick Foles:

2 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Why not just see what he can do this year use the two 1’s for blue chips and then draft a QB next year if he sucks? Odds are we are picking top 10 again next year as well. 

Small sample size, but the last few games is a preview of things to come because defenses started to adjust to him. I'd dump him for a pick now, but if Howie can talk the owner into dumping Doug and Wentz it wouldn't shock me if he talked him into the Hurts plan. Personally, I think it's dumb, but whatever. 

3 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

What are the cap implications of Wentz is traded soon? How much will he go against the cap in 2021 (if at all?). I’m no salary cap guru.

If they keep him he's on the cap in 2021 for $34M.  If they trade him away before his roster bonus in early March, he counts $33M of dead cap in 2021.  So we save $1M in cap this year by trading him away.  Plus we save an additional $95M over the next 3 years (2022-2024) by getting rid of him now.

1 minute ago, jwill2420 said:

As a back up I don’t think so. Now if he was the starter maybe but no way he get the call over Hurts. 

And you don’t believe as soon as hurts struggles or slumps the fans aren’t screaming for foles to come in and be the starter? And if he does play we create the controversy all over again. If they do it Hurts is basically going to get the Carson wentz experience first hand. Let’s see how it plays out. Would once again be great dramatic theater. This team isn’t doing anything the next couple years anyway so might as well. 

1 minute ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

100% agree, but sinks even more?  What is his value?   I'd guess a 3rd or later.  He hasn't shown anything to change his draft grade.

If they can get two 1st for Wentz maybe a late 2nd/probably mid 3rd? They can still maybe sell the last few games on being Doug's fault for not helping him succeed. Howie will probably blow the pick too. Maybe he'll get them another top 10 pick like people are saying. 

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Small sample size, but the last few games is a preview of things to come because defenses started to adjust to him. I'd dump him for a pick now, but if Howie can talk the owner into dumping Doug and Wentz it wouldn't shock me if he talked him into the Hurts plan. Personally, I think it's dumb, but whatever. 

Somebody showed where he's quoted comparing him to Russell Wilson yesterday.  Seriously!  I hope the best for the kid, but I have pretty low expectations for him.

Which of these QBs are ready to start day 1 in the NFL if we dump Hurts too? I don’t want Fields not saying he is a bust but the same gut feelings everyone around here has about Hurts I have about Fields.

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

A month or two ago I would have been really pissed to see Wentz traded. At this point, while I want him back in 2021, I’m pretty much dead inside when it comes to the Eagles. 

Whatever happens happens.

Yup.

16 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

I just don’t see the SIGNIFICANT COMPENSATION and I see $50 mil cap hit plus we used the 2nd pick in the draft on him. This trade would happen then because CW is forcing it but I don’t see how he can, he has a contract so end of story. You’re the lawyer you tell me ? Lowie should just tell him give it a year with the new staff and next year if you or us decides a change is needed we will try our best to accommodate whoever. Next year the hot is a more palpable $25 mil and I expect him to perform much better

He can't force a trade and isn't forcing one.  I mean he could hold out and not get paid.  He would be penalized and ultimately may have to pay back any bonus he received if his contract was voided.  I don't see that happening.  I think the reality is that the Eagles are getting substantive enough interest that trading a disgruntled player may make sense.  It kills the cap this coming season but it actually frees up space in 2022.  I do think if they don't trade him this year, he will be gone next season absent some super turnaround.  

20 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Aaron Rodgers didn't have a problem performing when the Packers picked Jordan Love in the 1st round.

Tom Brady didn't have a problem performing when the Patriots picked Jimmy Garoppalo in the 2nd round.

Brett Favre didn't have a problem performing when the Packers picked Aaron Rodgers in the 1st round.

Drew Brees didn't have a problem performing when the Chargers picked Philip Rivers in the 1st round.

Joe Montana didn't have a problem performing when the Niners traded a 2nd and a 4th rounder for Steve Young.

Alex Smith didn't have a problem performing when the Chiefs picked Patrick Mahomes in the 1st round.

Peyton Manning didn't have a problem performing when the Broncos picked Brock Osweiler in the 2nd round.

