22 minutes ago, austinfan said:

What world do you live in, one where owners of companies don't call the shots?

There are only 32 jobs, and the owner chooses the "real football GM" in everyone of those jobs, and that GM better keep the owner in the loop.

I have a nickel plated .50 cal Desert Eagle that you can use to go speak to Steve Jobs to answer that question you have. Might get a little messy so bring your own plastic. 

 

30 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

It does. Shanahan's offense is extremely QB friendly too. It could help reset Wentz.

Yeah but how much will they give up for Wentz when they have Jimmy G? I doubt they are more desperate than a team like Chi.

3 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Great point if this were in the real business world.  Here's Lurie's board of directors:

It's not a publicly traded company. Lurie can do whatever he wants and we all get to enjoy the annual owners meeting at which they try and find mutually agreeable ground based on self-interest that continues to degrade the game. The fans luv scorin', let's give 'em more scorin'... oy

Washington was willing to give up their 1st rounder and another pick for Stafford. If Washington was the highest bidder would Howie be bold enough to trade him there? What about the Cowboys if they were ready to trade Dak rights to another team and trade for the cheaper Wentz?

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

What world do you live in where the owner of the company sticks his nose into a realm of the business that he's not qualified to understand?   You want the CEO of the hospital sticking his fingers into surgery, or prescribing drugs for people? 

There is being in the loop, and then there is meddling.   Big difference.  And I think that Lurie is far more Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones than you want to believe. 

 

But, I'm finished with having these conversations with you.  Lurie and Howie can do no wrong in your view.  Everything they do is perfect.  The gigantic hole this organization is in is the work of everyone around them and under them... they bear no responsibility for it.

So what makes a "football guy" qualified? How many football guys have closely observed four HCs and a half dozen GMs and dozens of scouts?

"Football guys" are responsible for Detroit, Jax, and numerous other franchises sucking for decades on end.

Though can you find one report of Lurie micro-managing? Yes, he stays in the loop, and wants to be informed, but has always acted as the COB.

2 minutes ago, Eagles_All_Day said:

Yeah but how much will they give up for Wentz when they have Jimmy G? I doubt they are more desperate than a team like Chi.

I don't disagree.

Albert Breer on Flip and how it relates to Chicago's interest in Wentz:

https://t.co/EYSZfKBZrK

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The Bears’ promotion of John DeFilippo to pass-game coordinator (he’ll retain his title as quarterbacks coach too) is interesting, given his connection to Carson Wentz. I’ve heard that DeFilippo believes he can "fix” Wentz, if he is willing to dive into overhauling his mechanics—something other teams would too if they were to acquire the former second-overall pick. And DeFilippo was Wentz’s position coach in Philly for two years (2016 and ‘17)

Just now, schuy7 said:

Albert Breer on Flip and how it relates to Chicago's interest in Wentz:

 

 

Imo he is going to Chi. I doubt Chi ups the offer. I think Howie is just trying to figure out what the combination of players and picks should be to make the trade look better than what it really is. He knows he will have to sell it to the fans and media. 

4 minutes ago, Eagles_All_Day said:

Imo he is going to Chi. I doubt Chi ups the offer. I think Howie is just trying to figure out what the combination of players and picks should be to make the trade look better than what it really is. He knows he will have to sell it to the fans and media. 

Cohen would be a waste of money, compensation coming back and they will probably ignore the position in the draft. Plus he's coming off injury and wasn't anything to write home about prior to the ACL. Hurts in so many different ways. Foles is pretty much done. He would never be able to play more than a few games anyway as his body just can't handle the NFL anymore. 

Just now, greendestiny27 said:

Cohen would be a waste of money, compensation coming back and they will probably ignore the position in the draft. Plus he's coming off injury and wasn't anything to write home about prior to the ACL. Hurts in so many different ways.

All true but can Howie sell Cohen to most fans as being a big plus for the eagles? In all honesty if Foles do return to the eagles, imo it's only bc Howie knows there are fans that would feel good seeing Foles in Green again. He can be sold to the fans as a plus. Maybe a small dig at Wentz too 🙂

16 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

It's not a publicly traded company. Lurie can do whatever he wants and we all get to enjoy the annual owners meeting at which they try and find mutually agreeable ground based on self-interest that continues to degrade the game. The fans luv scorin', let's give 'em more scorin'... oy

It's not??  I've been trying to buy shares on the NYSE for years.  This explains everything!  

