lol that was fast

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yes. I forgot Howie reached out to Ertz to figure out how to fix his bromance with Wentz.

 

Also no wonder Wentz has been silent about this, he probably has no idea what the hell is even going on.

 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

lol that was fast

 

It is always some sources when they get called on crap....

12 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Could you imagine if Howie somehow blows this and demands too much, other teams get QBs elsewhere and call his bluff and the Eagles are stuck with this mess?

Because there's a month until free agency, with no QBs actually as FAs, there's enough time. All the QBs that teams want are in the draft.

BLG reporting he's heard from multiple people JDF is not thrilled about potentially reuniting with Wentz.

3 minutes ago, phil77 said:

 

It is always some sources when they get called on crap....

I’d respond to him with this 

11 minutes ago, downundermike said:

After reading today’s reports, Carson is telling Howie to pound sand.  The only cap space the Eagles can recover is Carson paying back signing bonus money.  Based on there reports, Howie isn’t getting anything from Carson.

But that just isn’t accurate.  Carson’s contract runs through 2024. This year, he has a $15 million salary and a $10 million roster bonus.  Howie could easily, and has done this before, offer to convert the roster bonus to a signing bonus.  That would give the Eagles $7.5 million in 2021 cap relief.  Spotrac also states this about his 2021 salary:

2021 base salary is $3.9M, with an $11.5M not likely to be earned escalator built in

My recollection is that only likely to be earned bonuses count against the cap.  So the Eagles could get a lot of cap space with just the roster bonus move.  My suspicion is the agent is asking something in return and Howie is probably arguing cap poverty, like he did with Ertz.  I imagine Howie may be using the trade offers and  Wentz’s performance last season in the negotiations so, of course, Howie isn’t the most popular guy with Wentz right now. Hell, he might even be saying, I fired Doug for him.  Who knows?   I would love for some reporter to actually look at the cap and the actual contracts instead of just mentioning those casually like they don’t matter.

14 minutes ago, Han Solo said:

Wentz probably wanted Metcalf and Howie picked JJAW instead.  Howie probably told Wentz that he has to throw to JJAW (to prove that Howie made a good pick).  I'm sure there's an anonymous source out there to verify that.

I can verify this. Print it!

20 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It's very simple. Follow along.

Doug wanted to pick Hurts in the draft, he was a Doug pick. Lowie didn't want to miss out on Wilson 2.0 he was a Lowie pick. Doug wanted to bench Wentz and start Hurts the rest of the season. Howie wanted to play Wentz. Doug wanted to play Hurts in 2021. Doug and Wentz relationship is fractured and irreconcilable so Doug is fired so Wentz will come back and play. Howie wanted to keep Wentz so he asked every interviewee what their plan was to fix Wentz and get him back on track. Howie hired Reich Jr. because he would allow Wentz to come back and be fixed. Howie wanted Hurts to play in 2021. Doug wanted Wentz. Wentz is now mad at Howie and their relationship is fractured and irreconcilable. Reich 1.0 was not interested in trading for Wentz. Indianapolis is a favorite landing spot for Wentz. Tons of teams are calling for Wentz. No one is calling seriously for Wentz. A trade is likely to happen any minute. A trade is not imminent. 

 

19 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Could you imagine if Howie somehow blows this and demands too much, other teams get QBs elsewhere and call his bluff and the Eagles are stuck with this mess?

Resulting in the firing of Howie and we keep Carson? 

Say less

wentz is a mentally weak QB , this all started to unfold when he got hurt against the rams , foles comes in and has a magical run to the superbowl win and teammates praise him and love him. now comes the off season and media and the talking football heads are on TV 24/7 saying eagles have to make foles the #1 QB , the team makes a commitment to carson and sends foles away. carson starts to feel he can't live up to the ledgend BDN and starts to show cracks. 2020 starts and he completely craps the bed and wonders why he gets bench cause he's a entitled 1st rounder that does not believe he needs competition. backup comes in and teammates praise and show support and media swoons over him , hence we now have this crap show that he feels betrayed and wants out cause he has never had to fight for his job and can't fathom it. i want a QB that wants to fight for his job and be here and wants to out work anybody behind him on the roster no matter how he feels about his boss.

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

Afan:

 

Howie probably reads this stuff with Lurie over drinks and they both laugh their heads off.

It's obvious none of the media guys have a clue, everything is speculation or anonymous sources of dubious validity.

Doug certainly looked upset after the draft when they took Hurts, didn't he? I remember those reports how he wanted Dillon b/c he was going to run the ball 30 times a game.

Keeping Jeffrey (Wentz's main target), bringing in DeSean, drafting Reagor and Goedert and Sanders, obviously there was no effort to provide Wentz with targets, drafting Dillard in the 1st rd, and Driscoll, no attempt to shore up his OL (just because some moves didn't work doesn't change the fact that moves were made to help).

Let' see, a player is upset at a GM b/c the GM won't give him the contract he wanted?  Never happens to other teams.

Howie is taking calls and listening to offers, now why would a GM do that? Especially when he's starting a rebuilding process.