Alex Smith didn't have a problem performing when the Niners picked Colin Kaepernick in the 2nd round.

Etc etc etc.

For you and your buddies to pin Carson's atrocious play on the pick of Jalen Hurts to be a backup QB in the 2nd round is pathetic.

He really had some stipulations in that search too  
QB over 30 

2nd round pick

worry about the backup 

 

Now find me a super model who cooks and cleans under the age of 23 but over 18 with light red hair and 34 d Chest loves football beer and 3ways!  
 

Come on you can do it lol

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

If they can get two 1st for Wentz maybe a late 2nd/probably mid 3rd? They can still maybe sell the last few games on being Doug's fault for not helping him succeed. Howie will probably blow the pick too. Maybe he'll get them another top 10 pick like people are saying. 

If he can get a late 2nd or 3rd, he should grab it.  Somehow, I think it is too high....even if the blame his performance on Doug.  

1 minute ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Somebody showed where he's quoted comparing him to Russell Wilson yesterday.  Seriously!  I hope the best for the kid, but I have pretty low expectations for him.

I know the eagles said they didn’t want to miss out like they did with Wilson years ago. I believe Kurt Warner compared him to russell Wilson. I think that’s foolish as Wilson has a better arm and i feel like it’s the trendy thing if a QB has a similar skill set to Wilson to compare them as if they are going to be Wilson. Murray and hurts have gotten that comp the last 2 years. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

And you don’t believe as soon as hurts struggles or slumps the fans aren’t screaming for foles to come in and be the starter? And if he does play we create the controversy all over again. If they do it Hurts is basically going to get the Carson wentz experience first hand. Let’s see how it plays out. Would once again be great dramatic theater. This team isn’t doing anything the next couple years anyway so might as well. 

Oh believe me I don’t want Foles back. My original post was about the Eagles not caring about controversy 

1 minute ago, Sturm said:

not a leader of men

no swagger

mentally soft

those 3 alone are enough for me. we all saw it everytime foles and hurts came in to replace him. Team just worked better.

can we talk about after the 2017 season he was just 15-21 (i think) as the starter? That is not your elite QB

he is trending in all the wrong directions sense that 2017 season where a backup win him a ring.

But you referred to the team having the "it” factor with Hurts, and by association Hurts having the "it” factor.  Hurts doesn’t, and the Eagles don’t with him in there at QB.  They were 1-3 with Hurts; prorated to 16 games that’s a 4-12 team.  That’s not an "it” factor — if "it” is, I don’t want "it”

Hurts had an even worse stint at QB than Wentz by almost any measure.  He didn’t complete a decent percentage of throws, he looked awful against DAL and WFT in the last two games we saw him, he turned over the football just like Wentz, he made bad decisions, and he lacks the physical tools — that Wentz actually possesses — stronger arm, about 5” taller.

Some of you guys are projecting traits onto Hurts that just are not there.

25 minutes ago, RLC said:

Smith took his team to an NFCCG the following year.
McNabb took his team to an NFCCG the year after.
Rodgers took his team to the SB.

Some guys step up, some guys break down.

Some teams have better coaching and talent.  Rodgers, Smith, and McNabb were all also players with 10+ years of experience.  They weren't players going into year 5 on the 2nd season of a new deal.  I'm not saying Hurts motivated or distracted Wentz.  I just don't know but I'm sure it impacted his trust in the organization and his coaches.  

11 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Which of these QBs are ready to start day 1 in the NFL if we dump Hurts too? I don’t want Fields not saying he is a bust but the same guy feelings everyone around here has about Hurts I have about Fields.

Honestly none. It’s not a great class behind Lawrence. The only reason the eagles should take a QB next year is if they don’t believe hurts is the long term guy AND if they love one of the guys after Lawrence. I don’t mean well we don’t think hurts is the guy going forward and we could use a franchise QB. That’s how teams draft busts. You actually have to love the kid and believe he can be a franchise QB. 

