Wentz would have said hell no I I’m the QB of this team and that Mort report is bs. That or Doug would have been fired. Neither happened, Wentz is gone.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

At this stage, Hurts is a guy who can move the chains occasionally with his legs when things break down, or just when he sees a lane.  His first instinct is to RUN.  And this runs contrary to the nonsense takes from morons like Collinsworth trying to fabricate a different narrative than just comment on what everyone with eyes can plainly see.  And I can't believe he did a montage on how great a passer Hurts is when he 'gets in rhythm' in that game.  Hurts' second completion wasn't until the 2nd quarter, and he had a grand total of SEVEN completions over 3 quarters.  He never found any rhythm in that game.   He ran a lot.  He scored 2 TDs because he ran a lot.  But I am pretty sure that the montage included EVERY completion that Hurts had up to that moment.  It was a very short montage.

That said, you can win in the short term with that type of QB.  Its a very different offense from a more traditional QB, so if you've prepared for one and get the other, he will find some success... as we saw against the Saints.  But, that was a great RUSHING performance by Hurts, not a great passing performance.  He threw the ball well enough to front run in that game, but not nearly well enough to dig out of any hole.  Against the Cards, he struggled early, dug a hole... then dug out a bit in the 2nd quarter, only to hit a brick wall in the 2nd half... again.  Dallas was a train wreck game all around.  And Washingteam was a train wreck passing game for Hurts.  Just brutal.  

But, as with most young players, and backups... the more they play, the more they are exposed and teams figure them out.  The question is how does he respond.  How much better can he become?   I think his ceiling is top quality backup, or journeyman placeholder "starting" QB while a team waits for their guy.  He'll win some games, but I don't think he's a guy that a team will look at and get overly excited about.  But, he's clearly an NFL player, I just don't see him ever becoming an NFL 'franchise' QB.

The thing with Hurts is he'll need a complementary run game to make him succeed. Basically a carbon copy of Baltimore's offense. You'd need a bruiser back to handle the majority of snaps, along with Sanders to pop off the big runs. Scott could make it work as a 3rd back I suppose. But you'd have to fully commit to that type of offense, which has been shown to just not work in the playoffs. And you're bang on that it's a front running offense, it's not designed to make a 10 plus point comeback in a game. It's likely why the Ravens will be bounced again in the first round this year. I want no part of it. And if Doug is going to be calling plays, he clearly wants no part of it either as he's as pass happy as they come. 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

I been wrong and I've admitted im wrong. 

Im a firm believer of smoke theres fire. Too many of the same story from too many different sources. 

When the Starting QB had no idea he was going go get pulled you can tell it wasnt planned. And if you played any type of sport and your not mad when the coach does something dumb to cost you the game your not human. 

But sure man. the 20-25 guys who wont be on the roster year were just fine with losing the game on purpose. Hurts, who was shocked and a competitor was ok with losing the game. No one got mad, no one got frustrated. just another day in the office. 

Please provide these. 

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This is a weird hill Schefter wants to die on

Imagine putting (misguided) faith in Carson Wentz over the best reporter in the business.  Such an interesting phenomena, it should be studied in psychology class.

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Please provide these. 

Stop being lazy!!!! 

21 minutes ago, metal said:

Apologies if this has already been posted. Jason Kelce rebukes the report that there were any confrontations on the sidelines between the offensive line and the coach.

 

I am so very deeply going to miss this man when he retires.    That sounds exactly like I would expect it to sound coming from a professional.  Center needs to know how the QB is so that they can get together for the snaps (we see backup QB, or backup C working quickly on the sidelines on that if either the starting QB or C go down and they have a chance to do it)... and it is pretty smart of Kelce to get the OL together to listen to a new cadence.   And... as always... a standup guy taking the blame for the faulty snap (which goes down as a fumble for Sudfeld).  

 

I like that he mentioned that this was talked about DURING THE WEEK to the team.   Seems our boy Miles Sanders, who didn't practice this past week, was caught unawares, likely due to his own disinterest.  If he was paying attention at practice, or to any of the media reports (including the TV BROADCAST of the game) Sudfeld playing was almost a complete and total guarantee.  The only question that really remained was WHEN he was coming into the game, not IF he was coming into the game.  

And once again, its a situation where the vets on the team understand things far better than the young guys... Kelce understands the history with Sudfeld, whereas Miles Sanders does not.   Maybe Miles should just stop talking to the media, since he hasn't learned how to do it, and clearly isn't as connected to what's happening with the team as he tried to portray it.  Seems he needs to grow up a little and not speak off the cuff so much about how 'everyone' feels based on his own feelings. 

 

Oh... and Jeff McLane... go pound rocks you dolt!   

