@austinfan Serious question, what would it take to fire Howie? 

Understood that he has some rope for a "rebuild". But if we are picking top 3 in 2022, is that enough to part ways and have somebody else come in? What if we are picking top 3 in 2022 AND 2023? Is that enough? At what point in your mind does it become enough to fire the guy?

I understand the next GM brought in might not be better. But at some point, you've gotta see what somebody else can do, much like a new head coach. 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

1) Some OL got better (Mailata, Driscoll, Herbig). Some got worse (Kelce - injury, Seumalo - injury). Jalen Hurts had 3 starts with Matt Pryor at RT!

2) Hurts absolutely sacked himself...but that's what I mean. Sacks are NOT just an OL stat. They're also a QB sack. Wentz also got sacked too much by holding onto the ball too long. Both our QBs were guilty of this. This issue is a combination of coaching, poor receiver play and poor QB play.

And Wentz had games with Jamon Brown, Sua Opeta and Matt Pryor... what's your point? 

 

The OL was BAD.   The QB play was also bad.   They are both true.   And they were complementarily detrimental to the offense as a whole.  As was the poor WR play.   It was a perfect amalgam of awful.

26 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Huge aviation geek here.  This was awesome.

I was relaxing on Anna Maria Island a d watched them fly right over me on their way to the fly over

1 hour ago, UK Eagle said:

Thanks for the drunk posting and convincing me not to watch the Super Bowl. 

And this just dropped

https://www.phillyvoice.com/carson-wentz-eagles-locker-room-trade-rumors-doug-pederson-jeffrey-lurie-nick-sirianni/

When this guy Joe Santoliquito wrote that anti-Wentz article in 2019, based on anonymous sources, I reacted badly to it.  I thought Carson had endured a lot, given injuries and the process of Nick Foles coming in and winning the super bowl in 2017, and it seemed like a hit piece.  I discredited it given no one at all was on the record, and there were limited specifics.  I now believe I was wrong.

Much of what was said in that article in 2019 has resurfaced here, albeit two years later and in a different form, but it seems to fit much better with what we have seen play out in the past couple of years and especially this year.  I my own state of cognitive dissonance, I was blindly looking to defend Wentz, rather than consider there could be more going on.  There can be 60+ players and 20+ coaches in a locker room that have different opinions and certain people or groups may feel differently than others.

In hindsight, perhaps this guy Joe had courage to publish some things he had learned and had every reason to believe were true, even though the majority of fans like me would have a very negative reaction.  In my mind, he has earned credibility and has been at least partially vindicated.  I'll pay close attention to his future reporting.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Ugh... what a piece of garbage that Santologigalo article is... here's all I need to read: 

 

 

Per above, I have to disagree.  While this new piece is not based on named sources, there are valid reasons given as to why that would not be possible for many.  Maybe more specifics will come out once Carson is gone.  But this reporting seems a lot more believable than it did in 2019 based on known facts and observations...

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

1) Some OL got better (Mailata, Driscoll, Herbig). Some got worse (Kelce - injury, Seumalo - injury). Jalen Hurts had 3 starts with Matt Pryor at RT!

2) Hurts absolutely sacked himself...but that's what I mean. Sacks are NOT just an OL stat. They're also a QB sack. Wentz also got sacked too much by holding onto the ball too long. Both our QBs were guilty of this. This issue is a combination of coaching, poor receiver play and poor QB play.

And the Eagles ran the most vertical routes in the league...with a QB and oline playing like trash. Great coaching there....

but but but...Carson Wentz is THE problem to some of y'all. 

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And Wentz had games with Jamon Brown, Sua Opeta and Matt Pryor... what's your point? 

 

The OL was BAD.   The QB play was also bad.   They are both true.   And they were complementarily detrimental to the offense as a whole.  As was the poor WR play.   It was a perfect amalgam of awful.

Matt pryor was awful in the seattle game and particularly 4th quarter. They had a play that was actually well designed and a good call in the 4th quarter. Hightower is wideeeeee open down the seam. Except Matt pryor got beat at the snap and forced wentz to move and by the time wentz went to throw it would’ve been a cross body and field throw. It was a touchdown if they had just competent RT play like they got from Driscoll. I pointed this out then and people just ignored the fact Matt pryor if not for jamon brown was the worst offensive lineman they had last year. Like Toth in his limited action was better. 

36 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Huge aviation geek here.  This was awesome.

What the one on the left the old spy plane? U2 or something

I knew Mahomes was running for his life last night  but damn

 

Mahomes ran for 498 yards last night before letting go of all his passes

12 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Do we know if there's a QB worthy of the #1 pick for next years draft yet?

