January 6, 20214 yr 20 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said: Folks... declaring for the draft does not negate that he could still pull a power play on the Jags. I don't think that he will... but he could. Trevor Lawrence was born in TN, played HS football in GA, and played college football in SC. He's a southerner through and through. I think he'd feel right at home with Jacksonville. And might actually be uncomfortable in NY. Without playing another down, he will be paid enough money upfront to be set for life (with just a little bit of common sense on money management) and wouldn't need to earn a dime beyond that first contract. He will do what he thinks is best for him, but very very very few NFL players have ever made a power play on draft day. I don't expect him to make waves. He still could, but that would be shocking to me. I don’t think that’s out of the question. But that’s not what the point people were trying to make months ago. People were trying to make he wasn’t going to come out because he was going to go to a team like the Jets or possibly the jags. I don’t think that was ever the case. He was always going to come out because the money is too much and he was almost a lock to be the number one pick. So didn’t make any sense for him to go back to college and risk injury over getting to be the number one pick and making a bunch of money and getting a bunch of endorsements. He was never going back to Clemson after this year I think there’s less pressure to play in Jacksonville with the media that they have down there and expectations for that franchise compared to a place like Philadelphia. So that might actually work in his benefit. If I were him and his agent I would pull power play because I wouldn’t wanna be in Jacksonville with that ownership. I understand the Jets are bad ownership but I think Khan is worse than the Jets. Like every good player the jags have winds up wanting to leave after 2-3 years and bad mouths their ownership and the franchise. Also at least Woody Johnson isn’t getting involved in the day-to-day operations like khan has said he’s going to do. I don’t know how bad or good joe douglas is but i rather put my faith in him than the jags. But then again neither is a good place to be putting your career in their hands.
January 6, 20214 yr Actually, I thought Howie was unusually honest. He was ready to rebuild when COVID came along, now it's a mess, but an opportunity as well, with the rest of the division in shambles, the Eagles could limp into a 9-7, 10-6 season and take advantage of teams struggling with new HCs, etc. It's hard to start a rebuild when you have a legitimate shot at the playoffs and a home bye. Remember also that no one (other than the POTUS) knew how serious COVID was going to be until April. Then Brooks goes down after the draft. Then Dillard goes down so he brings back Peters (b/c he knows the system, remember, no mini-camps, etc. to acclimate a new lineman), Mailata is a total unknown, Driscoll is a rookie. Then Seumalo goes down. What on paper looked liked a team with a real edge, suddenly looks vulnerable. Ertz gets hurt, Perkins gets hurt, Desean lasts one game, so instead of gradually working in rookie WRs they're thrown to the wolves. Wentz regresses as Pederson has him running RPO plays (watching Wentz trying to run infuriated me, it was obvious while he still has the athleticism to buy time in the pocket, he's no threat to run and doesn't have Foles' feel for the pass option in the RPO), and the OL craters around him and his WRs can't run the right route. The "COVID edge" turns out to be illusionary. It was a mistake, but not total stupidity, rather, a miscalculation in a weird year. And Howie managed to bring in more young talent the last two seasons that people credit him for: Hurts, Sanders, Reagor, Fulgham, Watkins, Hightower, JJAW, Herbig, Driscoll, Dillard, Hargrave, WIlliams, Singleton, Edwards, Bradley, Taylor, Wallace, Epps. This offseason I expect another 10-15 players to move into the 53 man roster as veterans are phased out. Experience shows that teams make the biggest jumps not from free agents from the maturation of 2nd and 3rd year players (see Mailata, Sweat for examples) - so building up that young depth is how you position yourself for a quick turnaround. Bad teams get basically one top pick over good teams (i.e. top ten pick, while their 2nd pick in the 30s isn't that different from picking in the 20s), usually not enough to be a difference maker (some flop, some are solid starters but not special) Stars are nice, but top NFL teams have depth, something injuries have sapped from this team the last couple years. Look at how Reid turned this team around, a couple high picks, a couple FAs (basically Runyan), but mostly finding talent in later rounds and off the street: 1999: #2 McNabb, #97 Welbourn 2000: #6 Simon, #36 Pinkston, #61 Williams 2001: #63 Burgess, #121 Buckhalter (#25 Mitchell and #55 Caver were meh) 2002: #26 Sheppard, #58 Lewis, #59 Brown, #91 Westbrook [#238 Brock who was waived] 2003: #61 L Smith (could have had Witten!), #185 Bridges (#15 McDougle whifff) 2004: #15 S Andrews (rest of draft was a miss, though Reed #129 had promise before a freak injury) 2002 team, Feeley backup QB (4-1), Levens, Martin, Thrash, Pinkston, Freeman, C Lewis, Thomason, Tra, Fraley (UDFA), Mayberry, Runyan (big FA), Defense: Whiting (4th), Simon, Walker (SFA), Douglas (trade), Barber, Kirkland, Emmons (big FA), Vincent, Taylor, Bishop (FA), Dawkins top reserves, Brzezinksi, M Lewis (2nd), Grasmanis (FA), Reese (5th), Al Harris (SFA) It helped that they didn't have a lot of injuries, but Reid turned it around in two years, much by raising the game of players on the roster like Dawkins, or moving Mayberry from LT to RG.
