4 hours ago, RLC said:

The Eagles OL was not a train-wreck this year (the advanced stats) back it up.
Yesterday, the Chiefs gave up the most pressure in the history of the SB.

The excuses for Wentz are crazy.

 

Stats are fine and help paint a picture, but stats without context are just numbers.

Here's some context to consider:

First, the Advanced Stats 'backing up' that the Eagles OL was not a train wreck this year.  So having the most OL combinations in NFL history is not a problem?  From what I recall reading The Blog on game days was loads of comments about how our OL looked out of sorts most of the time.

Pertaining to pass accuracy, do these advanced stats consider the JAG WRs who couldn't get separation or an O scheme without any pre-snap motion to help scheme guys open?

The years for these results are 2018 to 2020, starting one year AFTER the SB season and AFTER Reich and DeFilippo left.  The seasons that Doug didn't have a strong OC to help design plays and the plan the O scheme, the seasons that Doug continued to run the O like it was during the SB run (because it worked so well) meaning an O tailored to Foles with RPOs instead of one tailored to play to Wentz's strengths? 

Now, if you can find me his pass accuracy from a clean pocket for 2016 and 2017 and it's still poor then we have a definite pattern.  Though 2016 he was a rookie with very little PS and was kind of thrown in there so I wouldn't expect those numbers to be that good.  However, if in his 'on track to be' MVP season of 2017 he was still struggling with comp% in a clean pocket then there's a clear problem with him.

Point is you can slant almost anything to your desired outcome with 'stats' if you don't use all the context for those stats or if you only use the context that backs up your stats.  If we're going to do this then let's do it right and then see what the results say.  Cool?

 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

There are a lot of people excusing the QB. 

Even with clean pockets and open WRs, he was missing. So whose fault is that exactly?

Name some

46 minutes ago, John_C said:

With the retention of Roseman and the entire personnel decision making structure, they have crossed over from being at least an apparent meritocracy to a place where nepotism prevails and the owners whims are all that matters.  

Saddest part is that I don't think Lurie is self-aware enough to even acknowledge this to himself, let alone any one else.   At least Jerry knows he's a meddler.

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Howie doesn't assess talent, his scouts do. Howie works off the draft board.

I think what they mean with Wilson was they thought he was a steal in the 3rd rd, not that they thought at the time he'd be a NFL starting QB.

Had they traded up to take Wilson, you would have heard the exact same criticisms you've heard about the Hurts pick.

I am not trying to criticize your point because I agree, they never explicitly said they saw him as a guaranteed NFL starter.

But explain this logic...So according to the eagles Wilson was steal in the late third round? By that logic, 'steal' infers he has somehow dropped. The eagles had a late second round pick to select vinny curry; why didnt they use that on Russell if they really felt he was a 3rd round steal?

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The all important anonymous third team! 

It's the 2 teams vying for him,  and the team trading him.  That's the 3 teams. 

I know a guy who says the 3rd team is the Philadphia Stars.   Wentz and the 2022 1st for Chuck Fusina, Kelvin Bryant, and owner Myles Tanenbaum.

16 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

 

So what you're telling us is @Wallyhorse real name is Mike Kaye.

36 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I forget who tweeted it but somebody in the blog m posted it I want to say a month or two months ago where it was a prominent reporter that said a lot of these journalist if you knew who their source was you would laugh and not believe a word that was report to them because of the source credentials and past.

Likely true.  Which is why an unnamed source gets zero credibility from me.  It could be the ball boy for all we know.  I don't care what you think or say if you've got no spine.  

55 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hurts isn't going to magically add arm strength

it's 10lbs of muscle time 

32 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I am sure this is an exageration, but I bet it is close.  Looks like you posted that from somewhere else, got a link ??

Dan Orlovsky

 

@danorlovsky7

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3h

 

Couple things -the

@Buccaneers

played single coverage on Hill 0 times -Mahomes ran for 498 yards last night before letting go of all his passes -Bolles was Belichick -Brady clean still throws it as good as anyone. 70% of offense last night was play action for TB.

 

The most amazing stat yesterday from

@ESPNStatsInfo

Mahomes covered 497 yards scrambling before throwing or being sacked

20 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

It's funny how everyone can understand how football is a team sport but everyone has to point at who is to blame as if it is a single person or thing.  

Ultimate team sport... but the QB gets the blame, which is why they get the paycheck.  Could you imagine having to listen to this stuff while making league minimum?   Nope... I'd likely get a 9-5 job where I wouldn't have to deal with it in public either.    But... when you are the focus, you can get away from it a bit with the Mc-Mansion, and not have to constantly hear it when you are out buying your own groceries.  You have them delivered to your home and hide in the basement while they are placed on the kitchen table.   

 

 

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

The argument was always Earl Thomas vs BG but I think the bigger argument could be made that they took the wrong DE in that draft.  All fireworks jokes aside, JPP as put together quite a solid career, as has BG.  Of course, BG has one of the biggest plays in Eagles history but career wise JPP blows him out of the water.

BG- 159 games, 414 tackles, 59 sacks and 19 forced fumbles, 7 fumbles recovered  

JPP-153 games, 573 tackes, 88.5 sacks, 20 forced fumbles, 10 fumbles recovered and 4 INTs.

 

JPP had the higher ceiling and lower floor.

Graham was misused (3-4 LB) and had some injury issues his first few years here, he only started 13 games his first five seasons, but he's been even with JPP the last six years.