Got Howell who’s expected to go no. 1. Also got Oklahoma’s QB rattler who’s projected as a top pick. 

8 minutes ago, John_C said:

When this guy Joe Santoliquito wrote that anti-Wentz article in 2019, based on anonymous sources, I reacted badly to it.  I thought Carson had endured a lot, given injuries and the process of Nick Foles coming in and winning the super bowl in 2017, and it seemed like a hit piece.  I discredited it given no one at all was on the record, and there were limited specifics.  I now believe I was wrong.

Much of what was said in that article in 2019 has resurfaced here, albeit two years later and in a different form, but it seems to fit much better with what we have seen play out in the past couple of years and especially this year.  I my own state of cognitive dissonance, I was blindly looking to defend Wentz, rather than consider there could be more going on.  There can be 60+ players and 20+ coaches in a locker room that have different opinions and certain people or groups may feel differently than others.

In hindsight, perhaps this guy Joe had courage to publish some things he had learned and had every reason to believe were true, even though the majority of fans like me would have a very negative reaction.  In my mind, he has earned credibility and has been at least partially vindicated.  I'll pay close attention to his future reporting.

Per above, I have to disagree.  While this new piece is not based on named sources, there are valid reasons given as to why that would not be possible for many.  Maybe more specifics will come out once Carson is gone.  But this reporting seems a lot more believable than it did in 2019 based on known facts and observations...

It does not take courage for a reporter to run a hit piece based on anonymous sources, especially since those types of stories get a ton of views. They don't give a flying F what they report as long as it gets clicks, that's why they write about controversial stuff ad nauseum. They know people will read it and react to it. There is nothing courageous about sports "reporting"

30 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

If the Eagles trade Wentz for peanuts, then I hope they go 0-16 next year. That would:

1) give the idiot fans exactly what they deserve;

2) give me a small measure of schadenfreude; and, most importantly,

3) punch Howie's ticket out of town.

agree on all counts. trade for peanuts while taking a 34 million dollar hit. one of the dumbest moves in nfl history

4 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

What the one on the left the old spy plane? U2 or something

From left. 

B-1

B-2

B-52

 

The U-2 is a wild plane. They require a chase vehicle (pickup truck or something) to follow the plane as it lands on the runway and they communicate with the pilot to tell him when he's about 1 foot off the runway so he can put the plane in a stall.  

 

Also, some BONE action

6 minutes ago, ShutDownDB said:

And the Eagles ran the most vertical routes in the league...with a QB and oline playing like trash. Great coaching there....

but but but...Carson Wentz is THE problem to some of y'all. 

I actually don’t believe the stat that said they ran the most vertical routes in the league.  
 

They had the lowest yards per pass attempt in the nfl.  They had the lowest yards per pass completion in the nfl.  They had the lowest air yards traveled per pass in the nfl.

I realize those are different stats than number of vertical routes.  I just find it hard to believe that the team that threw the most horizontal dink and dunk passes in the entire nfl was simultaneously running the most vertical routes in the league.

Regarding last night...

Looked obvious to me one team was much better on both the offensive and defensive lines.  Both had playmakers and difference makers on both sides of the ball, but one team was missing their starting offensive tackles and couldn't pass protect at all, and their QB was clearly limited with an injury.

How many times were the Bucs able to run off tackle for positive yards?  All night long in multiple situations.  On the other side, the Chiefs could not block them.  Could not run the ball and could not pass protect.  Bucs had two safeties deep and their pass rush dominated... covered well too.

The officiating in the first half was unfortunate.  Multiple very marginal game changing type calls, perhaps it could have been a closer game.  Seemed like everything went against the Chiefs, every play was a hold, taking away the key INT, then they gift of downs with the offside... Bucs still would have prevailed in all likelihood, but it put the game out of reach early and the refs are part of the story far too often.

Had both tackles been available for the Chiefs and if Mahomes was healthy, maybe they could have outscored the Bucs and pressured them to play differently.  Could have been a great game.  The injuries definitely played a big part in the outcome IMO.

 

20 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

he's Lurie's long lost love child...

More like a "hate" screwing child. That now he has to take care of.

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The OL was BAD.   The QB play was also bad.   They are both true.   And they were complementarily detrimental to the offense as a whole.  As was the poor WR play.   It was a perfect amalgam of awful.

I'm less hard on the OL, because I benchmark them to the rest of the league. OL play around the league is really, really bad. As disappointing as our OL was this year...it was probably the best OL in the NFCE.

