This actually made me laugh

 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

This actually made me laugh

 

How many Lombardi trophies has Howie spent on Wentz 

3 minutes ago, lornemalvo4133 said:

How many Lombardi trophies has Howie spent on Wentz 

Just pointing out if you don’t have wentz then the eagles also don’t have a Lombardi trophy. They needed both foles to play like he did and wentz to play like he did in 2017 to even have one. 

so the question is how much does that Lombardi trophy really worth in the eagles possession?

Foles I think would be a decent backup and a good mentor for Jalen and the cap hit mentioned before seems to help since they have to pay wentz still. 

4 minutes ago, lornemalvo4133 said:

How many Lombardi trophies has Howie spent on Wentz 

Does each individual player get their own Lombardi? I know they get their own ring(Wentz does have one)

1 hour ago, Arsenal79 said:

Aaron Rodgers didn't have a problem performing when the Packers picked Jordan Love in the 1st round.

Tom Brady didn't have a problem performing when the Patriots picked Jimmy Garoppalo in the 2nd round.

Brett Favre didn't have a problem performing when the Packers picked Aaron Rodgers in the 1st round.

Drew Brees didn't have a problem performing when the Chargers picked Philip Rivers in the 1st round.

Joe Montana didn't have a problem performing when the Niners traded a 2nd and a 4th rounder for Steve Young.

Alex Smith didn't have a problem performing when the Chiefs picked Patrick Mahomes in the 1st round.

Peyton Manning didn't have a problem performing when the Broncos picked Brock Osweiler in the 2nd round.

Alex Smith didn't have a problem performing when the Niners picked Colin Kaepernick in the 2nd round.

Etc etc etc.

For you and your buddies to pin Carson's atrocious play on the pick of Jalen Hurts to be a backup QB in the 2nd round is pathetic.

Well, considering that I've never once pointed to that as a reason for Wentz' play, but rather as the final nail in the coffin of Wentz feeling that the organization wasn't doing what was best for his career, I'd say you need to read what I am actually writing and not what you think I am writing.

 

My point with the Hurts pick is not the Wentz' play was affected by that.  My point is that the Hurts pick was the final straw on the camel's back, of Carson watching since 2018 of them not doing what is needed to give him a functional offense around him.   He busted everything at the end of 2019 with practice squad WRs... and they rewarded him in the offseason with the same old WRs that got hurt the year before (and one of them was a backstabber that was 100% going to be unavailable to start the season, and the other one was about 95% certain to be hurt at some point)... and a raw rookie, and then when another WR or RB would be available in Round 2 to offer some help at the skill positions... they decided they didn't need more help for their QB... they needed another QB.  

Let's be clear, the Hurts move did not happen in a vacuum.  It happened at the end of a string of terrible decisions, not the least of which includes the front office trading up for a guy like Donnell Pumphrey... identifying JJAW as a good pick in Round 2 the year before... and passing on the consensus best WR on the board in Justin Jefferson, and selecting Jalen Reagor. We'll see if Reagor ever lives up to his draft status, but there were about 6 other WRs that were available at that exact spot that they tried to be smarter than everyone else... again.

 

And yes, Wentz is responsible for his bad play.  Wentz is not responsible for the terrible offense they put around him.  And, considering how the fans feel about this team and this organization, you might see why a guy might not want to leave his fate in their hands.  So, it is in his best interest, professionally, to get away from this dumpster fire.   And he saw that Howie is still in charge...  so its not like the new coach means a new start here.  It's the same moron running the show as the guy who failed to build an offense over the last 3 years.  New blood in the coaching staff might help, but its not the cure-all.

 

And every one of those guys you mentioned knew their time was limited with their original team... exception being Brady.  But, I think the coaches wanted to move on from Brady, but Kraft did not.  So, wanting to go elsewhere now, sooner than later makes a lot of sense to me.

1 minute ago, tuffstuff07 said:

Foles I think would be a decent backup and a good mentor for Jalen and the cap hit mentioned before seems to help since they have to pay wentz still. 

2nd year QB, Foles as backup = Super Bowl

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Does each individual player get their own Lombardi? I know they get their own ring(Wentz does have one)

I think the other ones the players get aren’t like the one they have on the field that they preeent them with. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just pointing out if you don’t have wentz then the eagles also don’t have a Lombardi trophy. They needed both foles to play like he did and wentz to play like he did in 2017 to even have one. 

so the question is how much does that Lombardi trophy really worth in the eagles possession?

