They can fire Doug

They can trade Wentz

But the problem is still there

32 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Brooks is on the north side of 30? He was the best OG in the NFL before he was hurt. Top OL play to 35 or longer, Whitworth and Peters were starting at LT at 38.

Dillard was a legitimate 1st rd pick in his 3rd season. So you'll go draft a 1st round rookie to replace him?

Now if an elite OL is available and is BPA that's a different story. But guys like Driscoll and Herbig showed they can play, Driscoll belongs inside b/c of his shorter arms, but showed great technique as a rookie, the dropoff to Pryor was obvious. Herbig needs to get in better shape and lacks the feet to get to the second level, but is a good in-line pass blocker.

And Stoutland is probably the best OL coach in the NFL.

The body doesn't heal the same after 30 and he has had quite a few start to pile up. Can he return to normal? I think we are rooting for that. If there is a guard they think can be elite at 20 I hope they take him. Brooks is an example of the difference between someone like the guys you mentioned and elite. 

If there is a DE they think can be amazing, I don't trust them, but I'd be fine with that. Maybe one of the CB drops, which would be fine too, but I don't trust their scouts there either. Mainly, they just need to nail the picks, and OL should be easier to judge and get right. Lock down the most important positions other than QB on the team. That's just me though. 

 

At least some good news everyone can agree on

 

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

So if this tweet is true that makes my whole theory that they didn’t draft Jalen hurts to be a cheap back up quarterback that they wanted to have a Plan B in place in case the worst fears were that Carson Wentz wasn’t the guy and their confidence was souring on him. Which makes a lot more sense than the spin they came up with at the time about we need a cheap back up quarterback due to the cap and wentz’s injuries. 

 

18 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I thought that last year.  

I’ll believe that Peters won’t be back when the clock runs out on week 17 next year.

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Sounds like things are indeed close then. 

35 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Poor family. You never know what will happen when you leave the house each day. I can do without the millennial JusticeForAriel BS tags though. His dad is going to fire him and he's going to jail as he should. The poor kid will get money if she lives, but that isn't going to be worth the damage she'll probably have to live with the rest of her life. 

Maybe the Bears will only give up a 1 if we take back Foles' contract?

I know he sucks these days, but something about having Foles in Eagles green brings joy to my heart.

14 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I saw that you said, "see how it works" and I replied with a similar, unsubstantiated theory.  So I was agreeing with you when it comes to "unsubstantiated" theories.  But don't you see the difference between our two theories and fans referring to reports from very credible sources (Schaffer, etc)?  

When fans post and refer to credible sources, isn't that a way to (at least) add support to a theory?  In a court of law, isn't that how it usually works?  You get expert witnesses and testimony to back up your case, no?

 

Not at all.   The 'theory' (I hate the misuse of that word) that Carson must be a behind the scenes problem because the Eagles are looking to trade him is less evidentially based than the Nick Foles must be a behind the scenes problem, as he's being looked to be thrown in to a potential Wentz trade rumor, 1 year after he was just traded away by the Jags.  So, a guy that just was traded, is potentially going to be traded again?   That's terrible.  He must be a locker room cancer.  No other explanation is possible.

 

/logical fallacy

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So if this tweet is true that makes my whole theory that they didn’t draft Jalen hurts to be a cheap back up quarterback that they wanted to have a Plan B in place in case the worst fears were that Carson Wentz wasn’t the guy and their confidence was souring on him. Which makes a lot more sense than the spin they came up with at the time about we need a cheap back up quarterback due to the cap and wentz’s injuries. 

They also reportedly had a ton of interest in Jordan Love. 

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Poor family. You never know what will happen when you leave the house each day. I can do without the millennial JusticeForAriel BS tags though. His dad is going to fire him and he's going to jail as he should. The poor kid will get money if she lives, but that isn't going to be worth the damage she'll probably have to live with the rest of her life. 