You're overall premise was right though. We were a bottom 5 offense this year 😞

2 minutes ago, greend said:

agree on all counts. trade for peanuts while taking a 34 million dollar hit. one of the dumbest moves in nfl history

Which is whybthe smart move is to tell Carson play this year and prove it (while making alot) and if you still want out, fine we will trade you then as the cap manuveurs are much less toxic

1 minute ago, devpool said:

It does not take courage for a reporter to run a hit piece based on anonymous sources, especially since those types of stories get a ton of views. They don't give a flying F what they report as long as it gets clicks, that's why they write about controversial stuff ad nauseum. They know people will read it and react to it. There is nothing courageous about sports "reporting"

That's absolutely fair, but they do care about their own credibility I think.  I just wanted to admit, it looks like this reporter who I blasted two years ago may have been spot on with what he reported back then and now.

Just checking in to see if our FO has completed the full destruction of this once-promising team yet

I hope they watched Mahomes look like garbage last night and learned a little bit about Wentz' performance last season

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He's a doooshh... but wait until next year.  He's going to have a big year.  Talent is huge.  

I’m for the wait until next year with the eagles taking a QB. Unless you absolutely love one of the QBs after Lawrence. I tend to believe they’d talk themselves into it then actually believe the QB is. To me See what the heck hurts is. I don’t think he’s what the eagles think but you aren’t going to be very good in 2021. Might as well see what you have in hurts and build up the roster with the picks this year. If hurts plays good then you found your QB. If he doesn’t you aren’t good anyway so you’ll likely be picking top 10. You build up the roster so when the kid you draft gets here that he’s not put at a major disadvantage with lack of talent around him. Plus you aren’t wasting a year of his rookie contract with talent that’s not even adequate 

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Which is whybthe smart move is to tell Carson play this year and prove it (while making alot) and if you still want out, fine we will trade you then as the cap manuveurs are much less toxic

Carson probably believes that the way the team is formed it would be pretty tough for him to play good enough to make a difference without getting injured. God forbid he plays "hero ball"

3 minutes ago, greend said:

Carson probably believes that the way the team is formed it would be pretty tough for him to play good enough to make a difference without getting injured. God forbid he plays "hero ball"

I told all of you 3 years ago the hero ball was going to ruin Wentz.

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

I'm less hard on the OL, because I benchmark them to the rest of the league. OL play around the league is really, really bad. As disappointing as our OL was this year...it was probably the best OL in the NFCE.

You're overall premise was right though. We were a bottom 5 offense this year 😞

 this is the best you can do in defense of the line? And even then I highly doubt it.  45 million different o-line combinations and you have the guts to act like people are just making excuses for Carson?  Here's a clue RC nobody has excused his bad play, you however seem to want to excuse the bad play by the rest of the Fing offense. Best in the NFC east 

 

Here's their trophy 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I told all of you 3 years ago the hero ball was going to ruin Wentz.

And here's yours

 

10 minutes ago, John_C said:

That's absolutely fair, but they do care about their own credibility I think.  I just wanted to admit, it looks like this reporter who I blasted two years ago may have been spot on with what he reported back then and now.

Eh i think credibility with how social media is nowadays is flimsy. Literally mclane wrote reich and the colts don’t have interest in wentz. Two days later the colts are the team with the bears with the most being reported by multiple others and then mclane hops on board. People tend to forget over time unless they do something really egregious. 

Also not surprised something was leaked probably from the eagles. Of course they are going to make spin because even if wentz was awful they look like fools for giving him that 100 dollar deal, drafting a QB in the second round then trading him a year later. At least they can sell the optics if they put this out there that it wasn’t their fault all these things were happening and we needed to do it.

Amazing how fans on this blog and board manage to not realize when the Eagles are trying to make a spin to take the pressure and optics off of them. This happens every time something like this goes on. This isn’t just a Carson Wentz thing. This is a Philadelphia Eagles when they make a move like this that’s what they do. Desean with the gang situation. Mccoy trade they released some stuff. There’s bunch more. Zach berman and bo wulf have discussed this before. Wulf worked with the eagles so he had first hand knowledge of them doing it. 

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I actually don’t believe the stat that said they ran the most vertical routes in the league.  
 

They had the lowest yards per pass attempt in the nfl.  They had the lowest yards per pass completion in the nfl.  They had the lowest air yards traveled per pass in the nfl.

I realize those are different stats than number of vertical routes.  I just find it hard to believe that the team that threw the most horizontal dink and dunk passes in the entire nfl was simultaneously running the most vertical routes in the league.

Well I don't have the time or patience to watch every snap on All 22, so I kinda have to take their word for the people that do.