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I am so very deeply going to miss this man when he retires.    That sounds exactly like I would expect it to sound coming from a professional.  Center needs to know how the QB is so that they can get together for the snaps (we see backup QB, or backup C working quickly on the sidelines on that if either the starting QB or C go down and they have a chance to do it)... and it is pretty smart of Kelce to get the OL together to listen to a new cadence.   And... as always... a standup guy taking the blame for the faulty snap (which goes down as a fumble for Sudfeld).  

 

I like that he mentioned that this was talked about DURING THE WEEK to the team.   Seems our boy Miles Sanders, who didn't practice this past week, was caught unawares, likely due to his own disinterest.  If he was paying attention at practice, or to any of the media reports (including the TV BROADCAST of the game) Sudfeld playing was almost a complete and total guarantee.  The only question that really remained was WHEN he was coming into the game, not IF he was coming into the game.  

And once again, its a situation where the vets on the team understand things far better than the young guys... Kelce understands the history with Sudfeld, whereas Miles Sanders does not.   Maybe Miles should just stop talking to the media, since he hasn't learned how to do it, and clearly isn't as connected to what's happening with the team as he tried to portray it.  Seems he needs to grow up a little and not speak off the cuff so much about how 'everyone' feels based on his own feelings. 

 

Oh... and Jeff McLane... go pound rocks you dolt!   

But of course the haters will still run with the first story

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I listened to the interview he had. He said he believed mortensen’s report and he also said he doesn’t have any info just his belief before he said that. 

Yea I know, I heard it too. Just don’t know why he keeps insisting this is what he wants in one breath while saying he doesn’t have any info in the other.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea I know, I heard it too. Just don’t know why he keeps insisting this is what he wants in one breath while saying he doesn’t have any info in the other.

Because he was rebuked by Wentz or his agent for the initial story since it made the diva look bad.  So he’s treading lightly now, but still the truth must come out.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea I know, I heard it too. Just don’t know why he keeps insisting this is what he wants in one breath while saying he doesn’t have any info in the other.

I think you need to read between the lines. They must know something, but can’t and won’t link it to any source. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea I know, I heard it too. Just don’t know why he keeps insisting this is what he wants in one breath while saying he doesn’t have any info in the other.

I’m guessing he’s likely just going based on what mortensen reported as his overall reasoning. I haven’t listened to the mortensen interview he had on 975 monday. But mortensen is usually pretty accurate when he reports. Mort could be completely off base and wrong but it’s not like that’s the norm though. 

21 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The press conference howie had on Monday was basically the same presser he had last year. The birds with friends podcast did an excellent job pointing out he had a lot of quotes being extremely similar from the end of season 2019 that he did this past year. So we are basically in a loop. It’s actually one of their best podcasts of the season. They go into just how bad it is when you listen to the presser and how it’s maddening they keep saying the same thing each year 

They haven't got a clue how to fix it.  And frankly, I believe that deep down, they don't have a clue exactly how broken it is.   So, of course they are going to say the same stupid crap.  They haven't changed their mindset... and every reference to 2017 proves just how misguided they are.  This isn't even remotely close to the same team.  Some of the names are the same, but they are not the same players.   All of them have regressed... did I say all?  Yes, every single one of them.  Seumalo has improved since 2017, but if you recall... he wasn't on the field after about week 2 in that year.  That was Wiz mostly, after they found that Warmack wasn't that guy from Alabama anymore.   

5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Told you guys  yesterday. Barstool sports and BGN had something up well before Mclane;s story. crap I posted here about it before Mclane's story about twitter

 

Sigh, here we go:

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3223519/report-furious-eagles-players-had-to-be-held-back-from-confronting-doug-pederson-on-the-sidelines

Their entire report is based off McLane's false article. Cool.

BGN:

 

 

 

So they have the Sanders quote, which as noted above shows he's out to lunch.

 

 

Here's another tweet from them, hmmmmmmm....

 

 

 

Yet another, which perfectly corresponds to Kelce's version.

 

During my education, we were always taught about Primary Sources. I'm sure @Iggles_Phan the teacher could give you a lesson about this, though I'm also sure he doesn't want to waste his time. 

But, even with all of this, think about it logically for just two seconds. There are how many cameras in an NFL PRIME TIME game? You really think that if there were 2 players being physically restrained from going after Doug they wouldn't have caught it? The media would have eaten that up with a spoon.

Admit you were wrong, and drop the charade that there was any confrontation. 

 

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea I know, I heard it too. Just don’t know why he keeps insisting this is what he wants in one breath while saying he doesn’t have any info in the other.