January 6, 20214 yr 13 minutes ago, greend said: Hey guys I choose to believe that Bacardy is a trained chimp and since there in no video evidence otherwise.............................. What do you call someone who argues with him for pages....
January 6, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, austinfan said: Actually, I thought Howie was unusually honest. He was ready to rebuild when COVID came along, now it's a mess, but an opportunity as well, with the rest of the division in shambles, the Eagles could limp into a 9-7, 10-6 season and take advantage of teams struggling with new HCs, etc. It's hard to start a rebuild when you have a legitimate shot at the playoffs and a home bye. Remember also that no one (other than the POTUS) knew how serious COVID was going to be until April. Then Brooks goes down after the draft. Then Dillard goes down so he brings back Peters (b/c he knows the system, remember, no mini-camps, etc. to acclimate a new lineman), Mailata is a total unknown, Driscoll is a rookie. Then Seumalo goes down. What on paper looked liked a team with a real edge, suddenly looks vulnerable. Ertz gets hurt, Perkins gets hurt, Desean lasts one game, so instead of gradually working in rookie WRs they're thrown to the wolves. Wentz regresses as Pederson has him running RPO plays (watching Wentz trying to run infuriated me, it was obvious while he still has the athleticism to buy time in the pocket, he's no threat to run and doesn't have Foles' feel for the pass option in the RPO), and the OL craters around him and his WRs can't run the right route. The "COVID edge" turns out to be illusionary. It was a mistake, but not total stupidity, rather, a miscalculation in a weird year. And Howie managed to bring in more young talent the last two seasons that people credit him for: Hurts, Sanders, Reagor, Fulgham, Watkins, Hightower, JJAW, Herbig, Driscoll, Dillard, Hargrave, WIlliams, Singleton, Edwards, Bradley, Taylor, Wallace, Epps. This offseason I expect another 10-15 players to move into the 53 man roster as veterans are phased out. Experience shows that teams make the biggest jumps not from free agents from the maturation of 2nd and 3rd year players (see Mailata, Sweat for examples) - so building up that young depth is how you position yourself for a quick turnaround. Bad teams get basically one top pick over good teams (i.e. top ten pick, while their 2nd pick in the 30s isn't that different from picking in the 20s), usually not enough to be a difference maker (some flop, some are solid starters but not special) Stars are nice, but top NFL teams have depth, something injuries have sapped from this team the last couple years. Look at how Reid turned this team around, a couple high picks, a couple FAs (basically Runyan), but mostly finding talent in later rounds and off the street: 1999: #2 McNabb, #97 Welbourn 2000: #6 Simon, #36 Pinkston, #61 Williams 2001: #63 Burgess, #121 Buckhalter (#25 Mitchell and #55 Caver were meh) 2002: #26 Sheppard, #58 Lewis, #59 Brown, #91 Westbrook [#238 Brock who was waived] 2003: #61 L Smith (could have had Witten!), #185 Bridges (#15 McDougle whifff) 2004: #15 S Andrews (rest of draft was a miss, though Reed #129 had promise before a freak injury) 2002 team, Feeley backup QB (4-1), Levens, Martin, Thrash, Pinkston, Freeman, C Lewis, Thomason, Tra, Fraley (UDFA), Mayberry, Runyan (big FA), Defense: Whiting (4th), Simon, Walker (SFA), Douglas (trade), Barber, Kirkland, Emmons (big FA), Vincent, Taylor, Bishop (FA), Dawkins top reserves, Brzezinksi, M Lewis (2nd), Grasmanis (FA), Reese (5th), Al Harris (SFA) It helped that they didn't have a lot of injuries, but Reid turned it around in two years, much by raising the game of players on the roster like Dawkins, or moving Mayberry from LT to RG. Lol thanks Dave i needed a good laugh. I suggest listening to BWF podcast they had quotes from his end of the year from 2019 season. It was nearly the same presser.
