2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And I still take issue with rats that air dirty laundry and hide behind anonymity.   Lives are not in danger here, livelihoods are.   And if you are going to take pot shots at someone else's livelihood... put your name to it, even if it hurts your livelihood.   Or better yet, take off your bra and be a man.  Men deal with their issues face to face.  If you don't get satisfaction talking directly to him, go up the chain of command... and if you are still dissatisfied... make your feelings known to the powers that be and ask to be given your release or a trade ... all of this should happen behind closed doors.    Not anonymously in the paper.   

I forget who tweeted it but somebody in the blog m posted it I want to say a month or two months ago where it was a prominent reporter that said a lot of these journalist if you knew who their source was you would laugh and not believe a word that was report to them because of the source credentials and past.

31 minutes ago, RLC said:

There are a lot of people excusing the QB. 

Even with clean pockets and open WRs, he was missing. So whose fault is that exactly?

🤦‍♂️    See the signature.    Everyone can have a piece of the blame.   The QB is to blame for HIS bad throws.  The OL is to blame for their missed assignments.  The WRs are to blame for sucking.   The coaches are to blame for not correcting the previous list.   The GM is to blame for assembling this turd show.   

 

It's really not that complicated.  Why does everything have to be blamed on one person?   But the sad part is that each of these factors played into the struggles by the other groups.   It's a tangled web, it's not a linear breakdown, that's what makes it dysfunctional and needed to be completely rebuilt.   Sadly, the architect will get to poorly build again.    The next WR Howie drafts that's a competent NFL player here will be the first.   And he's been in that position long enough that the law of averages should have worked in his favor by now.   Same goes for CB.

5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Hero ball didnt ruin Wentz.  and I agree he's not ruined. 

This is also the difference between Wentz haters, Wentz lovers and normal people like myself.

Wentz played bad. Really bad this year. 

Here's the question though... Did he play bad cause his coach was incomptent, that his GM got him no talent around him. Cause speical teams blew. That the defense gave the offense one of the the worst starting field positions in football

Or did he play bad "Cause he done got ruined cause he be like a hero ball" 

Eagles fan base is incredible dumb 

Like you, I consider myself objective and reasonable about Wentz. Within this scope I find criticism of his leadership presence as well as how he approaches his job. Is it reasonable to add his mechanics issues to the discussion and potentially central to why he has regressed since 2017 when he used a QB guru? This single thing, in my mind, holds the highest degree of risk and reward. Clearly, within the Eagles organization he has not gotten the feedback or support that this is an expectation of season commitment to his craft. Not for every QB but certainly for those who have persistent mechanics issues that cause overthrows, for example. The risk is that he doesn't agree and believes that there are many other factors that underlie his poor play.   The reward is that upon reuniting with Reich, Flip or an organization that makes working on his mechanics a condition of his employment, he will regain better accuracy and efficiency as a QB. Either way, I think this boat has sailed with the Eagles organization and this is why trading him is the best current option but also reflective of organizational failure. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

🤦‍♂️    See the signature.    Everyone can have a piece of the blame.   The QB is to blame for HIS bad throws.  The OL is to blame for their missed assignments.  The WRs are to blame for sucking.   The coaches are to blame for not correcting the previous list.   The GM is to blame for assembling this turd show.   

 

It's really not that complicated.  Why does everything have to be blamed on one person?   But the sad part is that each of these factors played into the struggles by the other groups.   It's a tangled web, it's not a linear breakdown, that's what makes it dysfunctional and needed to be completely rebuilt.   Sadly, the architect will get to poorly build again.    The next WR Howie drafts that's a competent NFL player here will be the first.   And he's been in that position long enough that the law of averages should have worked in his favor by now.   Same goes for CB.

Could say the same with LB. what linebacker has he drafted that has turned out well? Hicks was a chip pick when he took over in 2015. The only one close is kendricks back in 2012. Which looks worse because he supposedly passed up Wilson for kendricks and Wagner was a better lb pick taken a pick later

15 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Minor leagues. 😄 The football equivalent of the AHL.

Actually, the NFL should develop an agreement with the CFL, it could be a good developmental league and it would improve the quality of the CFL if they could get more access to NFL practice squad types for 2-3 year contracts, the way NHL teams leave prospects in the SHL or KHL.

Your view is rather ignorant, but since you lack any real historical knowledge of the CFL I wouldn’t expect anything else.