Cohen would basically be filler in terms of trade value, but he’d also be a fantastic fit as a passing down back. 

I don’t get the angst. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Cohen would basically be filler in terms of trade value, but he’d also be a fantastic fit as a passing down back. 

I don’t get the angst. 

I'm personally traumatized by the 2020 Boston Scott experience that I immediately shun super-undersized backs.

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  Kadarius Toney

  WR Florida
  
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  34.
  Trevon Moehrig

  S TCU
  
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  Asante Samuel Jr.

  CB Florida State
  
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  Eric Stokes

  CB Georgia
  
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  Chazz Surratt

  LB North Carolina
  
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  Trey Sermon

  RB Ohio State
  
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  David Moore

  OG Grambling State
  
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  Cam Sample

  DT Tulane
  
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  Caden Sterns

  S Texas
   
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  168.
  Trey Hill

  OC Georgia
   
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  Tamorrion Terry

  WR Florida State
  

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Cohen would basically be filler in terms of trade value, but he’d also be a fantastic fit as a passing down back. 

I don’t get the angst. 

Agreed

9 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Cohen would be a waste of money, compensation coming back and they will probably ignore the position in the draft. Plus he's coming off injury and wasn't anything to write home about prior to the ACL. Hurts in so many different ways. Foles is pretty much done. He would never be able to play more than a few games anyway as his body just can't handle the NFL anymore. 

The only thing that makes sense if this rumor is true is that Foles and Cohen would be cap casualty dumps for Chicago, similar to Goff in Detroit.  LA didn't trade 2 1sts for Stafford.  They traded 1 first, and they were forced to give Detroit another first to take on Jared Goff's toxic contract.  Without looking it up, I think both Foles and Cohen combined would not be enticing for any team to inherit, especially our team.  

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Cohen would basically be filler in terms of trade value, but he’d also be a fantastic fit as a passing down back. 

I don’t get the angst. 

He recently had an injury. That might be a reason

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Cohen would basically be filler in terms of trade value, but he’d also be a fantastic fit as a passing down back. 

I don’t get the angst. 

The only reason I can see the Bears trading him would be to free up some cap space which they would need to do to make room for Wentz. However, we also need to free up cap space and already have a cheaper version of him in Scott. So if he were to be a part of the trade (which I doubt), I believe it would only be to move him again during the draft to another team for a pick. I doubt he would ever really be an Eagle. 

27 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Look, I think the sky isn’t falling.  They still have strength at OL and DL but that is aging and there are some real holes on the team.   The clearly need to be in a rebuild but we have to admit that Howie hasn’t performed well in retooling to date.  (Jones and Douglas at CB, Miller, Toohill and Avery at DE, Taylor, Bradley, Fort, Gerry at LB, Pryor, Herbig, Opeta, Wanogho on OL, JJAW and questions at WR).  Now, yes, lower round choices and UDFAs to be sure and I know the stats but need has exceeded the performance.  Using those same stats and it could take the Eagles decades to rebuild.  

The sky isn't falling... it's already fallen.  It hasn't bottomed out yet though... but it is close.  

Tony usually has really good information on the Eagles. 

 

9 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

But it was irrational to think the team could win with one starting CB and no LBs.  The thinking he was smarter than others in picking players is also irrational.   So are some of his draft picks and signings.  If he really is a consensus guy and was deferring to Schwartz on defensive picks, then he kept repeating the same mistake over and over again.  That is irrational.  You think the only pick failure is JJAW.  It isn’t. Also shying away from the strength of a draft or thinking you can wait until later because of depth and not learning from Pumphrey (Miller, Hightower) is crazy.  Your DC runs a ton of Cover 1 yet you keep getting him 4.62 CBs or munchkin CBs is irrational.  I recall you and I agreeing a decade ago when they cut loose DJax that he was unlikely to hold up, so trading for him and then restructuring for more money was irrational.  Restructuring Jeffery, with a history of injury and discontent with a guaranteed year was irrational.  Going from cutting players when they aged to signing them to long extensions and signing aging players on the hope that they would last just a little longer.  Structuring bonus money into phantom years and thinking the piper would never need to be paid is irrational. 

