1 minute ago, greend said:

 this is the best you can do in defense of the line? And even then I highly doubt it.  45 million different o-line combinations and you have the guts to act like people are just making excuses for Carson?  Here's a clue RC nobody has excused his bad play, you however seem to want to excuse the bad play by the rest of the Fing offense. Best in the NFC east 

There are a lot of people excusing the QB. 

Even with clean pockets and open WRs, he was missing. So whose fault is that exactly?

People forget Jeff Garcia, who has a nice career, and in 2006 stepped in for McNabb and out played him with the same talent, and took that team to the 2nd rd of the playoffs with an average defense. Made the pro bowl four times in his career.

Garcia had an average arm, a thin frame, but was a very smart QB. Didn't get to start until he was 29, at age 36-38, QBR 67.1, 59.4, 69.3.

In his "younger days" he ran the ball, 414, 254, 353, 319, but in his Philly and TB days he was less mobile.

Garcia is the type of QB I'd have Hurts study, use your mobility to buy time and create plays, but focus on learning to read defenses and work on your mechanics to improve accuracy.

 

oh gosh 

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

People forget Jeff Garcia, who has a nice career, and in 2006 stepped in for McNabb and out played him with the same talent, and took that team to the 2nd rd of the playoffs with an average defense. Made the pro bowl four times in his career.

Garcia had an average arm, a thin frame, but was a very smart QB. Didn't get to start until he was 29, at age 36-38, QBR 67.1, 59.4, 69.3.

In his "younger days" he ran the ball, 414, 254, 353, 319, but in his Philly and TB days he was less mobile.

Garcia is the type of QB I'd have Hurts study, use your mobility to buy time and create plays, but focus on learning to read defenses and work on your mechanics to improve accuracy.

Nice pivot from fluffing Wentz to fluffing Hurts.

17 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I told all of you 3 years ago the hero ball was going to ruin Wentz.

It didnt "ruin" Wentz, he'll go somewhere with good coaching and magically be fine again

No idea why people continue to act like a 28 year old man is a piece of farm equipment.  He'll be just fine.  The Eagles?  Not so much from what it appears

As far as black HCs, both Leftwich and Bowles will be hot commodities next year, the same as if they were white coaches.

The key isn't hiring black HCs, it's hiring black interns and assistant coaches, then letting the cream rise to the top - the problem is they struggle to get that first job due to the "old boys" network. If the Eagles fix Wentz or develop Hurts into a competent starting QB, Johnson will be a hot commodity in a couple years for an OC job.

Interesting in the Santoloquito article posted today his sources straight up denied McLanes report about Carson killing plays to spite Doug.

14 minutes ago, RLC said:

There are a lot of people excusing the QB. 

Even with clean pockets and open WRs, he was missing. So whose fault is that exactly?

Let Mahomes get hit like he did last night over and over again.  And then change the OL over and over again.

I wonder how he'd play

Edit:. Oh and take away Tyreek Hill and CEH

8 minutes ago, austinfan said:

People forget Jeff Garcia, who has a nice career, and in 2006 stepped in for McNabb and out played him with the same talent, and took that team to the 2nd rd of the playoffs with an average defense. Made the pro bowl four times in his career.

Garcia had an average arm, a thin frame, but was a very smart QB. Didn't get to start until he was 29, at age 36-38, QBR 67.1, 59.4, 69.3.

In his "younger days" he ran the ball, 414, 254, 353, 319, but in his Philly and TB days he was less mobile.

Garcia is the type of QB I'd have Hurts study, use your mobility to buy time and create plays, but focus on learning to read defenses and work on your mechanics to improve accuracy.

He was starting a lot in the CFL. He was pretty, pretty good up here...

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Nice pivot from fluffing Wentz to fluffing Hurts.

Not a matter of fluffing, people obsess on draft picks with big arms, most fail. In pro sports, intangibles are as important as talent.

Both Wentz and Hurts can win in the NFL, they just have different routes to success.

