3 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I’d rather the Bear include a 7th rounder than Cohen

Considering g the cap situation we will be in, why would we take anything back other than draft picks?

I said here a couple of months ago after the benching that I thought there would be a market for Wentz, despite how he played this year.  I thought there was a decent chance he could fetch a low first rounder, plus maybe another future/lower and possibly conditional pick, if a couple of teams had interest. Indy, SF, NE and Den all seemed like possible teams that could be interested.  It sounded like that was reported initially as around what CHI was offering, and it made sense.

I thought a 2nd rounder this year plus a future 2 or 3 would be the absolute floor.  Again assuming there was a market, which there clearly is, and what Wentz has shown in the past.  QBs always fetch a premium when there is any demand.  I didn’t see a scenario where the Eagles would trade him for less than this return.  Net 2 second day picks.

These alleged offers are awful.  Moving up from 37 to 20?  Taking on veteran contracts?  In this cap situation?  Doesn’t make sense on any level.  Not surprised, given how bad this team has been screwed up and mismanaged, but highly disappointing.

The Eagles need net new draft picks, not draft position or veterans.  Of course, until they change the GM and the decision making structure, it probably doesn’t matter, but to trade assets for this kind of return is just a continuation of the stupidity we have endured since the SB win.  They can get three first rounders for Wentz and if the same idiot is making the picks you will just have more highly drafted guys that are either injury prone or can’t play.

The only offensive players that make sense from the Bears would be Darnell Mooney or Cole Kmet. Don’t know anything about the O-Line. 

Anyone interested in Sam Darnold?

4 minutes ago, goeagles5039 said:

Anyone interested in Sam Darnold?

I like him better than Hurts 

13 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

The only offensive players that make sense from the Bears would be Darnell Mooney or Cole Kmet. Don’t know anything about the O-Line. 

Cody Whitehair is good.

7 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Between the reported trade offers from CHI and IND, the Colts offer makes more sense but neither offer would be near close enough that Howie should pull the trigger.  
 

The Bears offer is almost useless for an Eagles team wanting to rebuild.  Why would anyone pay $9M for 2 years of Tarik Cohen when he had a terrible 2019 season and was injured almost all of 2020?  Nick Foles would be taking Hurts’ job by Week 6 but, again, that serves very little purpose towards a rebuild.

The best part of the Colts offer is probably Okereke, who is a good young LB with 2 more years on a cheap deal.  Jack Doyle is okay — nothing to get excited about — but is an experienced, somewhat inexpensive TE at $6M per year for 2 more years.  The idea of trading #37 this season to get back a 2023 2nd is awful, though.  Yasin would need to be included, as well as the 2nd being 2022.

Not a lot to get excited about with either trade, but the Bears player would need to be much better upside than Cohen

So you're telling me Howie goes with the Bears deal... 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Cody Whitehair is good.

So you can count him out, then Howie prefers Cohen and Foles type of players... 

5 minutes ago, goeagles5039 said:

Anyone interested in Sam Darnold?

I think people are over thinking this. "If" they trade Wentz, i think it will be Hurts job. If they plan to bring in any other QB that could be a possible starter then your going to have to trade Hurts as well to avoid all the same issues/drama we have now with 2 QBs on the team that could start. I just don;t see it happening. I think they will role with Hurts. As Lurie said this is a process that they feel will be a few years down the line. 

Lets be honest if Hurts is not that good we will be right back in the top 10 next year with the possibility in landing a QB in a better prospect draft. 

26 minutes ago, John_C said:

They can get three first rounders for Wentz 

I know there are a lot of stupid GMs out there but I cant believe they're that stupid, oh wait, Howie is a GM right?

I mentioned this before but I also think people are over looking at the so called rumors of offers for Wentz

Before Stafford was traded to the Rams there was rumors all over about the Panthers and 49ers being the lead dogs in the fight. Rams were a side thought and not mentioned much at all. Something tells me all the so called "Offer" rumors are the Eagles stirring the pot to get a few other teams to bid even higher. 

I have a feeling if they do trade him it will be for something that was not even so called "leaked". Possibly even from a team we didnt know was in the game. 