What makes the whole thing even more senseless and horrific is that Britt reid has enough money and the Chiefs would have sent a driver to come pick him up. I do not get why Athletes and people who work in the sports business knowing their organizations are willing to send a driver out just so you don’t have the situation happen and then they drive anyways. Abuse the crap out of the privilege you get to have a driver come pick you up so you don’t Drive drunk. It prevents any of this from happening and you save a life. If I was an owner of a franchise I wouldn’t care what the expense was for it. it would be worth it so that families are not ruined and people don’t die. And it’s probably a drop in the bucket to the organization 

17 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m all for doing that edit logically sounds it makes sense. However I do not trust the people who are making those picks to actually hit on many of those picks. The Eagles have had 36 draft picks since 2016. They currently have 19 (assuming wentz is dealt) of them on the roster and that includes the Nate Gerry, Jalen mills, Matt pryor might also be gone in about a month. I’d add good chance JJAW is gone as he’s a bust and Barnett is iffy at his price tag. They could have potentially 14 players they drafted since 2016 on their current roster by the time the draft hits. They’d have only 6-7 starters from all those picks that would include dillard or mailata starting and swear or Barnett starting 

I don't disagree. The powers that be there are not the best at picking but hey, sometimes you gotta be right sometime...right...right?....we are screwed.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Maybe the Bears will only give up a 1 if we take back Foles' contract?

I know he sucks these days, but something about having Foles in Eagles green brings joy to my heart.

Foles is only a 10.6 million cap hit next season which is a bargain for a potential starter and/or super premium backup.  If that's the case, I would hope they find a way to make it work.  

Jalen Hurts is only a 1.3 million cap hit next season.  So combined it's a 11.9 million cap hit for your QB position.  Most teams would do backflips for that.

 

Just now, Ace Nova said:

Foles is only a 10.6 million cap hit next season which is a bargain for a potential starter and/or super premium backup.  If that's the case, I would hope they find a way to make it work.  

Jalen Hurts is only a 1.3 million cap hit next season.  So combined it's a 11.9 million cap hit for your QB position.  Most teams would do backflips for that.

 

Foles would only count $4M against our cap apparently. 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

They also reportedly had a ton of interest in Jordan Love. 

That was my other point of why i felt that way. As soon as Adam caplan said they had more than just a little interest but a lot of interest and serious interest in Jordan love you had to know it wasn’t about a back up quarterback situation. There was no way they were going to get Jordan Love at 53. So they either had to select him at 20 and make that commitment (which really wouldve have seen the crap hit the fan) or they would had a trade way up into the top half of the second round or how it turned out into the first round again just to get him. Am I feeling on Jordan love was he was never falling out of the first round due to the fifth year option at play as a first rounder.

4 minutes ago, Sturm said:

I don't disagree. The powers that be there are not the best at picking but hey, sometimes you gotta be right sometime...right...right?....we are screwed.

The browns agree. Just took them about two decades. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

Foles would only count $4M against our cap apparently. 

Even better then. 

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So if this tweet is true that makes my whole theory that they didn’t draft Jalen hurts to be a cheap back up quarterback that they wanted to have a Plan B in place in case the worst fears were that Carson Wentz wasn’t the guy and their confidence was souring on him. Which makes a lot more sense than the spin they came up with at the time about we need a cheap back up quarterback due to the cap and wentz’s injuries. 

If this is true, then they gave a contract extension to a QB and then lost confidence in him before that extension after took effect.   That's bad management.   Compound that with the copious number of bad contracts, bad draft picks... and the fact that they screwed around with Doug... and Doug lost the confidence of Wentz.   Just a pile of awful all around.   Good news is there's a new coaching staff... bad news is that they still have the same GM that made all those other bad moves.   