Wentz has to learn to be a pocket QB, he can still buy time with his legs, but he wasn't that fast before his injuries, and he's slower now. He needs to work on smoothing his mechanics and becoming more decisive, especially throwing the ball away instead of playing "hero" ball.

Hurts can succeed if he works to improve his mechanics, adding arm strength and accuracy, and learns how to read NFL defenses and go through his progressions - do that, and his ability to run becomes a greater asset b/c DCs can't focus on it. He doesn't need a gun, you can have a great career without ever hitting a deep out or throwing across your body. He just needs enough zip to get through small windows within 30 yards of the LOS and the accuracy to place the ball so his WR can run under it.

Hurts isn't going to magically add arm strength

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Nice pivot from fluffing Wentz to fluffing Hurts.

Spuds would be proud

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

He was starting a lot in the CFL. He was pretty, pretty good up here...

Minor leagues. 😄 The football equivalent of the AHL.

Actually, the NFL should develop an agreement with the CFL, it could be a good developmental league and it would improve the quality of the CFL if they could get more access to NFL practice squad types for 2-3 year contracts, the way NHL teams leave prospects in the SHL or KHL.

Just now, austinfan said:

Minor leagues. 😄 The football equivalent of the AHL.

Actually, the NFL should develop an agreement with the CFL, it could be a good developmental league and it would improve the quality of the CFL if they could get more access to NFL practice squad types for 2-3 year contracts, the way NHL teams leave prospects in the SHL or KHL.

I actually would agree with the development league idea, but it would never fly with the die hard CFL people, who are the only ones keeping it afloat. 

That being said, some pretty good QBs have come outta the CFL...Moon, Flutie, Garcia, Thiesmann. Hasn't happened in a while though. 

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

Would be funny if he's not traded and the team just ignores all of these reports while this place goes insane all offseason

Or if Hurts is traded instead.

18 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Eh i think credibility with how social media is nowadays is flimsy. Literally mclane wrote reich and the colts don’t have interest in wentz. Two days later the colts are the team with the bears with the most being reported by multiple others and then mclane hops on board. People tend to forget over time unless they do something really egregious. 

Also not surprised something was leaked probably from the eagles. Of course they are going to make spin because even if wentz was awful they look like fools for giving him that 100 dollar deal, drafting a QB in the second round then trading him a year later. At least they can sell the optics if they put this out there that it wasn’t their fault all these things were happening and we needed to do it.

Amazing how fans on this blog and board manage to not realize when the Eagles are trying to make a spin to take the pressure and optics off of them. This happens every time something like this goes on. This isn’t just a Carson Wentz thing. This is a Philadelphia Eagles when they make a move like this that’s what they do. Desean with the gang situation. Mccoy trade they released some stuff. There’s bunch more. Zach berman and bo wulf have discussed this before. Wulf worked with the eagles so he had first hand knowledge of them doing it. 

Oh I completely agree with you, especially on how the Eagles have always conducted themselves.  I've previously called out many of the things you referenced here as transparent moves by the team.  They go as far as making up stories and releasing false information.

It's also why after observing the behaviors and actions over these many years I can usually see what they are doing before they do it.

In this particular case, the information being reported does not benefit the team -- quite the opposite.  Anything negative on Wentz before he is traded could impact his value.  They no longer have to worry about public/fan opinion or support, after how he played last year.  And they don't seem to care about that anyway, at least not anymore.  With the retention of Roseman and the entire personnel decision making structure, they have crossed over from being at least an apparent meritocracy to a place where nepotism prevails and the owners whims are all that matters.  

22 minutes ago, RLC said:

There are a lot of people excusing the QB. 

Even with clean pockets and open WRs, he was missing. So whose fault is that exactly?

Who?

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hurts isn't going to magically add arm strength

QBs can add arm strength, but it's not going to go from a 7 to a 9. It's more like a 7 to a 7.2, 7.3

Physically, Hurts is who he is.