1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

I think people are over thinking this. "If" they trade Wentz, i think it will be Hurts job. 

Been a fan here long? If Nick Foles comes to Philadelphia as part of all this, Jalen Hurts will have to be damn near perfect for the fans not to start clamoring for the back up to take over.

There isn't a single GM in the league who would give 3 1sts for Wentz given his injury history and 2020 performance.

I think the Eagles could get a 3rd for Hurts. A team in need of a backup who’s going for it all would see value in him. Say your starter gets dinged up and you need a guy to hold down the fort for 1-4 games. That’s where Hurts has value. 
 

The Steelers and Bills are the first two teams that pop in my head. The Ravens and Chiefs would also be updating their backup spot. 

Just now, downundermike said:

Been a fan here long? If Nick Foles comes to Philadelphia as part of all this, Jalen Hurts will have to be damn near perfect for the fans not to start clamoring for the back up to take over.

Ive actually been a season ticket holder prob longer then you have been alive, lol. Trust me I know the love for Philly and the backup QB. 

1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

Ive actually been a season ticket holder prob longer then you have been alive, lol. Trust me I know the love for Philly and the backup QB. 

Flexing in the morning already?

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I think the Eagles could get a 3rd for Hurts. A team in need of a backup who’s going for it all would see value in him. Say your starter gets dinged up and you need a guy to hold down the fort for 1-4 games. That’s where Hurts has value. 
 

The Steelers and Bills are the first two teams that pop in my head. The Ravens and Chiefs would also be updating their backup spot. 

Patriots pop in my head. I think they could give a 2nd. If the news is true that they wanted him last year, and how poor this draft class is, no combine, and a lot more virtual training camps/meetings I could see the Patriots upping a bit a bit to get someone who has at least had some exp in live games in the NFL that they wanted. I could see Steelers as well if Big Ben retires. But I still think the Eagles roll with Hurts if Wentz is indeed traded. 

8 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I think the Eagles could get a 3rd for Hurts. A team in need of a backup who’s going for it all would see value in him. Say your starter gets dinged up and you need a guy to hold down the fort for 1-4 games. That’s where Hurts has value. 
 

The Steelers and Bills are the first two teams that pop in my head. The Ravens and Chiefs would also be updating their backup spot. 

steelers signed rg3 for almost nothing

3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

This isn’t accurate. Without doing a google search for all 32 teams, I know the GM has final say of the 53 in Baltimore, Buffalo, Cleveland, Denver, Detroit, GB, Indy, NYG, NYJ, Philly. 

Very few HCs have the pull to override a GM, AR does, but I think after his Philly fiasco he's happy to defer.

That being said, in most cases the GM and HC tend to be on the same page, if not, one is gone in a year or two, usually the HC, and after the 2nd HC, both.

There's a few egomaniac GMs who simply ignore their HC, but unless they're brilliant (a rare commodity), that behavior tends to get you fired.

The general SOP is that the coaching staff gives their opinions, for example, I'm sure Stoutland tells them who he needs for adequate depth this season, and which marginal players have starter upside down the road. The final 53 decision is really about players at the margin, do we keep a 10th OL or 6 LBs? Since the HC doesn't have time to monitor the league, the GM should be in better position to guess who is likely to be claimed and who will make it to the PS. Notice Mailata, even though he was totally useless as a rookie, was on the 53 - his upside was too great to risk losing him - whereas Toohill's upside was probably low enough that they were willing to take that risk. You have to take into account the salary cap, this year's roster (starters, depth and STs) and the team 2-3 years down the road, and decide which players to keep.

Input matters, if Siri tells Howie that WR "X" simply doesn't fit the scheme or has limited upside, that player moves down the list, if Gannon says the current CBs aren't a good fit and this is what I'm looking for, Howie has his minions scour league rosters to find potential fits who could be obtained in trade. In a functional organization, it's not a "my way or the highway" situation.

Roob had a good point on Pederson:

The fact that Pederson had his mind made up almost immediately after getting fired that he didn’t want to coach in 2021 makes me wonder how much he really wanted to coach in 2020. There were times during the season it seemed either his heart wasn’t totally in it or he seemed a little burned out. I still think the one thing he truly loves about the job is calling plays. I wonder if he’ll ever be a head coach again.