The CFL is a much different game — an apples to oranges comparison.  Only having 3 downs, 12 players, and a wider field with a longer end zone makes comparison quite difficult.  It should be noted that Jeff Garcia’s career CFL stats vs NFL stats are virtually identical in terms of completion percentage and TD/INT ratio — so using him as an example of CFL inferiority doesn’t pass any smell test.

It is fair to say, however, the level of overall play in the current CFL is not what it once was 20-30 years ago.

 

 

26 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

I knew Mahomes was running for his life last night  but damn

 

Mahomes ran for 498 yards last night before letting go of all his passes

Good Lord - Tampa's d-line just got after him.   While I think KC missing their starting tackles impacted them dramatically, I am not sure KC would have had time even if they were playing. Bowles did an excellent job shutting down the intermediate and deep throws.  I also think the d-line really disrupted the screen game as well.  Of course, Andy didn't seem to adjust his game plan to take what was open.  

17 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

🤦‍♂️    See the signature.    Everyone can have a piece of the blame.   The QB is to blame for HIS bad throws.  The OL is to blame for their missed assignments.  The WRs are to blame for sucking.   The coaches are to blame for not correcting the previous list.   The GM is to blame for assembling this turd show.   

 

It's really not that complicated.  Why does everything have to be blamed on one person?   But the sad part is that each of these factors played into the struggles by the other groups.   It's a tangled web, it's not a linear breakdown, that's what makes it dysfunctional and needed to be completely rebuilt.   Sadly, the architect will get to poorly build again.    The next WR Howie drafts that's a competent NFL player here will be the first.   And he's been in that position long enough that the law of averages should have worked in his favor by now.   Same goes for CB.

It's funny how everyone can understand how football is a team sport but everyone has to point at who is to blame as if it is a single person or thing.  

 

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

Mahomes ran for 498 yards last night before letting go of all his passes

I am sure this is an exageration, but I bet it is close.  Looks like you posted that from somewhere else, got a link ??

12 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

When did the entire o-line collapse on almost every play this season?  Most of the time the pressure would come from ONE side of the line.  And they had their fair share of overall solid games mixed in as well. 

I don't want to start this up here because it's beating a dead horse but if your QB is in the pocket for over 2.5 seconds and pressure begins after 2.5 seconds, the offensive line did their job.  It may "appear" to be the offensive line's fault in that scenario but the majority of the responsibility at that point would be on the QB's shoulders to either attempt to escape the pressure or throw the ball away. 

Weeks 1 through 17.  

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Good Lord - Tampa's d-line just got after him.   While I think KC missing their starting tackles impacted them dramatically, I am not sure KC would have had time even if they were playing. Bowles did an excellent job shutting down the intermediate and deep throws.  I also think the d-line really disrupted the screen game as well.  Of course, Andy didn't seem to adjust his game plan to take what was open.  

I actually think the Kansas City Chiefs gameplan to start the game was an issue last night.  they didn’t go to the running game earlier in the game when Tampa Bay was trying to prevent Tyree kill from beating them down the field. You saw CEH get nice yards on the ground once they started giving him touches. Those touches were there earlier in the game they just didn’t wanna do it and tampa knew the chiefs wanted to throw the ball down the field. If KC runs the ball earlier in that game and sticks to it I think you would have seen Tampa move their safeties down to help out with the run and then they would’ve gotten more plays open down the field. But they just kept trying to throw the ball and that played into what Tampa wanted them to do especially with their pass rush. I think Bowles knew reid wouldn’t commit to the run early in the game and had confidence his pass rush and scheme would make the chiefs pay. 

2 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

 

The all important anonymous third team! 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I actually think the Kansas City Chiefs gameplan to start the game was an issue last night.  they didn’t go to the running game earlier in the game when Tampa Bay was trying to prevent Tyree kill from beating them down the field. You saw CEH get nice yards on the ground once they started giving him touches. Those touches were there earlier in the game they just didn’t wanna do it and tampa knew the chiefs wanted to throw the ball down the field. If KC runs the ball earlier in that game and sticks to it I think you would have seen Tampa move their safeties down to help out with the run and then they would’ve gotten more plays open down the field. But they just kept trying to throw the ball and that played into what Tampa wanted them to do especially with their pass rush. I think Bowles knew reid wouldn’t commit to the run early in the game and had confidence his pass rush and scheme would make the chiefs pay. 

Could have said the same in 5 words.  Andy doesn't run the ball.

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

Good Lord - Tampa's d-line just got after him.   While I think KC missing their starting tackles impacted them dramatically, I am not sure KC would have had time even if they were playing. Bowles did an excellent job shutting down the intermediate and deep throws.  I also think the d-line really disrupted the screen game as well.  Of course, Andy didn't seem to adjust his game plan to take what was open.  