January 6, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Bacarty2 said: I been wrong and I've admitted im wrong. Im a firm believer of smoke theres fire. Too many of the same story from too many different sources. When the Starting QB had no idea he was going go get pulled you can tell it wasnt planned. And if you played any type of sport and your not mad when the coach does something dumb to cost you the game your not human. But sure man. the 20-25 guys who wont be on the roster year were just fine with losing the game on purpose. Hurts, who was shocked and a competitor was ok with losing the game. No one got mad, no one got frustrated. just another day in the office. It was literally said that Suds was gonna play at some point, more than likely have the entire 2nd half actually.
January 6, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: I don’t think that’s out of the question. But that’s not what the point people were trying to make months ago. People were trying to make he wasn’t going to come out because he was going to go to a team like the Jets or possibly the jags. I don’t think that was ever the case. He was always going to come out because the money is too much and he was almost a lock to be the number one pick. So didn’t make any sense for him to go back to college and risk injury over getting to be the number one pick and making a bunch of money and getting a bunch of endorsements. He was never going back to Clemson after this year I think there’s less pressure to play in Jacksonville with the media that they have down there and expectations for that franchise compared to a place like Philadelphia. So that might actually work in his benefit. If I were him and his agent I would pull power play because I wouldn’t wanna be in Jacksonville with that ownership. I understand the Jets are bad ownership but I think Khan is worse than the Jets. Like every good player the jags have winds up wanting to leave after 2-3 years and bad mouths their ownership and the franchise. Also at least Woody Johnson isn’t getting involved in the day-to-day operations like khan has said he’s going to do. I don’t know how bad or good joe douglas is but i rather put my faith in him than the jags. But then again neither is a good place to be putting your career in their hands. I don't care. Those people are foolish.
January 6, 20214 yr Your score is: 40915 (GRADE: A)Your Picks: Round 1 Pick 6: DeVonta Smith, WR, Alabama (A-) Round 2 Pick 6: Hamsah Nasirildeen, FS/SS, Florida State (A-) Round 3 Pick 6: Eric Stokes, CB, Georgia (A) Round 5 Pick 6: Ben Brown, OG, Mississippi (A+) Round 5 Pick 10: Drake Jackson, C, Kentucky (A+) Round 6 Pick 6: Brenton Cox, DE/OLB, Florida (A+) Round 7 Pick 6: Ben Petrula, OT, Boston College (A+)
January 6, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, austinfan said: Actually, I thought Howie was unusually honest. He was ready to rebuild when COVID came along, now it's a mess, but an opportunity as well, with the rest of the division in shambles, the Eagles could limp into a 9-7, 10-6 season and take advantage of teams struggling with new HCs, etc. It's hard to start a rebuild when you have a legitimate shot at the playoffs and a home bye. Remember also that no one (other than the POTUS) knew how serious COVID was going to be until April. Then Brooks goes down after the draft. Then Dillard goes down so he brings back Peters (b/c he knows the system, remember, no mini-camps, etc. to acclimate a new lineman), Mailata is a total unknown, Driscoll is a rookie. Then Seumalo goes down. What on paper looked liked a team with a real edge, suddenly looks vulnerable. Ertz gets hurt, Perkins gets hurt, Desean lasts one game, so instead of gradually working in rookie WRs they're thrown to the wolves. Wentz regresses as Pederson has him running RPO plays (watching Wentz trying to run infuriated me, it was obvious while he still has the athleticism