 

Nor does anyone have a clue if Hurts can be a starting NFL QB (a lot of rookie QBs never get into games, and when they do, anyone remember McNabb's first season?).

Nor does anyone know if Wentz can be rehabilitated.

 

Right now, everything is guesswork. Patience, grasshoppers.

 

27 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Will look for more info when I am back on a PC, but Tyrone Johnson said on 975 earlier that Howie was pissed about the players only meeting this season, waited outside the locker room door and had a heated exchange with several veteran players when the meeting broke.

Add in his heated argument with Ertz and you have to ask who in the Hell does Howie think he is and what in the Hell does he think he's doing?  Sounds to me like he's drunk with power and that's Lurie's fault for giving him too much power.  Seriously?  He threw a temper tantrum because the players held a meeting without him?  How many times across all sports do you hear about a team having a players only meeting?  It probably happens to a few teams at least in every league on a yearly basis.  Well, any team with enough players that care anyway.  He needs to go and the sooner the better.

 

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Howie probably reads this stuff with Lurie over drinks and they both laugh their heads off.

It's obvious none of the media guys have a clue, everything is speculation or anonymous sources of dubious validity.

Doug certainly looked upset after the draft when they took Hurts, didn't he? I remember those reports how he wanted Dillon b/c he was going to run the ball 30 times a game.

Keeping Jeffrey (Wentz's main target), bringing in DeSean, drafting Reagor and Goedert and Sanders, obviously there was no effort to provide Wentz with targets, drafting Dillard in the 1st rd, and Driscoll, no attempt to shore up his OL (just because some moves didn't work doesn't change the fact that moves were made to help).

Let' see, a player is upset at a GM b/c the GM won't give him the contract he wanted?  Never happens to other teams.

Howie is taking calls and listening to offers, now why would a GM do that? Especially when he's starting a rebuilding process.

 

Nor does anyone have a clue if Hurts can be a starting NFL QB (a lot of rookie QBs never get into games, and when they do, anyone remember McNabb's first season?).

Nor does anyone know if Wentz can be rehabilitated.

 

Right now, everything is guesswork. Patience, grasshoppers.

 

Don’t forget your totem 

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Howie probably reads this stuff with Lurie over drinks and they both laugh their heads off.

It's obvious none of the media guys have a clue, everything is speculation or anonymous sources of dubious validity.

Same could be said about Lowie. 

Lurie: "We've got 5 future GMs working along side Howie, we've got the right people in position to make good decisions."   

Reporter: "Then why has the draft history been so bad?"

Lurie: "We had the right guys identified, but someone else drafted them first." 

 

Literally, you can't make this stuff up.   Lurie actually believes this garbage.

16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Same could be said about Lowie. 

Lurie: "We've got 5 future GMs working along side Howie, we've got the right people in position to make good decisions."   

Reporter: "Then why has the draft history been so bad?"

Lurie: "We had the right guys identified, but someone else drafted them first."

Literally, you can't make this stuff up.   Lurie actually believes this garbage.

He's right, how do you do a retrospective review of your scouts.

You look at their recommendations, then how the players performed in the NFL (taking into account unexpected injuries). How else do you judge your scouts? And you don't do this for just the players you draft, but for everyone they scout.

So if the scouts are on target, the issue becomes why did you take the players you took, and not others. That's not a scouting issue, that's a draft board/draft decision issue. And given that Lurie knows the answer, if he thinks Howie isn't at fault, odds are Howie isn't at fault - because Lurie can always kick Howie upstairs to keep him around and give someone else that authority.

Lurie has a billion dollar asset at stake, he may love Howie, but no one puts friendship over sustaining a billion dollar asset.

24 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

But that just isn’t accurate.  Carson’s contract runs through 2024. This year, he has a $15 million salary and a $10 million roster bonus.  Howie could easily, and has done this before, offer to convert the roster bonus to a signing bonus.  That would give the Eagles $7.5 million in 2021 cap relief.  Spotrac also states this about his 2021 salary:

 

False.  The dead cap hit of 33.8 if traded is the future signing bonus money pro rated over the life of the contract that accelerates to 2021 when traded.

Add up the numbers in the red box on the left, they add up to the dead cap hit on the right.  This has been covered by the OTC guys, NFL network talked about it.  The only way the cap hit for trading Carson gets lowered is if he pays back the signing bonus money.

8 minutes ago, austinfan said:

He's right, how do you do a retrospective review of your scouts.

You look at their recommendations, then how the players performed in the NFL (taking into account unexpected injuries). How else do you judge your scouts?

So if the scouts are on target, the issue becomes why did you take the players you took, and not others. That's not a scouting issue, that's a draft board/draft decision issue. And given that Lurie knows the answer, if he thinks Howie isn't at fault, odds are Howie isn't at fault - because Lurie can always kick Howie upstairs to keep him around and give someone else that authority.

Well, since there's more than a handful of good players in any draft, I'd judge them also on who they actually select from the group that's available when their pick came up. 