Some like to think Wentz attributed nothing during the SB season

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

2nd year QB, Foles as backup = Super Bowl

If only we had cap space to add to make the roster better and a roster that had guys at the peak of their primes

1 hour ago, Nivraga said:

Your point is well made - I would agree with you if that is all Carson had to deal with. In fact I'm sure that if Jalen Hurts in the 2nd was the only adversity and he fell apart there wouldn't be a single Eagles fan defending him. However, none of those QB's were working with their 3rd and 4th string offensive line by the time they were benched. None of those QB's had to witness one of their replacement offensive lineman get thrown back onto the bench on one play and then stand around fixing his gloves while the QB is running for his life on another. Same Olineman actually sacked Carson. None of those QBs went for several games needing to call their WRs by number because they hadn't been introduced yet.

Carson Wentz has his own issues - he's not blameless. But all the turmoil just exacerbated the few issues he has. Then throw in the Eagles 2nd round pick - Any QB in this situation would be thinking he could have used some help with that 2nd pick instead of an insurance policy.

14 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Some like to think Wentz attributed nothing during the SB season

What’s amazing is he threw a touchdown pass on a torn ACL. If they don’t get that touchdown to Alshon Jeffery they likely lose that Rams game as the offense scored just two field goals after he left and the defensive touchdown likely wouldn’t have happened cause they wouldn’t have been ahead nor would the Rams be in the position to have to throw. If they lose that game they wouldn’t have had home-field advantage they lost on tiebreakers with a loss in that game to the Rams. That’s a much tougher task for the Eagles to possibly being a 2 seed facing the Saints in the divisional round and then have to go on the road rather than play at the linc where it was a frenzy. Could they have done it? Yes but i think it is a much tougher task 

** also without the td and Rams win they don’t clinch a bye week which helped them with getting foles playing at the level he did cause it wasn’t pretty the last two weeks of the regular season. 

On 2/6/2021 at 1:54 AM, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Whether he holds firm on this or not, there is plenty of disservice in his background.  I don't trust him to handle anything really well.  

If they are trading Wentz it is to accommodate him. I’m concerned that if not traded this could get ugly but not if Carson is reasonable. Eating $50 mil is quite a lot to appease one player. He should be professional and hang on for a year

1 hour ago, Nivraga said:

Your point is well made - I would agree with you if that is all Carson had to deal with. In fact I'm sure that if Jalen Hurts in the 2nd was the only adversity and he fell apart there wouldn't be a single Eagles fan defending him. However, none of those QB's were working with their 3rd and 4th string offensive line by the time they were benched. None of those QB's had to witness one of their replacement offensive lineman get thrown back onto the bench on one play and then stand around fixing his gloves while the QB is running for his life on another. Same Olineman actually sacked Carson. None of those QBs went for several games needing to call their WRs by number because they hadn't been introduced yet.

Carson Wentz has his own issues - he's not blameless. But all the turmoil just exacerbated the few issues he has. Then throw in the Eagles 2nd round pick - Any QB in this situation would be thinking he could have used some help with that 2nd pick instead of an insurance policy.

Good my insurance policy/plan B theory is catching on.  

41 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

@E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles and @e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! I think I just realized you weren't the same poster.

 

I'm the evil twin.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think the other ones the players get aren’t like the one they have on the field that they preeent them with. 

All of the Eagles players received their rings with different inscriptions, Carson’s reads  "Courtesy of BDN” 

1 minute ago, The guy in France said:

If they are trading Wentz it is to accommodate him. I’m concerned that if not traded this could get ugly but not if Carson is reasonable. Eating $50 mil is quite a lot to appease one player. He should be professional and hang on for a year

Tbh the dead money hit in 2022 isn’t all that great either if they wait a year. 

1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

I get not liking the Hurts pick, but IMO it's dumb to trade/dump him already.  You don't draft him as a finished product.  You draft him as a hyper athletic and relatively (to the rest of the QB draft class last year) young QB who showed steady improvement as a passer in college.  Will it work out?  Probably not.  But at this point you might as well see what you have instead of pulling the plug for a 4th round pick or whatever you could get for him.  I think it's silly to make too many judgements on a QB this early in their career.  

Well, since Sirianni wasn't a part of the decision making process in bringing him in... and depending on what they can get for him, moving Hurts as well makes a ton of sense.