I think people are going to be disappointed when they don’t take a QB this year. I’ve said this for a while they didn’t draft hurts to just be a backup. He was their backup plan if things eroded and failed with wentz. They believed he could be groomed to be a franchise QB. It’s why they talked about not missing out like they did with Wilson. They aren’t giving up on him after 4 games. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I know the eagles said they didn’t want to miss out like they did with Wilson years ago. I believe Kurt Warner compared him to russell Wilson. I think that’s foolish as Wilson has a better arm and i feel like it’s the trendy thing if a QB has a similar skill set to Wilson to compare them as if they are going to be Wilson. Murray and hurts have gotten that comp the last 2 years. 

Wilson is a pass first QB who can run.  Hurts is not that.  I am willing to give him this year, because this will clearly be a rebuild and the record may be ugly.  However, I'll bet this discussion isn't happening next year.  

I get not liking the Hurts pick, but IMO it's dumb to trade/dump him already.  You don't draft him as a finished product.  You draft him as a hyper athletic and relatively (to the rest of the QB draft class last year) young QB who showed steady improvement as a passer in college.  Will it work out?  Probably not.  But at this point you might as well see what you have instead of pulling the plug for a 4th round pick or whatever you could get for him.  I think it's silly to make too many judgements on a QB this early in their career.  

2 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Oh believe me I don’t want Foles back. My original post was about the Eagles not caring about controversy 

The eagles knowing they are in a rebuild likely see it as a chance to cash in on merchandise sales bringing back foles. Also appease a lot do the casual fan base to bring back a super bowl hero. 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

I honestly don't see the harm of Foles backing up Hurts.

Hurts sucks would be one reason. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The eagles knowing they are in a rebuild likely see it as a chance to cash in on merchandise sales bringing back foles. Also appease a lot do the casual fan base to bring back a super bowl hero. 

They don’t care about us fans. They care about our money. I don’t see that as a reason they bring back Foles but it wouldn’t surprise me. 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

But you referred to the team having the "it” factor with Hurts, and by association Hurts having the "it” factor.  Hurts doesn’t, and the Eagles don’t with him in there at QB.  They were 1-3 with Hurts; prorated to 16 games that’s a 4-12 team.  That’s not an "it” factor — if "it” is, I don’t want "it”

Hurts had an even worse stint at QB than Wentz by almost any measure.  He didn’t complete a decent percentage of throws, he looked awful against DAL and WFT in the last two games we saw him, he turned over the football just like Wentz, he made bad decisions, and he lacks the physical tools — that Wentz actually possesses — stronger arm, about 5” taller.

Some of you guys are projecting traits onto Hurts that just are not there.

I think it's difficult to see whether Hurts is a good QB or not because the play around him was not good.  Posters here that think he outperformed Wentz to some high degree are just delusional.  He played poorly with the exception of a few big plays.  He didn't look like anything other than a rookie QB on a bad team.  

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

But you referred to the team having the "it” factor with Hurts, and by association Hurts having the "it” factor.  Hurts doesn’t, and the Eagles don’t with him in there at QB.  They were 1-3 with Hurts; prorated to 16 games that’s a 4-12 team.  That’s not an "it” factor — if "it” is, I don’t want "it”

Hurts had an even worse stint at QB than Wentz by almost any measure.  He didn’t complete a decent percentage of throws, he looked awful against DAL and WFT in the last two games we saw him, he turned over the football just like Wentz, he made bad decisions, and he lacks the physical tools — that Wentz actually possesses — stronger arm, about 5” taller.

Some of you guys are projecting traits onto Hurts that just are not there.

i am not saying hurts has that it factor. I said the team played better.

i also said Carson has more talent that hurts

I never said Hurts has It factor. I referred that the team just played better with Hurts

Carson has Talent but doesn't have that it factor.

7 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

He really had some stipulations in that search too  
QB over 30 

2nd round pick

worry about the backup 

 

Now find me a super model who cooks and cleans under the age of 23 but over 18 with light red hair and 34 d Chest loves football beer and 3ways!  
 

Come on you can do it lol

Ideal Woman

6 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Ah poor Carson had to deal with a 2nd rounder boo hoo. God I can’t wait till this guy is gone so we can get over him and talk about other stuff. 

You can pick something else to talk about besides ****ing and moaning about Carson 🤷‍♂️

You don't have to complain about Carson all of the time