 

You can't sit here and say that they had good process in Round 1 of last year's draft when they were looking for a WR... they select Reagor, but Jefferson was sitting there... or Aiyuk... or Higgins... or Claypool.   The end of the day, process is nice but PRODUCTION matters.   You'd think at some point, they'd find a good WR in the draft, LB, CB... and yet, they haven't for a long time... pretty much the exact same time as Howie has been the GM.  🤔  coincidence?

 

Howie is never at fault in Lurie's eyes.  Howie is the GM.  It is the GM's job to make the right decision.  If he picks player A over player B, and player B is better than player A... it's Howie's fault, no matter how you want to try to spin it.  Or Lurie is the one making these picks and hiding behind Howie.  

26 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Fritz the Cat and Mr. Natural! Loved them! Also the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers. Tried a couple of Hardy Boys mysteries when I was a lad but didn't care for them.  The Hobbit.  Wind in the Willows. The Jungle Books. I did like the Marvel comics when Gene Colan or Jim Steranko was the artist.

My mother, who was great at reading to us, read us The Hobbit when I was about eight or nine.  Even though my sister and I read all the time, she read to us until we ere out of elementary school, always above our reading level.  She followed The Hobbit with the Lord of the Rings.  She also read us The Microbe Hunters, The Yearling and a whole host of other books.  Mom gave me The Jungles Books about he time she was reading us The Hobbit.   I also read those with my kids.  She turned me onto Tom Swift in second grade because she read his series as a kid.  

Mom also loved poetry and would recite poems to us all the time.  Is it any wonder I have enjoyed Amanda Gorman’s time in the spotlight so much.  As part of my speech minor, I took Reader’s Theatre in college, which taught how to read to an audience.   Recitation is an art.  Some of these kids probably don’t recall that Robert Frost was the Poet Laureate to deliver at Kennedy’s inauguration and would end his stump speech with a line from Frost.  

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Well, since there's more than a handful of good players in any draft, I'd judge them also on who they actually select from the group that's available when their pick came up.

You can't sit here and say that they had good process in Round 1 of last year's draft when they were looking for a WR... they select Reagor, but Jefferson was sitting there... or Aiyuk... or Higgins... or Claypool.   The end of the day, process is nice but PRODUCTION matters.   You'd think at some point, they'd find a good WR in the draft, LB, CB... and yet, they haven't for a long time... pretty much the exact same time as Howie has been the GM.  🤔  conincidence?

Howie is never at fault in Lurie's eyes.  Howie is the GM.  It is the GM's job to make the right decision.  If he picks player A over player B, and player B is better than player A... it's Howie's fault, no matter how you want to try to spin it.  Or Lurie is the one making these picks and hiding behind Howie.  

You've combined the two aspects of drafting which I separated, judging players and picking players.

What Lurie said was they've done a good job of judging players. What Lurie has refused to answer is why they choose certain players, b/c it probably means throwing certain people under the bus. If he thought these were Howie's decisions, overriding his coaches or personnel guys, why hasn't he hired someone else and kicked Howie upstairs (executive VP with a salary bump to hand in the box with Lurie)? He'd rather tank his billion dollar franchise than hurt Howie's feelings? Kinda doubt that.

Lol

 

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

You've combined the two aspects of drafting which I separated, judging players and picking players.

What Lurie said was they've done a good job of judging players. What Lurie has refused to answer is why they choose certain players, b/c it probably means throwing certain people under the bus. If he thought these were Howie's decisions, overriding his coaches or personnel guys, why hasn't he hired someone else and kicked Howie upstairs (executive VP with a salary bump to hand in the box with Lurie)? He'd rather tank his billion dollar franchise than hurt Howie's feelings? Kinda doubt that.

No... I put the reality of what the purpose of the draft to the forefront and not buried the lead.  

The goal is to find AND select talented players to put on your roster.  Howie sits atop the mountain and its his job to make the final call.  If he makes the right call, it's to his credit.  If he makes the wrong call, it's his fault.  Pointing the finger is not the right way to handle it. Howie makes the pick, Howie needs to own it.

But instead... Howie pulls a Flip Wilson...

Well, the latest devil just left town.  I can't wait to find out who the next one is.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No... I put the reality of what the purpose of the draft to the forefront and not buried the lead.  

The goal is to find AND select talented players to put on your roster.  Howie sits atop the mountain and its his job to make the final call.  If he makes the right call, it's to his credit.  If he makes the wrong call, it's his fault.  Pointing the finger is not the right way to handle it. Howie makes the pick, Howie needs to own it.

But instead... Howie pulls a Flip Wilson...

Well, the latest devil just left town.  I can't wait to find out who the next one is.

There a difference between trying to figure out how decisions are made and just being a whining fan.

I rely on "revealed preference," what people say is usually false, what they do is more informative.

I figure if Lurie has so much at stake, and trusts Howie with his billion dollar asset, the primary fault is probably elswhere.

Now there are times when people are irrational, like a former President insisting an election was stolen well past the point at which that strategy was optimized (raising $250+M from his followers), endangering his financial empire and his political influence - in that case revealed preference suggests he's crazy, because his actions went far past the point where they became counterproductive.

I don't think Lurie is irrational, he may have been overly optimistic the last couple years, but that's a matter of adjusting expectations.

We have plenty of reasons to think Lurie has become irrational