to buy time in the pocket, he's no threat to run and doesn't have Foles' feel for the pass option in the RPO), and the OL craters around him and his WRs can't run the right route. The "COVID edge" turns out to be illusionary. It was a mistake, but not total stupidity, rather, a miscalculation in a weird year. And Howie managed to bring in more young talent the last two seasons that people credit him for: Hurts, Sanders, Reagor, Fulgham, Watkins, Hightower, JJAW, Herbig, Driscoll, Dillard, Hargrave, WIlliams, Singleton, Edwards, Bradley, Taylor, Wallace, Epps. This offseason I expect another 10-15 players to move into the 53 man roster as veterans are phased out. Experience shows that teams make the biggest jumps not from free agents from the maturation of 2nd and 3rd year players (see Mailata, Sweat for examples) - so building up that young depth is how you position yourself for a quick turnaround. Bad teams get basically one top pick over good teams (i.e. top ten pick, while their 2nd pick in the 30s isn't that different from picking in the 20s), usually not enough to be a difference maker (some flop, some are solid starters but not special) Stars are nice, but top NFL teams have depth, something injuries have sapped from this team the last couple years. Look at how Reid turned this team around, a couple high picks, a couple FAs (basically Runyan), but mostly finding talent in later rounds and off the street: 1999: #2 McNabb, #97 Welbourn 2000: #6 Simon, #36 Pinkston, #61 Williams 2001: #63 Burgess, #121 Buckhalter (#25 Mitchell and #55 Caver were meh) 2002: #26 Sheppard, #58 Lewis, #59 Brown, #91 Westbrook [#238 Brock who was waived] 2003: #61 L Smith (could have had Witten!), #185 Bridges (#15 McDougle whifff) 2004: #15 S Andrews (rest of draft was a miss, though Reed #129 had promise before a freak injury) 2002 team, Feeley backup QB (4-1), Levens, Martin, Thrash, Pinkston, Freeman, C Lewis, Thomason, Tra, Fraley (UDFA), Mayberry, Runyan (big FA), Defense: Whiting (4th), Simon, Walker (SFA), Douglas (trade), Barber, Kirkland, Emmons (big FA), Vincent, Taylor, Bishop (FA), Dawkins top reserves, Brzezinksi, M Lewis (2nd), Grasmanis (FA), Reese (5th), Al Harris (SFA) It helped that they didn't have a lot of injuries, but Reid turned it around in two years, much by raising the game of players on the roster like Dawkins, or moving Mayberry from LT to RG. Hurts (Backup) Sanders (oft injured, regressed as a pass catcher) Reagor (not that encouraging so far) Fulgham (JAG) Watkins (potential, but a long way to go) Hightower (JAG potential) JJAW (Bust) Herbig (potential, good backup) Driscoll (potential, good backup) Dillard (Bust potential) Hargrave (expensive luxury item) WIlliams (JAG) Singleton (JAG) Edwards (JAG) Bradley (JAG potential) Taylor (Bust) Wallace (Bust potential) Epps (JAG).
January 6, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Wentz_Era said: It was literally said that Suds was gonna play at some point, more than likely have the entire 2nd half actually. I feel like there was a report before the game in the morning saying that Sudfeld was very likely to get playing time and prepare like he was going to play. I don’t know how much more evidence you need that the Eagles were planning on playing sudfeld at some point. They didn’t make the generalized statement he’s playing but it was obvious they were going to do so leaking the report they did
January 6, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, toughfighter83 said: Your score is: 40915 (GRADE: A)Your Picks: Round 1 Pick 6: DeVonta Smith, WR, Alabama (A-) Round 2 Pick 6: Hamsah Nasirildeen, FS/SS, Florida State (A-) Round 3 Pick 6: Eric Stokes, CB, Georgia (A) Round 5 Pick 6: Ben Brown, OG, Mississippi (A+) Round 5 Pick 10: Drake Jackson, C, Kentucky (A+) Round 6 Pick 6: Brenton Cox, DE/OLB, Florida (A+) Round 7 Pick 6: Ben Petrula, OT, Boston College (A+) If only this actually happens.