 

Howie is awesome.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

What makes the whole thing even more senseless and horrific is that Britt reid has enough money and the Chiefs would have sent a driver to come pick him up. I do not get why Athletes and people who work in the sports business knowing their organizations are willing to send a driver out just so you don’t have the situation happen and then they drive anyways. Abuse the crap out of the privilege you get to have a driver come pick you up so you don’t Drive drunk. It prevents any of this from happening and you save a life. If I was an owner of a franchise I wouldn’t care what the expense was for it. it would be worth it so that families are not ruined and people don’t die. And it’s probably a drop in the bucket to the organization 

Not that there is any excuse for driving drunk.  But now its easier than ever to NOT drive drunk.  Uber and Lyft are a thing and I'm damn sure Britt Reid knows about them.  Now he's likely facing jail time and a little girl may die.

Just a terribly sad situation all around.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

What makes the whole thing even more senseless and horrific is that Britt reid has enough money and the Chiefs would have sent a driver to come pick him up. I do not get why Athletes and people who work in the sports business knowing their organizations are willing to send a driver out just so you don’t have the situation happen and then they drive anyways. Abuse the crap out of the privilege you get to have a driver come pick you up so you don’t Drive drunk. It prevents any of this from happening and you save a life. If I was an owner of a franchise I wouldn’t care what the expense was for it. it would be worth it so that families are not ruined and people don’t die. And it’s probably a drop in the bucket to the organization 

Yeah, totally agree with you. It's hard to understand the mind of someone that selfish though because people who make that choice don't care about others. They are selfish and think they "are fine". I don't get it either. When you have that much to lose why even take the risk? 

1 minute ago, Arsenal79 said:

Not that there is any excuse for driving drunk.  But now its easier than ever to NOT drive drunk.  Uber and Lyft are a thing and I'm damn sure Britt Reid knows about them.  Now he's likely facing jail time and a little girl may die.

Just a terribly sad situation all around.

Legitimately there’s no excuse for it. There’s so many alternatives to driving drunk that he could have taken. This is just somebody who thinks he’s above the law or doesn’t care. The Chiefs would’ve paid for A driver to come pick them up. He could’ve gotten a lift. He could’ve got an Uber. There’s so many things he could have done to avoid this.  I feel horrible for that family whose five-year-old even if she survives this is not going to have a normal life for the rest of her life because that idiot couldn’t use a simple app or call the organization who has employees drivers to pick up athletes when they’re drunk.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

If this is true, then they gave a contract extension to a QB and then lost confidence in him before that extension after took effect.   That's bad management.   Compound that with the copious number of bad contracts, bad draft picks... and the fact that they screwed around with Doug... and Doug lost the confidence of Wentz.   Just a pile of awful all around.   Good news is there's a new coaching staff... bad news is that they still have the same GM that made all those other bad moves.   

 

Howie is awesome.

Yup- what went wrong in 2019 for them to believe he was worse than in 2018.  Was it the concussion? Was it the bad play to start the season when he had practice squad players at receiver at the end of the season?  Moreover, they are drafting Hurts without getting the benefit of the rookie contract in his first 2 seasons. 

16 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, totally agree with you. It's hard to understand the mind of someone that selfish though because people who make that choice don't care about others. They are selfish and think they "are fine". I don't get it either. When you have that much to lose why even take the risk? 

It’s because he’s an a-hole or an alcoholic. I have a brother he’s exactly the same way towards things where he doesn’t think it’s going to affect anybody else he doesn’t care if it affects anybody else. But then he gets caught in the situation where it affects a ton of people. $10 Uber could have saved a five-year-old girls life or a life where she doesn’t have to struggle through it. 10 Fing dollars

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not at all.   The 'theory' (I hate the misuse of that word) that Carson must be a behind the scenes problem because the Eagles are looking to trade him is less evidentially based than the Nick Foles must be a behind the scenes problem, as he's being looked to be thrown in to a potential Wentz trade rumor, 1 year after he was just traded away by the Jags.  So, a guy that just was traded, is potentially going to be traded again?   That's terrible.  He must be a locker room cancer.  No other explanation is possible.

 

/logical fallacy

Ok, I get it.  But if there were multiple, substantiated reports from credible sources stating that it was likely (at least) one of the reasons, would it add credibility to your "theory"?