 

Ultimately, I'll say the same thing I said when Doug was hired and they made the move to get up for Carson Wentz - which I didn't agree with at the time.   

"A coach lives or dies with his QB.  So, if the coach has a specific QB in mind that he wants... then it is imperative to get that QB for the coach, and if it fails, he has no one to blame but himself."   

Doug, et al, decided that Wentz was the guy, so they did what was needed to be done to get him.  Well, that ship has now sailed.   Sirianni is here.   He gets to make the call at the QB position, and he will sink or swim with that decision, imo.   Now, given the current situation, Sirianni gets a year (maybe two) to figure out who that QB is... but ultimately, he needs to find 'his guy', and that's the marriage that will either move this organization forward, or they will sink together.

2 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

All of the Eagles players received their rings with different inscriptions, Carson’s reads  "Courtesy of BDN” 

Did they put an asterisk next to the 13 regular season wins on everyone’s rings since 11 of them didn’t count as wentz started them? 

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

Some teams have better coaching and talent.  Rodgers, Smith, and McNabb were all also players with 10+ years of experience.  They weren't players going into year 5 on the 2nd season of a new deal.  I'm not saying Hurts motivated or distracted Wentz.  I just don't know but I'm sure it impacted his trust in the organization and his coaches.  

I didn't put any of that on Wentz' play, but on his (rumored) insistence to be traded.   All those other QBs were gone in 2 years, exception of Brady.  Wentz wants to move on now, rather than a year from now.  I've got no problem with that, and certainly wouldn't say that's a diva move.   And there were a lot of factors that went into his poor play, in addition to Hurts' presence.   One of them is gone now (Doug and the offensive coaching staff).  Many are still here, and continue to be a problem.

12 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Well, considering that I've never once pointed to that as a reason for Wentz' play, but rather as the final nail in the coffin of Wentz feeling that the organization wasn't doing what was best for his career, I'd say you need to read what I am actually writing and not what you think I am writing.

 

My point with the Hurts pick is not the Wentz' play was affected by that.  My point is that the Hurts pick was the final straw on the camel's back, of Carson watching since 2018 of them not doing what is needed to give him a functional offense around him.   He busted everything at the end of 2019 with practice squad WRs... and they rewarded him in the offseason with the same old WRs that got hurt the year before (and one of them was a backstabber that was 100% going to be unavailable to start the season, and the other one was about 95% certain to be hurt at some point)... and a raw rookie, and then when another WR or RB would be available in Round 2 to offer some help at the skill positions... they decided they didn't need more help for their QB... they needed another QB.  

Let's be clear, the Hurts move did not happen in a vacuum.  It happened at the end of a string of terrible decisions, not the least of which includes the front office trading up for a guy like Donnell Pumphrey... identifying JJAW as a good pick in Round 2 the year before... and passing on the consensus best WR on the board in Justin Jefferson, and selecting Jalen Reagor. We'll see if Reagor ever lives up to his draft status, but there were about 6 other WRs that were available at that exact spot that they tried to be smarter than everyone else... again.

 

And yes, Wentz is responsible for his bad play.  Wentz is not responsible for the terrible offense they put around him.  And, considering how the fans feel about this team and this organization, you might see why a guy might not want to leave his fate in their hands.  So, it is in his best interest, professionally, to get away from this dumpster fire.   And he saw that Howie is still in charge...  so its not like the new coach means a new start here.  It's the same moron running the show as the guy who failed to build an offense over the last 3 years.  New blood in the coaching staff might help, but its not the cure-all.

I could not agree more with this post.  The reality for this team is that the FO failed Wentz more than Wentz failed the team.  I mean just look at the interest Wentz is generating from other teams.  

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Did they put an asterisk next to the 13 regular season wins on everyone’s rings since 11 of them didn’t count as wentz started them? 

Lol, hopefully not, Wentz was the MVP that year IMO, but the Foles stuff is hilarious as well, IMO.  

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If only we had cap space to add to make the roster better and a roster that had guys at the peak of their primes

If only we had talent on the roster. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Did they put an asterisk next to the 13 regular season wins on everyone’s rings since 11 of them didn’t count as wentz started them? 

Yeah, its amazing - they went 5-1 that season and won a Super Bowl.

Just now, Desertbirds said:

Yeah, its amazing - they went 5-1 that season and won a Super Bowl.

Covid must have hit the nfl hard that year.