January 6, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, Desertbirds said: Hurts (Backup) Sanders (oft injured, regressed as a pass catcher) Reagor (not that encouraging so far) Fulgham (JAG) Watkins (potential, but a long way to go) Hightower (JAG potential) JJAW (Bust) Herbig (potential, good backup) Driscoll (potential, good backup) Dillard (Bust potential) Hargrave (expensive luxury item) WIlliams (JAG) Singleton (JAG) Edwards (JAG) Bradley (JAG potential) Taylor (Bust) Wallace (Bust potential) Epps (JAG). I don’t think singleton is a jag. He might not be great but he’s at least an average starter. He proved that. Imo a jag is a ST/backup that’s likely out of the league in a year also not sure how wallace is a bust. He was a fourth round pick. If you get a backup in rounds 4-7 that lasts more than 3 years thats actually beating the odds by nfl standards. i get what you are saying though. Just disagreed on those two.
January 6, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: Has anyone in the Blog received the vaccine yet? If so, I am sure it was just the first initial shot since the second is supposed to be a few weeks later. Are the symptoms from the first shot or the second shot? Anyway, I am looking forward to getting mine. Got vax'd about 3 weeks ago. I actually felt very lethargic and flu-like for 3-4 days. Wasn't terrible, but it's worth noting so that you don't get alarmed. My 2nd shot is tomorrow.
January 6, 20214 yr Just now, IINorthStar said: If only this actually happens. yeah hopefully it's not howie picking. it's all about the strength of the draft.
January 6, 20214 yr 52 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said: Yep. I think Carson knows how dumb Doug is. It seems that Doug really wants to run an RPO offense, which Carson is not best suited for. He was good at it when he had more mobility, but as injuries and age go on, he'll be less and less effective in an RPO. So unless the offensive strategy completely changes to complement what Wentz does well, why the hell would he want to come back here. The RPO has pretty much been gone since the SB.
January 6, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, Desertbirds said: Hurts (Backup) Sanders (oft injured, regressed as a pass catcher) Reagor (not that encouraging so far) Fulgham (JAG) Watkins (potential, but a long way to go) Hightower (JAG potential) JJAW (Bust) Herbig (potential, good backup) Driscoll (potential, good backup) Dillard (Bust potential) Hargrave (expensive luxury item) WIlliams (JAG) Singleton (JAG) Edwards (JAG) Bradley (JAG potential) Taylor (Bust) Wallace (Bust potential) Epps (JAG). What’s the likelihood pretty much every single one of those guys is a bust or can we start to see it’s way more likely a result of inept coaching. How many agholars do we need before we see that.
January 6, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: I don’t think singleton is a jag. He might not be great but he’s at least an average starter. He proved that. Imo a jag is a ST/backup. also not sure how wallace is a bust. He was a fourth round pick. If you get a backup in rounds 4-7 that lasts more than 3 years thats actually beating the odds by nfl standards. i get what you are saying though. Just disagreed on those two. Wallace was deemed a "Bust potential" based on what I have seen (or not seen) from him this year. I'm not declaring him a bust de facto like I did for Arcega-Whiteside, I just think he has potential to be a bust.
January 6, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, Desertbirds said: Hurts (Backup) Sanders (oft injured, regressed as a pass catcher) Reagor (not that encouraging so far) Fulgham (JAG) Watkins (potential, but a long way to go) Hightower (JAG potential) JJAW (Bust) Herbig (potential, good backup) Driscoll (potential, good backup) Dillard (Bust potential) Hargrave (expensive luxury item) WIlliams (JAG) Singleton (JAG) Edwards (JAG) Bradley (JAG potential) Taylor (Bust) Wallace (Bust potential) Epps (JAG). You get one top pick if you're a bad team, how do you think teams amass talent? By coaching up "JAGs" into real players. Cleveland had numerous high picks and it took them a decade to develop a winning team, but I'm sure you'd have rated all those picks as "can't miss" because they were names. Fraley was a JAG, Mayberry was a Bust, Walker was a JAG, Al Harris was a JAG, and so on. Eagles will get 6 top 100 picks the next two drafts, even a top drafter will miss on one or two. So to turn this team around, they have to turn some "JAGs" into "players."