Graham:  282 tackles, 45 sacks, 90 QB hits

JPP:  287 tackles, 47 sacks, 86 QB hits

39 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

🤦‍♂️    See the signature.    Everyone can have a piece of the blame.   The QB is to blame for HIS bad throws.  The OL is to blame for their missed assignments.  The WRs are to blame for sucking.   The coaches are to blame for not correcting the previous list.   The GM is to blame for assembling this turd show.   

 

It's really not that complicated.  Why does everything have to be blamed on one person?   But the sad part is that each of these factors played into the struggles by the other groups.   It's a tangled web, it's not a linear breakdown, that's what makes it dysfunctional and needed to be completely rebuilt.   Sadly, the architect will get to poorly build again.    The next WR Howie drafts that's a competent NFL player here will be the first.   And he's been in that position long enough that the law of averages should have worked in his favor by now.   Same goes for CB.

He's been told this 900 billion times. Not sure who these anonymous blog posters are that think Wentz isn't to blame as well.

3 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

A few. There were some comments that were unfiltered.

It largely is.  They could have put the old story there with some addendums,  but it does highlight how dysfunctional the Eagles are tho.

Jaws - didn’t recognize the 2020 Wentz and thought DP got the short end of the stick

Press Taylor is now Riech’s OC ???

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Nope.  And is my biggest issue.  That he’s not that accurate.  But hey.  He’s not a Religious Hunter from Middle America so he has to be better.  

Religious hunter, no thanks.

 

Coffee bean, yes please. 

Just now, austinfan said:

JPP had the higher ceiling and lower floor.

Graham was misused (3-4 LB) and had some injury issues his first few years here, he only started 13 games his first five seasons, but he's been even with JPP the last six years.

Graham:  282 tackles, 45 sacks, 90 QB hits

JPP:  287 tackles, 47 sacks, 86 QB hits

JPP has played 6 less games and has 29 more sacks and 160 more tackles....it's not even close.

21 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The all important anonymous third team! 

Cowboys 

19 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

The argument was always Earl Thomas vs BG but I think the bigger argument could be made that they took the wrong DE in that draft.  All fireworks jokes aside, JPP as put together quite a solid career, as has BG.  Of course, BG has one of the biggest plays in Eagles history but career wise JPP blows him out of the water.

BG- 159 games, 414 tackles, 59 sacks and 19 forced fumbles, 7 fumbles recovered  

JPP-153 games, 573 tackes, 88.5 sacks, 20 forced fumbles, 10 fumbles recovered and 4 INTs.

 

I liked BG more before the draft than JPP.  Still do.  JPP was never really much of a run support guy and never could do what BG did, which was highlighted in the Super Bowl.  JPP could never move inside and rush the passer or hold up against the run.  BG could.   This is a debate that can be had, but given the outcomes... I'll stick with BG over ET and JPP, just like I felt at the time.

 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

JPP has played 6 less games and has 29 more sacks and 160 more tackles....it's not even close.

You must have really poor reading comprehension. 

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I meant them as the team that’s trading away Wentz.  That’s how I read it.  Somewhat sarcastic tho 

in the story said there was a undisclosed third team in the mix but the colts and bears were the favorites. 

18 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Saying Garcia outplayed McNabb is a serious stretch.  Even for you.  Their QB rating was virtually the same.  The offense was different when Garcia was in and is one of the reasons I soured on Reid as HC in Philly.  In short...they ran the ball more when Garcia was in.  It was a more balanced attack and the passing was more pure WCO routes then when McNabb was in there.    The following year, when McNabb came back, Reid went right back to his old ways.  McNabb avg. 100 more yards passing per game in 2006 than Garcia.  McNabb had a slightly higher TD% and Int % than Garcia.  But INT was never an issue for McNabb.  Garcia comp% was 61% while McNabb's was 57%.  But the yards per attempt difference can point to that.  McNabb was having a pretty good season in 2006 before he got hurt.  

 

So NO.  Garcia did not "outplay" McNabb that same year.  Did they have the same talent?  Absolutely, but the game plan was different.  Just doing some quick numbers, including the 1-1 postseason record.  The pass/run ratios are below based on games when each QB played.

McNabb pass 59% run 41%

Garcia pass 52% run 48% 

 

 

Try again!

 

100% Andy changed the offense and ran more, just like Doug when Hurts came in this year.

19 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Howie doesn't assess talent, his scouts do. Howie works off the draft board.

I think what they mean with Wilson was they thought he was a steal in the 3rd rd, not that they thought at the time he'd be a NFL starting QB.

Had they traded up to take Wilson, you would have heard the exact same criticisms you've heard about the Hurts pick.

Except for when he doesn't... and just reaches for someone not as highly rated. 

 

Excuses or not, who gives a F.  This isnt about EMB credibility, all I know is that the Eagles will regret it if they trade Wentz.

Not only would it make it crystal clear that Howie 100% failed and is openly admitting it, but keeping Wentz gives you a head start on the rebuild. 

Howie hasnt earned another opportunity at a rebuild.  And if Wentz is gone, he has no leg to stand on at all. He will have roundly failed in all aspects

18 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah I’m really tired of hearing the Eagles talk about they really wanted Russell Wilson but then they had to second round picks and decided not to take him. You didn’t love him that much if you allowed him to pass you by twice in the second round and in the first round if you thought he was a franchise QB. You didn’t draft him I don’t give a crap if you loved him. It means nothing 

Well they made up for it by drafting Jalen "I aint even close to Russell Wilson" Hurts way too high