Look, I think the sky isn’t falling.  They still have strength at OL and DL but that is aging and there are some real holes on the team.   The clearly need to be in a rebuild but we have to admit that Howie hasn’t performed well in retooling to date.  (Jones and Douglas at CB, Miller, Toohill and Avery at DE, Taylor, Bradley, Fort, Gerry at LB, Pryor, Herbig, Opeta, Wanogho on OL, JJAW and questions at WR).  Now, yes, lower round choices and UDFAs to be sure and I know the stats but need has exceeded the performance.  Using those same stats and it could take the Eagles decades to rebuild.  

Howie gambled on keeping the window open. He lost. But it's very hard after winning a SB to say, "hey we got lucky, now we're gonna blow it up." And it's not just football, how many businessmen have Buffett's humility to admit that luck played a big part in their success. As the financial literature has shown, luck is more common than skill.

After 2017 Doug and Schwartz had maximum "pull" when it came to FAs and the draft, they had delivered the Holy Grail. 2018, they win 5 of their last 6 and Foles almost gets them past NO, defense was 12th in points allowed, offense was 18th but a lot of injuries. 2019 the offense rebounds to 12th in points, defense remains in the middle of the pack. The cracks are starting to show, and Howie admits it was time to rebuild. Then COVID comes along, and he makes a fatal miscalculation, driven probably by both the hope they can take advantage of the situation, but also the limited options to dump veterans in a year when there are fewer buyers than normal.

Notice they didn't bring in many new players in 2019, basically Malik b/c Jerrigan was damaged goods. Avery in mid-season. The Jeffrey restructure.

Most of the moves were made in 2018, coming off the SB, when they thought they were still a 10-12 win team.

Nor were the drafts terrible, mediocre yes, but not awful. Jones in 2017 at #43, JJAW at #57 in 2018, are the only two "bad" picks. All teams miss on some first and second day picks.

2017 was meh, Barnett is a solid starter at RDE, but below what you'd want at #14, 2018, Goedert was a good pick at #49, Sweat and Mailata were third day hits, 2019 Dillard is just bad luck, would have been the LT this past season, Sanders is a hit, 2020 added a lot of depth, forget Reagor  v Jefferson, and compare Reagor to most WRs taken at #21 (and 20 other teams passed on Jefferson), Hurts may end up starting, Driscoll is a good bet to be a starting OG, we'll see about the rest in a year or two.

So in the last four years they may end up with starters in Barnett, Goedert, Sweat, Mailata, Dillard, Sanders, Reagor, Driscoll, Hurts and maybe a couple others. Given they only had 3 1st rd picks, that's not a bad haul for four seasons - the average draft only produces 2 starters and a top backup unless you're picking in the top 10.

Last 8 years, best drafts were 2012, 2013, 2016,  worst, 2014, 2017.

20 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Cohen would basically be filler in terms of trade value, but he’d also be a fantastic fit as a passing down back. 

I don’t get the angst. 

The 'angst' is that he's coming off injury, and that by turning him down, they could get more draft picks coming back.   But, that's not accurate.  They are offering Cohen, because they do not want to offer more draft picks.   So, its Cohen as a throw in or nothing.  

The good news is that he costs only $1.4M next year.  So, they get a near free trial run, and he gets a 'prove it' year with the new coaching staff, and they can either keep him around for about $3.5M for 2022, and renegotiated after that or renegotiated at that point... or cut for no cost at any time after 2021.

13 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Cohen would basically be filler in terms of trade value, but he’d also be a fantastic fit as a passing down back. 

I don’t get the angst. 

The ACL injury is one thing, but his 2019 season was awful — not bad, awful.  The Carson Wentz of RB awful season.  3.3 yards per carry and 5.8 yards per reception are horrid numbers 

3 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Tony usually has really good information on the Eagles. 

 

I'm starting to get the feeling that Howie has a deal in place with Chicago he would be ok with taking, but wants to give it a couple more days to see if someone else will beat it.

10 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

The only reason I can see the Bears trading him would be to free up some cap space which they would need to do to make room for Wentz. However, we also need to free up cap space and already have a cheaper version of him in Scott. So if he were to be a part of the trade (which I doubt), I believe it would only be to move him again during the draft to another team for a pick. I doubt he would ever really be an Eagle. 

Cohen is much better than Scott and can serve as both KR and PR.