47 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

 

Texans immediately better than us 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Hahahaha.  Oh I don’t think so.  Too bad we can’t resurrect the old board.  But a lot of people were resigned to be ok with the pick and looked for multiple ways to justify the thought process behind it.  I and few others remained steadfast against the pick.   

Draft was with this board. Here's the thread

 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Hahahaha.  Oh I don’t think so.  Too bad we can’t resurrect the old board.  But a lot of people were resigned to be ok with the pick and looked for multiple ways to justify the thought process behind it.  I and few others remained steadfast against the pick.   

I tried to rationalize it to talk some people off of the ledge, but repeatedly said it wasn’t a pick I would have made.  I likely would have gone Kenneth Murray then Denzel Mims the way the board shook out.

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Hahahaha.  Oh I don’t think so.  Too bad we can’t resurrect the old board.  But a lot of people were resigned to be ok with the pick and looked for multiple ways to justify the thought process behind it.  I and few others remained steadfast against the pick.   

That was super annoying when people tried to Dave spadaro type of spin to it. 

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

I've noticed this getting used as a defense for Hurts since it happened. Do people honestly think we still win that game if Brees was playing instead of Hill? I'm genuinely curious

Do people honestly think Carson even wins a single game this year if:

1) Jimmy Garoppolo plays instead of Nick Mullens

2) Anyone plays instead of Daniel Jones

3) Dak Prescott plays instead of Ben DiNucci

?

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

I've noticed this getting used as a defense for Hurts since it happened. Do people honestly think we still win that game if Brees was playing instead of Hill? I'm genuinely curious

Beating the Saints wasn’t the impressive part for me. I felt like it was an impressive how he played against a strong defense, especially given the circumstances. Brees in that game, no way Eagles win. Even Hill was starting to put together a comeback in the 2nd half. 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

And Manu was one of them.  He wasn’t alone.  

The reasons behind it pissed me off even more. From the taysom hill justification to we needed a cheap controllable backup for years. 

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I’m still convinced they thought they could have moved Hurts to Jax for Yannick 

I think they really thought they were trying to be the smartest person in the room as they were unsure what the end of 2019 was (fools gold of an easy schedule and bad division or legit). They thought they were in a win-win situation besides with the fans on the selection. if wentz didn’t play like end of 2019 they’d have someone to turn to in 2 years when they couldn’t get out of the contract and be ahead of the curve. If wentz was end of the season wentz they could play the stupid concoction bs reasoning of needing a cheap backup that was controllable for a couple years cause people would buy that as the main reason. 

If you are going to turn the franchise upside down with the bold move of drafting a qb, could you at least do it with someone whose passing isnt so bad it prompted many scouts to suggest a position change?

Fields then?

22 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Hahahaha.  Oh I don’t think so.  Too bad we can’t resurrect the old board.  But a lot of people were resigned to be ok with the pick and looked for multiple ways to justify the thought process behind it.  I and few others remained steadfast against the pick.   

Yeah, I don’t think you’re remembering it very well. 

16 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

And Manu was one of them.  He wasn’t alone.  

BS. I never supported that pick. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

BS. I never supported that pick. 

this is his newest schtick. 

22 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Texans immediately better than us 

They might be better than us even if BOB was around 

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 The hedging their bets with Wentz and injuries argument just never made sense.  

So who was their QB in the 2017, 2018 and 2019 playoffs?

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

this is his newest schtick. 

Yeah, this is a weird one. 

10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If you are going to turn the franchise upside down with the bold move of drafting a qb, could you at least do it with someone whose passing isnt so bad it prompted many scouts to suggest a position change?

If they put Hurts at RB I’m all for it. 
 

Also in fairness- I saw at least one scout suggest Josh Allen move to tight end 

50 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

 

Zach Thomas deserves to be in. Manning is a lock, I think Woodson gets in.

22 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I think they were planning on flipping him in a trade or they were so naive and egotistical that they thought they could develop him and get a 1st down the road.   Hence, "QB factory”.  Either way, the "smartest guy in the room” analogy holds a lot of water.  The hedging their bets with Wentz and injuries argument just never made sense.   

I know I am.  

I think wentz with his injuries was just a concoction the FO came up with cause they could get fans to buy into it and help with the backlash they were going to receive and the concussion ended their season so they could make it more believable when it was pure bs 

50 minutes ago, macgregor said:

One guy had 378 carries, the other 164. With less than half the carries what can you expect? Our passing game wasn't working all season and Doug could not come up with an alternative offense to save his career.

Sanders can't even handle 164 carries without being hurt half the season, he'll never contend for the rushing title

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You have no clue what you’re talking about.  Go back to the Sixers thread and cry about Ben Simmons for another 20 pages.  

I can do that here,  and then after years of him proving me right you can again try to pretend you were the only one who said it. 

Not sure who you think you are convincing. 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Who’s your preference — Dylan Moses, Zevan Collins, Chazz Surratt, Nick Bolton?

I love Chass Surratt.

Let's just get a few questions out of the way:

Is Wentz the future franchise QB? No.

Was Wentz horrible this year?  Yes.

Did Hurts provide a spark to the offense?  Yes.

Did Hurts give them a better chance to win this year?  Yes.

 

Now, with that out of the way...I don't think anyone is realizing or acknowledging just how BAD Hurts is as a passer.  While he may not have played a full season, his ratio of passing yards to rushing yards was historically bad...worse than any of the raw run dominant QB's in their early NFL action in recent history.  The only QB worse...Tim Tebow.

Any time the offense had to pass...be it 3rd and long, 4th down, or comeback situations...he wasn't just ineffective; he looked like he was playing out of position.  He could use his legs to keep the offense moving forward and to make some broken throws on the run, but the designed passing was abysmal.  

IMO, he profiles as a really nice backup because of his ability to come in and disrupt a game against a defense that was not game planning for his scampering.  But even as a pure passer, he's below average for a backup and may remain so.

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You’re right.  It was the first round reach, Reagor, you were warm for.  Not the second round reach.  My bad.  My apologies to Manu.  But there was a large portion of people in here justifying in the next day.   

Yes, I railed against your nonsense that Reagor was a reach based on a few mock drafts you looked at. 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

NCCG will determine a lot.  If Waddle plays and plays well, it makes the top 8 interesting.  Same with Surtain.  

I really think Chris Olave is going to expose Surtain with his speed.