I think the reason Lowie overrode Pederson was simple, Pederson simply didn't want to put the work in to rebuild his staff and just go with the guys he had, when this approach became dysfunctional, they stepped in. They should have just fired him a year ago but the combination of the SB and their long history with Pederson held them back. Pederson would probably be happier as an OC where he just focuses on running the offense and doesn't have to deal with all the other aspects of the HC job. His ideal situation is probably OC for a defensive HC where he'd be given autonomy over the offense.

11 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Ive actually been a season ticket holder prob longer then you have been alive, lol. Trust me I know the love for Philly and the backup QB. 

I was being sarcastic.

Just now, downundermike said:

I was being sarcastic.

I know I was just playing along with you, lol. 

Just now, austinfan said:

Very few HCs have the pull to override a GM, AR does, but I think after his Philly fiasco he's happy to defer.

That being said, in most cases the GM and HC tend to be on the same page, if not, one is gone in a year or two, usually the HC, and after the 2nd HC, both.

There's a few egomaniac GMs who simply ignore their HC, but unless they're brilliant (a rare commodity), that behavior tends to get you fired.

The general SOP is that the coaching staff gives their opinions, for example, I'm sure Stoutland tells them who he needs for adequate depth this season, and which marginal players have starter upside down the road. The final 53 decision is really about players at the margin, do we keep a 10th OL or 6 LBs? Since the HC doesn't have time to monitor the league, the GM should be in better position to guess who is likely to be claimed and who will make it to the PS. Notice Mailata, even though he was totally useless as a rookie, was on the 53 - his upside was too great to risk losing him - whereas Toohill's upside was probably low enough that they were willing to take that risk. You have to take into account the salary cap, this year's roster (starters, depth and STs) and the team 2-3 years down the road, and decide which players to keep.

Input matters, if Siri tells Howie that WR "X" simply doesn't fit the scheme or has limited upside, that player moves down the list, if Gannon says the current CBs aren't a good fit and this is what I'm looking for, Howie has his minions scour league rosters to find potential fits who could be obtained in trade. In a functional organization, it's not a "my way or the highway" situation.

Roob had a good point on Pederson:

The fact that Pederson had his mind made up almost immediately after getting fired that he didn’t want to coach in 2021 makes me wonder how much he really wanted to coach in 2020. There were times during the season it seemed either his heart wasn’t totally in it or he seemed a little burned out. I still think the one thing he truly loves about the job is calling plays. I wonder if he’ll ever be a head coach again.

I think the reason Lowie overrode Pederson was simple, Pederson simply didn't want to put the work in to rebuild his staff and just go with the guys he had, when this approach became dysfunctional, they stepped in. They should have just fired him a year ago but the combination of the SB and their long history with Pederson held them back. Pederson would probably be happier as an OC where he just focuses on running the offense and doesn't have to deal with all the other aspects of the HC job.

Just to be clear, while you’ve defended Howie at every turn, you’re working theory now is that Doug didn’t want to put in work and Schwartz mailed it in last year?

Just now, DumbleBear said:

Maybe Kobe can start next year 😇🤩🤠

That’s not even a funny "too soon” joke 

2 hours ago, T-1000 said:

If Cohen is healthy he is a huge upgrade to Boston Scott.  I'm sure you saw how the Colts used Hines this year, Cohen is every bit the playmaker that Hines is. 2018 isn't that long ago and he had nearly 1,200 yards and 8 TD's. Obviously a question mark coming off of a down year in 2019 and torn ACL in 2020 but you are acting like the guy is some no talent bum.

Irony.

1 hour ago, purplefiggy said:

Considering g the cap situation we will be in, why would we take anything back other than draft picks?

Unless the returning player comes with a guaranteed salsry that player could be dumped if need be.  So, its not as big a concern.  Traded for players dont cost the acquiring team and prorated signing bonus money, so its fairly low risk.  It only becomes risky when Howie gets stupid and gives them new deals right after trading for them.  (See also Slay, Darius and Jackson, Desean.)

4 minutes ago, DumbleBear said:

Maybe Kobe can start next year 😇🤩🤠

Not funny... gtfo