January 6, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Desertbirds said: Wallace was deemed a "Bust potential" based on what I have seen (or not seen) from him this year. I'm not declaring him a bust de facto like I did for Arcega-Whiteside, I just think he has potential to be a bust. But what qualifies him to be a bust if he’s a fourth round pick and he becomes a back up for four years? By NFL standards if you stay in the league for four years as a fourth round pick even as a back up you’re beating the odds. I just look at 4th to 7th round picks as guys you are building the depth on your team with. If he’s a back up for the next four years and that’s basically what you should be expecting from your 4th to 7th round picks. Don’t get me wrong you want to find starters there but the expectation for me isn’t guaranteed starter from those rounds. and don’t get me wrong I had high expectations for Wallace. I love that pick especially in the fourth.
January 6, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, austinfan said: You get one top pick if you're a bad team, how do you think teams amass talent? By coaching up "JAGs" into real players. Cleveland had numerous high picks and it took them a decade to develop a winning team, but I'm sure you'd have rated all those picks as "can't miss" because they were names. Fraley was a JAG, Mayberry was a Bust, Walker was a JAG, Al Harris was a JAG, and so on. Eagles will get 6 top 100 picks the next two drafts, even a top drafter will miss on one or two. So to turn this team around, they have to turn some "JAGs" into "players." Mailata has potential to fit your scenario. Other than that? I actually think Jacquet has potential.
January 6, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, metal said: Apologies if this has already been posted. Jason Kelce rebukes the report that there were any confrontations on the sidelines between the offensive line and the coach. I think this is he part what Sanders was talking about 1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said: Hurts isn't the answer. Wentz isn't the answer. They are symptoms of the deeper problems with this team. And it all starts with Lurie... he's allowed Howie to become too powerful (remember how that failed miserably with Banner... then with Reid... and now, its Howie's turn)... and Howie has created a ridiculous structure with 18 different voices all with 'say', but without power. He has all the power. Doug wants his coaches to stay, they are dumped the next day. Forcing him to bring in a slew of new and retread (Marty??? ) coaches to collaborate together. The results speak for themselves. And I think that Doug is unsalvageable here. Because any GM you bring in to run things will want his guy at HC, not the leftover guy, Lombardi trophy or not. Doug might leave here, find some good coaches around him that he trusts and get his career back to where it was. Or, he might just go back to working with Reid... like so many others have, and just stay there. But, this team's future with Howie and Doug remaining makes me physically sick to think about. Why are they both still employed? There's going to be a rebound offensively next year, due to the return of Brooks and Johnson for how ever long that lasts... and then... the inevitable will come and it won't be pretty. So you've given up? 1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said: This is a weird hill Schefter wants to die on Well at least he's now putting it out there that it's his opinion this time. Though I doubt people will understand that
January 6, 20214 yr The drafting has sucked. End of story. The coaching/development has also sucked. It's not one or the other. On TOP of that, the bridge connecting the personnel decisions with the development just might be the biggest problem of all. Investments in players that do not fit the scheme, players the coaches never even bother to dress or use, etc. etc.
January 6, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: But what qualifies him to be a bust if he’s a fourth round pick and he becomes a back up for four years? By NFL standards if you stay in the league for four years as a fourth round pick even as a back up you’re beating the odds. I just look at 4th to 7th round picks as guys you are building the depth on your team with. If he’s a back up for the next four years and that’s basically what you should be expecting from your 4th to 7th round picks. Don’t get me wrong you want to find starters there but the expectation for me isn’t guaranteed starter from those rounds. We have no idea if he will be in the league for he next four years. In a decimated secondary, that relied heavily on practice squad players, he hardly saw the field.
January 6, 20214 yr Of course Wentz wants to be traded. He's in a horrible, career-ruining situation. There can be no doubt that he hates every minute of being part of this team, franchise, and city...and wants out. And that's ok/expected. What's noteworthy is if he and his agent take steps to either stay quiet, whisper, speak, or demand it.
January 6, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Desertbirds said: We have no idea if he will be in the league for he next four years. In a decimated secondary, that relied heavily on practice squad players, he hardly saw the field. It'll be interesting to see our secondary without Schwartz involved. Of course if they just promote Burke I'd expect more of the same. But every single CB that came in regressed. It's astounding really.