51 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I play golf at Renault in south jersey here and there and almost always get to see 3-4 COOL military aircrafts basically right on top of you. 

I was doing field work in a mountain range that borders White Sands Missile Range. We were at the the top of a peak above the tree line. Suddenly, two German Air Force jets came screaming overhead. We did not hear them until they were right on top of us. There were directly overhead as we could look directly up to see their undersurfaces and they were less than 100 feet above our heads.

Scared the crap out of us!

3 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

Other side of the coin: 2019 Carson out of the pocket: 72% completion rate, 9 TDs - 0 INT.  2020 game plan: keep Carson in the pocket all the time!  Brilliant coaching.  We all know Carson is not a typical pocket passer.

They did say Carson was notorious about changing the play so hard to gauge DP’s playcalling. 
 

Strange if true that Sirianni doesn’t want to deal with CW while Riech his mentor going after him somewhat aggressively ( but we’ll have to see how aggressively ).

40 minutes ago, RLC said:

I'm less hard on the OL, because I benchmark them to the rest of the league. OL play around the league is really, really bad. As disappointing as our OL was this year...it was probably the best OL in the NFCE.

You're overall premise was right though. We were a bottom 5 offense this year 😞

Judging anything by the NFC East this past year is not a recipe for proper assessment. 

7 minutes ago, John_C said:

Oh I completely agree with you, especially on how the Eagles have always conducted themselves.  I've previously called out many of the things you referenced here as transparent moves by the team.  They go as far as making up stories and releasing false information.

It's also why after observing the behaviors and actions over these many years I can usually see what they are doing before they do it.

In this particular case, the information being reported does not benefit the team -- quite the opposite.  Anything negative on Wentz before he is traded could impact his value.  They no longer have to worry about public/fan opinion or support, after how he played last year.  And they don't seem to care about that anyway, at least not anymore.  With the retention of Roseman and the entire personnel decision making structure, they have crossed over from being at least an apparent meritocracy to a place where nepotism prevails and the owners whims are all that matters.  

I’ll disagree with the last paragraph. It really doesn’t hurt them at this point cause colts and bears are interested and willing to make a deal. I don’t think this story is going to change their view point at the moment or say actually after reading this story we don’t want to make a move.there’s already been others so they likely tone it out anyway or take it with a grain of salt  

It actually benefits the eagles with the fans cause they’ll turn on wentz more with the info. so they’ll justify it as they should trade him and be less about the eagles botching the situation over the years. This is the ultimate the Eagles want you to look over there because if you look at them it looks just as bad. Not that wentz played great or is not at fault. He is 100% at fault too. but they’re trying to get you to look at it as look at all these things he’s done this is why we have to make the move  because it makes it easier for their mistake to be justified and you not be as harsh on them. It’s using misdirection to take the heat off the organization. 

3 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

They did say Carson was notorious about changing the play so hard to gauge DP’s playcalling. 
 

Strange if true that Sirianni doesn’t want to deal with CW while Riech his mentor going after him somewhat aggressively ( but we’ll have to see how aggressively ).

That was refuted today

41 minutes ago, John_C said:

That's absolutely fair, but they do care about their own credibility I think.  I just wanted to admit, it looks like this reporter who I blasted two years ago may have been spot on with what he reported back then and now.

And I still take issue with rats that air dirty laundry and hide behind anonymity.   Lives are not in danger here, livelihoods are.   And if you are going to take pot shots at someone else's livelihood... put your name to it, even if it hurts your livelihood.   Or better yet, take off your bra and be a man.  Men deal with their issues face to face.  If you don't get satisfaction talking directly to him, go up the chain of command... and if you are still dissatisfied... make your feelings known to the powers that be and ask to be given your release or a trade ... all of this should happen behind closed doors.    Not anonymously in the paper.   

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

You can argue who called and who didnt call the plays.

The problem is the play designed sucked ass after Reich left. 

The fact that Carson had to change the plays so much is telling. What a dumpster fire.