He probably posts in here as one of the haters

Did I hear correctly that the meeting between Lurie and Doug did not happen yesterday as planned?  Is there anything to read into this?  Any possibility that Lurie meets with Wentz and his agent before meeting with Doug/Howie?

It seems to me Lurie would need to sign off on any plan for the organization to move on from Wentz and eat a bunch of dead money.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

They haven't got a clue how to fix it.  And frankly, I believe that deep down, they don't have a clue exactly how broken it is.   So, of course they are going to say the same stupid crap.  They haven't changed their mindset... and every reference to 2017 proves just how misguided they are.  This isn't even remotely close to the same team.  Some of the names are the same, but they are not the same players.   All of them have regressed... did I say all?  Yes, every single one of them.  Seumalo has improved since 2017, but if you recall... he wasn't on the field after about week 2 in that year.  That was Wiz mostly, after they found that Warmack wasn't that guy from Alabama anymore.   

They also had a quote where he tried to compare the jefferson and reagor pick to Graham and earl thomas from years ago and say thats also a likely outcome. It’s frightening that they keep saying things like before this year the last 3 years we were 35 wins and one of the best in the league. Well since that super bowl season you have 22 wins which would be around 20th in the league so really you haven’t exactly done a great job since. You don’t live off 2017 for the rest of your tenure. 

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Did I hear correctly that the meeting between Lurie and Doug did not happen yesterday as planned?  Is there anything to read into this?  Any possibility that Lurie meets with Wentz and his agent before meeting with Doug/Howie?

It seems to me Lurie would need to sign off on any plan for the organization to move on from Wentz and eat a bunch of dead money.

When was the meeting did not happen reported? Not saying it’s wrong just haven’t seen that report 

 

28 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

damage control. nothing to see here. What did you expect Kelce to say?

doug's an idiot. everyone was in the dark. Doug's a terrible coach and because of it im probably going to retire. The real reason Carson wants to leave is because we have no offensive Identity. 

Wow.   I never thought that anyone could be this stupid.  A first party participant to the events in question completely and unequivocally denies that the thing reported happened.   There is absolutely is no EVIDENCE that it did other than McLane's story which names virtually no one, but the one guy who is named completely calls BS on the entire thing, but you decide to double down on this.  You have outdone yourself, and that's hard to believe.

Seems the only ones in the dark were YOU and Miles Sanders (neither of whom were actually at practice last week).  Literally everyone talking about that game talked about Sudfeld playing, which was why they deactivated Wentz.  So, spin it however you want but the truth has been stated by someone not afraid to speak the truth, and... 

 

Good bye forever.

Everything being said. If Carson believes that him competing with Hurts is not something he's interested in he's wrong. If Carson doesn't want to be a back-up after competing and losing I see nothing wrong with that let him go. If Carson thinks that Doug is too stupid to make the right decision even after Carson (if he does) beats out Hurts then I don't blame him for that either let him go. I honestly agree that Doug is too stupid to know which one of his quarterbacks are better. He doesn't do very well at player evaluation.

11 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

I think you need to read between the lines. They must know something, but can’t and won’t link it to any source. 

They could say anonymous league sources say or something like that. The AP article cited anonymous sources. 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Wait........WHATTTTTTT!!!!?????

26 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I been wrong and I've admitted im wrong. 

Im a firm believer of smoke theres fire. Too many of the same story from too many different sources. 

When the Starting QB had no idea he was going go get pulled you can tell it wasnt planned. And if you played any type of sport and your not mad when the coach does something dumb to cost you the game your not human. 

But sure man. the 20-25 guys who wont be on the roster year were just fine with losing the game on purpose. Hurts, who was shocked and a competitor was ok with losing the game. No one got mad, no one got frustrated. just another day in the office. 

No... there was one story that was echoed around... 

13 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

I think you need to read between the lines. They must know something, but can’t and won’t link it to any source. 

This is what they rely on. Sorry but I disagree, they don't know anything but it gets them clicks

1 minute ago, greend said:

Everything being said. If Carson believes that him competing with Hurts is not something he's interested in he's wrong. If Carson doesn't want to be a back-up after competing and losing I see nothing wrong with that let him go. If Carson thinks that Doug is too stupid to make the right decision even after Carson (if he does) beats out Hurts then I don't blame him for that either let him go. I honestly agree that Doug is too stupid to know which one of his quarterbacks are better. He doesn't do very well at player evaluation.

Yep. I think Carson knows how dumb Doug is. 

It seems that Doug really wants to run an RPO offense, which Carson is not best suited for. He was good at it when he had more mobility, but as injuries and age go on, he'll be less and less effective in an RPO. So unless the offensive strategy completely changes to complement what Wentz does well, why the hell would he want to come back here.