1 hour ago, schuy7 said:

If you know, you know.

Ummm...can Baldy be that dumb?

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Rent free.   You’re obsessed with me for one reason.  

You continue to flatter yourself. 

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Let's just get a few questions out of the way:

Is Wentz the future franchise QB? No.

Was Wentz horrible this year?  Yes.

Did Hurts provide a spark to the offense?  Yes.

Did Hurts give them a better chance to win this year?  Yes.

 

Now, with that out of the way...I don't think anyone is realizing or acknowledging just how BAD Hurts is as a passer.  While he may not have played a full season, his ratio of passing yards to rushing yards was historically bad...worse than any of the raw run dominant QB's in their early NFL action in recent history.  The only QB worse...Tim Tebow.

Any time the offense had to pass...be it 3rd and long, 4th down, or comeback situations...he wasn't just ineffective; he looked like he was playing out of position.  He could use his legs to keep the offense moving forward and to make some broken throws on the run, but the designed passing was abysmal.  

IMO, he profiles as a really nice backup because of his ability to come in and disrupt a game against a defense that was not game planning for his scampering.  But even as a pure passer, he's below average for a backup and may remain so.

It's a real dilemma. I really don't want to take a QB again. But, we are at #6 and that is a pretty good spot to get one of the better QBs in the draft.  If we were to do it, we would probably have to trade both Wentz and Hurts.  I think Hurts would probably mope if we drafted his replacement before he got his full shot at the job.  Or, we could just go a full year with Hurts and build around him, then see where we are next year.  Chances are with Howie and Doug returning, we will probably be near or within the top 10 again.  So maybe we get our QB in the next draft. It just depends on how we feel about the QBs in this draft vs next year.  

Reagor wasn't great value, that's for sure.  Players with similar speed and talent went in round 2 the prior year and his current year.  

Personally, I don't think he was a true reach either.  I think "forced pick" is a better term.  Their neglect of speed at the WR position (for years) was criminal.  They had that reality shoved in their face and down their throat.  And then they had an entire FA and trade season in which they did nothing about it.  So they went into the draft with the absolute need of drafting the best player on the board whose game was predicated on speed and who was perceived as a burner.  Didn't matter if that player was going to be a good one or not.  That's who they were all but forced to take and that's who they were going to take.  That player ended up being Reagor.

That's all the thought that went into his selection.

 

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I know most of you don’t care.  But it’s time for Roy Williams at UNC to move on. He has a great freshman class, two top 5 PG in that draft and they are a mess.  Two years in a row they can’t get a highly rated guard/s to play up to their potential.  They can’t shoot and turn the ball over.....a ton.   

I met Roy Williams back at the 2001 final four. He’s an awesome guy. Super nice. Was cheering for Arizona after lute Olson lost his wife to cancer earlier in the season. Talked to my friend and I at the hotel for a good half an hour. That said you are right. He can still recruit but they’ve had issues on the court and getting through to them.

Curious to see what direction UNC would go. I’m guessing big name. Maybe try to pry someone like Chris beard who’s done a great job at Texas tech. I know based off my friend who works in the scouting department for the timerbwolves but prior was working at 24/7 covering west coast recruiting that before the crap that happened at Arizona there was strong beliefs sean Miller was a candidate they were going to target. 

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Reagor wasn't great value, that's for sure.  Players with similar speed and talent went in round 2 the prior year and his current year.  

Personally, I don't think he was a true reach either.  I think "forced pick" is a better term.  Their neglect of speed at the WR position (for years) was criminal.  They had that reality shoved in their face and down their throat.  And then they had an entire FA and trade season in which they did nothing about it.  So they went into the draft with the absolute need of drafting the best player on the board whose game was predicated on speed and who was perceived as a burner.  Didn't matter if that player was going to be a good one or not.  That's who they were all but forced to take and that's who they were going to take.  That player ended up being Reagor.

That's all the thought that went into his selection.

 

There was a run at WR at the end of round 1. So, supply and demand made Reagor's value worth more than his true value.  The Eagles wouldn't have got him in Round 2.  I didn't dislike Reagor, but I definitely preferred Aiyuk for our offense. I thought Aiyuk would be able to work the whole field and be a more complete WR.