The argument was always Earl Thomas vs BG but I think the bigger argument could be made that they took the wrong DE in that draft.  All fireworks jokes aside, JPP as put together quite a solid career, as has BG.  Of course, BG has one of the biggest plays in Eagles history but career wise JPP blows him out of the water.

BG- 159 games, 414 tackles, 59 sacks and 19 forced fumbles, 7 fumbles recovered  

JPP-153 games, 573 tackes, 88.5 sacks, 20 forced fumbles, 10 fumbles recovered and 4 INTs.

 

Just now, downundermike said:

Could have said the same in 5 words.  Andy doesn't run the ball.

I like to be wordy. 

4 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's directed at MIke Kaye, not you.

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Could say the same with LB. what linebacker has he drafted that has turned out well? Hicks was a chip pick when he took over in 2015. The only one close is kendricks back in 2012. Which looks worse because he supposedly passed up Wilson for kendricks and Wagner was a better lb pick taken a pick later

Lavonte David and Bobby Wagner were on the board, and I feel like a strong contingent of us (non-expert) fans wanted either of those guys over Kendricks. Howie sucks at assessing talent. Also, the Wilson gaffe is inexcusable. If you have a QB who you think can be your franchise guy you grab him. You dont play around with draft order or think,  "oh I am pretty sure he will be around when..." I dont want to hear about how you really wanted the guy a year or two later when he is a lighting the league up. Ridiculous...

15 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Your view is rather ignorant, but since you lack any real historical knowledge of the CFL I wouldn’t expect anything else.

The CFL is a much different game — an apples to oranges comparison.  Only having 3 downs, 12 players, and a wider field with a longer end zone makes comparison quite difficult.  It should be noted that Jeff Garcia’s career CFL stats vs NFL stats are virtually identical in terms of completion percentage and TD/INT ratio — so using him as an example of CFL inferiority doesn’t pass any smell test.

It is fair to say, however, the level of overall play in the current CFL is not what it once was 20-30 years ago.

European hockey rinks are larger than NHL rinks, so the game is more about speed, which is why a lot of European players need a little AHL time to adjust to the NA pro game.

The CFL is a good league for QBs, WRs and DBs to develop because they get lots of reps, not so much for linemen and RBs.

As the NFL incorporates more college spread and RPO concepts, it's probably an easier adjustment for CFL players.

If I were a college spread QB, I'd go CFL if I can start there rather than try to win a 3rd QB job on a NFL team where at best I'll be on the scout team instead of getting reps.

5 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

 

Then Lurie and Howie need to get in a little raft and paddle their arses off to catch up to that boat.

How the hell did we go from 2019 to now where we have a totally new staff and Jalen Hurts?  Jesus 

Just now, QBhunter58 said:

Lavonte David and Bobby Wagner were on the board, and I feel like a strong contingent of us (non-expert) fans wanted either of those guys over Kendricks. Howie sucks at assessing talent. Also, the Wilson gaffe is inexcusable. If you have a QB who you think can be your franchise guy you grab him. You dont play around with draft order or think,  "oh I am pretty sure he will be around when..." I dont want to hear about how you really wanted the guy a year or two later when he is a lighting the league up. Ridiculous...

Howie doesn't assess talent, his scouts do. Howie works off the draft board.

I think what they mean with Wilson was they thought he was a steal in the 3rd rd, not that they thought at the time he'd be a NFL starting QB.

Had they traded up to take Wilson, you would have heard the exact same criticisms you've heard about the Hurts pick.

Just now, QBhunter58 said:

Lavonte David and Bobby Wagner were on the board, and I feel like a strong contingent of us (non-expert) fans wanted either of those guys over Kendricks. Howie sucks at assessing talent. Also, the Wilson gaffe is inexcusable. If you have a QB who you think can be your franchise guy you grab him. You dont play around with draft order or think,  "oh I am pretty sure he will be around when..." I dont want to hear about how you really wanted the guy a year or two later when he is a lighting the league up. Ridiculous...

Yeah I’m really tired of hearing the Eagles talk about they really wanted Russell Wilson but then they had to second round picks and decided not to take him. You didn’t love him that much if you allowed him to pass you by twice in the second round and in the first round if you thought he was a franchise QB. You didn’t draft him I don’t give a crap if you loved him. It means nothing 

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Carson for Quenton Nelson straight up! 

Really tempting!

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

The third team is the Eagles.  Duh.  

Howie gonna swindle himself out of the 6 pick.