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep.  Reagor was a reach and I’m still saying it.  And I was also the one complaining about all the mock drafts being posted in the blog.  But according to you I get all of my information solely from Mock drafts?  That makes a ton of sense.  

But I’ll play.  When a WR is the 8th rated WR in a draft.  A team with as many holes as the Eagles had should not be taking that WR.  That was and will always be my issue with the Reagor pick.  

It’s nice to know that bum was good for something.  The Blogs anointed "next Sproles”.  

1) You complained about people posting their own mocks. That’s not what I’m talking about. 

2) You said Reagor was a reach and posted some writers’ mock drafts as defense. 

I told you guys that the Mailata hype was out of control and people were just desperate to fawn all over him.

Look how great Matt Pryor looks if you pretend he's Mailata.  

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Typical of UNC, they would stay with a Carolina guy.  Hubert Davis, Jerry Stackhouse or Wes Miller at UNCG.   

Stackhouse isn’t a bad option tbh. He did some good things at the G league level. Haven’t followed him closely at Vanderbilt to see if he’s had success there. 

2 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

There was a run at WR at the end of round 1. So, supply and demand made Reagor's value worth more than his true value.  The Eagles wouldn't have got him in Round 2.  I didn't dislike Reagor, but I definitely preferred Aiyuk for our offense. I thought Aiyuk would be able to work the whole field and be a more complete WR.

I agree that Reagor would not be there in round 2.  That's why the pick was forced.

They needed to get faster.  Reagor was the only player on the board besides Hammler who could really lay claim to a burner label (although I wouldn't use that term at all based on his rookie year)...the rest is history.

Looking at the old thread... a lot of you were for Reagor at 21

This was some hours before draft night:

A bunch of you wanted Jeudy over Jefferson

Draft started:

 

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Who’s your preference — Dylan Moses, Zevan Collins, Chazz Surratt, Nick Bolton?

I just watched some Nick Bolton highlights....boy he can lay the wood.  He definitely fits the Eagles mold of smaller LB.  Get some Ernie Sims at FSU vibes from the way he plays which isn't a bad thing.  Ernie Sims the Eagle was a bad thing.

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Reagor wasn't great value, that's for sure.  Players with similar speed and talent went in round 2 the prior year and his current year.  

Personally, I don't think he was a true reach either.  I think "forced pick" is a better term.  Their neglect of speed at the WR position (for years) was criminal.  They had that reality shoved in their face and down their throat.  And then they had an entire FA and trade season in which they did nothing about it.  So they went into the draft with the absolute need of drafting the best player on the board whose game was predicated on speed and who was perceived as a burner.  Didn't matter if that player was going to be a good one or not.  That's who they were all but forced to take and that's who they were going to take.  That player ended up being Reagor.

That's all the thought that went into his selection.

 

Ideally Reagor would have been a trade down target, but with so many teams needing and targeting WRs it was not possible to do so with confidence. 

Even with the love for Jefferson, the Vikings didn’t move up for him even though they expected us to take him. Their own GM said he wasn’t sure where he would fit. Their OC didn’t know if he could play on the outside. 

Im also seeing a lot of revisionist history with Brandon Aiyuk. I had him fifth on my WR list for the Eagles and remember a lot of people not liking him as a prospect, but now that he had a really good season, people are starting to say they really liked him. 

Just now, eagle45 said:

I agree that Reagor would not be there in round 2.  That's why the pick was forced.

They needed to get faster.  Reagor was the only player on the board besides Hammler who could really lay claim to a burner label (although I wouldn't use that term at all based on his rookie year)...the rest is history.

Howie was too focused on speed in this draft instead of getting talent.  I know they liked Reagor's speed. But, would we pass on a WR like Mike Quick just because he ran a 4.6 40?  Rice also ran a 4.5 I believe.  I would take a complete WR over a one dimensional WR any day of the week.  Complete WRs can work the whole field and are sudden enough to get separation deep.  I think this is part of the Eagles problem. They want one burner and one slow possession guy. I would just try to get 2 complete WRs that can do it all.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Looking at the old thread... a lot of you were for Reagor at 21

This was some hours before draft night:

A bunch of you wanted Jeudy over Jefferson

Draft started:

 

I was probably Reagor’s biggest fan. I had him fourth among WR targets behind the obvious top three.

I hated Jefferson for us because I didn’t think he looked good as an outside receiver. 

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Looking at the old thread... a lot of you were for Reagor at 21

This was some hours before draft night:

A bunch of you wanted Jeudy over Jefferson

Draft started:

 

I was definitely happy they drafted someone with speed.  Then I realized this year they didn't actually do that.

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Ideally Reagor would have been a trade down target, but with so many teams needing and targeting WRs it was not possible to do so with confidence. 

Even with the love for Jefferson, the Vikings didn’t move up for him even though they expected us to take him. Their own GM said he wasn’t sure where he would fit. Their OC didn’t know if he could play on the outside. 

Im also seeing a lot of revisionist history with Brandon Aiyuk. I had him fifth on my WR list for the Eagles and remember a lot of people not liking him as a prospect, but now that he had a really good season, people are starting to say they really liked him. 

Aiyuk was my favorite WR in this draft. I posted it many times. I thought Jeudy would be the fastest producer but long-term Aiyuk would be the best in 3 years.  I was wrong about Jefferson.

55 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

And Manu was one of them.  He wasn’t alone.  

I was pissed, then confused... then hoped I was wrong about it.   This season has been a revelation... and the truth has set me free.

Just now, CaliEagle said:

Aiyuk was my favorite WR in this draft. I posted it many times. I thought Jeudy would be the fastest producers but long-term Aiyuk would be the best in 3 years.  I was wrong about Jefferson.

Then I tip my cap to you on Aiyuk. I don’t remember many people liking him at all, and certainly not in round 1. Him having surgery after the combine pretty much killed him. 

56 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The reasons behind it pissed me off even more. From the taysom hill justification to we needed a cheap controllable backup for years. 

Well, they do... but they do because they screwed up the cap so bad that it is nearly irreparable

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I just watched some Nick Bolton highlights....boy he can lay the wood.  He definitely fits the Eagles mold of smaller LB.  Get some Ernie Sims at FSU vibes from the way he plays which isn't a bad thing.  Ernie Sims the Eagle was a bad thing.

My suspicion is the Eagles will promote Matt Burke to DC and Doug/Howie will largely ignore whatever suggestions he might have for the position.  I wouldn’t be surprised if LB is not addressed at all in the draft because they believe another LB can be signed off the street for peanuts.

13 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Typical of UNC, they would stay with a Carolina guy.  Hubert Davis, Jerry Stackhouse or Wes Miller at UNCG.   

Yup, 99% they stay with an alum. They gave Matt F’ing Doherty the reins at one point. 

2 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

Howie was too focused on speed in this draft instead of getting talent.  I know they liked Reagor's speed. But, would we pass on a WR like Mike Quick just because he ran a 4.6 40?  Rice also ran a 4.5 I believe.  I would take a complete WR over a one dimensional WR any day of the week.  Complete WRs can work the whole field and are sudden enough to get separation deep.  I think this is part of the Eagles problem. They want one burner and one slow possession guy. I would just try to get 2 complete WRs that can do it all.

At the end of the day (err route)...all that matters is separation.  4.6 and wide open beats 4.3 and covered.  Being surrounded by grass beats specializing in low-probability contested catches.

BUT...that 4.3 is one of the ingredients in separation.  It just isn't the only one.  Quickness, advanced routes, pure linear 40 speed, footwork, agility all factor in.  We can debate the relative importance of each, but they all factor in.

But it is fairly challenging to create tons of separation when you are a prospect that has their speed questioned.  That's a red flag.

It's all about the ability to get open though.  If there were a magic number for THAT...then I would sort my WR rankings according to that alone.

Just now, Alphagrand said:

My suspicion is the Eagles will promote Matt Burke to DC and Doug/Howie will largely ignore whatever suggestions he might have for the position.  I wouldn’t be surprised if LB is not addressed at all in the draft because they believe another LB can be signed off the street for peanuts.

I defend Schwartz against a lot of the nonsense posted in here about him, but I have no interest in promoting the cheap knockoff version.