34 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

  The clearly need to be in a rebuild but we have to admit that Howie hasn’t performed well in retooling to date.  (Jones and Douglas at CB, Miller, Toohill and Avery at DE, Taylor, Bradley, Fort, Gerry at LB, Pryor, Herbig, Opeta, Wanogho on OL, JJAW and questions at WR).

We'll probably know more about Taylor and Bradley sometime during this season. 

 

The person I can't figure out why he's on your list is Herbig. He's probably one of the 5 positive stories about the 2020 team. He got better and better each game.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Cohen is much better than Scott and can serve as both KR and PR.  

I'm sure the Eagles could stash Scott on the practice squad unprotected, bring him up for the Giants twice, then toss him back down without so much as a sniff from another team.  

33 minutes ago, Eagles_All_Day said:

Imo he is going to Chi. I doubt Chi ups the offer. I think Howie is just trying to figure out what the combination of players and picks should be to make the trade look better than what it really is. He knows he will have to sell it to the fans and media. 

Second and Roquan. I’m good

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

The person I can't figure out why he's on your list is Herbig. He's probably one of the 5 positive stories about the 2020 team. He got better and better each game.

FWIW... I see Herbig as a long-term backup interior OL.  He's not a starter though.

The Eagles are a 4-11-1 team.

They just cleaned out their coaching staff.

They have a dearth of young talent.

They have too many overpriced, underperforming vets.

Their FA acquisition has been questionable at best.

And yet, we are to believe this is all just bad luck or more incredulously, that this actually represents a sound strategic plan. We are also to believe that things would be no different if competent executives were running the franchise.

 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Cohen is much better than Scott and can serve as both KR and PR.  

I think Cohen is a better receiver than Scott, but not necessarily a better runner. He does add RS value --- definitely more than Scott, but we really should be using Reagor to return punts for at least the next couple seasons. I would like to find an upgrade at KR, though.

Just now, hputenis said:

I'm sure the Eagles could stash Scott on the practice squad unprotected, bring him up for the Giants twice, then toss him back down without so much as a sniff from another team.  

Giants make get smart and grab him before the Eagles game just to protect themselves... or sign him like the Eagles did with James Thrash and Washington.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

FWIW... I see Herbig as a long-term backup interior OL.  He's not a starter though.

By the end of this season, I am no longer worried about Brooks' injury history. Herbig outplayed a lot of NFL starting OGs in the last month. His development over the season under Stoutland has me confident he'll continue to get even better and become the guy that takes over when Brooks is no longer here. 

2 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I think Cohen is a better receiver than Scott, but not necessarily a better runner. He does add RS value --- definitely more than Scott, but we really should be using Reagor to return punts for at least the next couple seasons. I would like to find an upgrade at KR, though.

Well, I see Scott's role as RB3, same as Cohen, which means he wouldn't be getting much in the way of running opportunities.   The Eagles desperately need another RB, preferably a bigger back... Picking up an extra pick or two from the Bears would put Najee Harris as a possibility for me in Round 2.

 

Scott as RB3, who can't play ST other than KR is a waste of a roster space.  Meanwhile, with Cohen at RB3, as a better pass receiver than Scott, PR and KR offers more value.... imo.

@austinfan  I'm just curious if you could partially come clean on your angle here.  All big companies employ buzz agents, an older term now largely replaced by influencers.  NFL franchises are no exception.  The old boards were a formal extension of a team-controlled site with enormous traffic.

While everyone has done a fantastic job with this site, the influence and reach here are pretty limited.  This blog is a niche little community.  There are understandably many fans out there who feel the Eagles do a better job than the combustible, demanding fanbase give them credit for.  So a pro-FO slant is fine.  

You take it so far and so consistently over the top on every issue that I just need to know the angle.  Are you trolling everyone?  Are you Lurie/Howie?  Related?  The time you invest in spinning around every decision, every draft, every failure...it's just...what's the motive here?

10 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The ACL injury is one thing, but his 2019 season was awful — not bad, awful.  The Carson Wentz of RB awful season.  3.3 yards per carry and 5.8 yards per reception are horrid numbers 

And he is no longer on his rookie deal, he was signed to a decent contract and now will be the first year off a fresh torn ACL. They will ignore RB in the draft most likely as well. Big time pass 

10 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

The Eagles are a 4-11-1 team.

They just cleaned out their coaching staff.

They have a dearth of young talent.

They have too many overpriced, underperforming vets.

Their FA acquisition has been questionable at best.

And yet, we are to believe this is all just bad luck or more incredulously, that this actually represents a sound strategic plan. We are also to believe that things would be no different if competent executives were running the franchise.

 

I struggle at the moment to think of 1 positive move/decision they have made since winning the SB.  Fulgham looked to be it this season, but then they benched him for an aging Alshon.  

Slay - He's good/great, but he's too much money and provides nothing for a 4 win team.

Hargrave - Too much money at a position where there's already way too much $$$

Every draft pick

Extend Brooks, bring back Peters......we could keep going.

Maybe Mailata.  That's about it.  

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

By the end of this season, I am no longer worried about Brooks' injury history. Herbig outplayed a lot of NFL starting OGs in the last month. His development over the season under Stoutland has me confident he'll continue to get even better and become the guy that takes over when Brooks is no longer here. 

We will have to disagree on that one.  He's a great depth piece, especially as an UDFA.  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Well, I see Scott's role as RB3, same as Cohen, which means he wouldn't be getting much in the way of running opportunities.   The Eagles desperately need another RB, preferably a bigger back... Picking up an extra pick or two from the Bears would put Najee Harris as a possibility for me in Round 2.

 

Scott as RB3, who can't play ST other than KR is a waste of a roster space.  Meanwhile, with Cohen at RB3, as a better pass receiver than Scott, PR and KR offers more value.... imo.

Cohen is making more money (than Scott) for a reason. We just can't really afford that right now, IMO. So I don't mind rolling with Scott for that reason. 

6 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

The Eagles are a 4-11-1 team.

They just cleaned out their coaching staff.

They have a dearth of young talent.

They have too many overpriced, underperforming vets.

Their FA acquisition has been questionable at best.

And yet, we are to believe this is all just bad luck or more incredulously, that this actually represents a sound strategic plan. We are also to believe that things would be no different if competent executives were running the franchise.

 

Yup- it’s Howie playing 4d chess while we only think he’s making bad pick after bad pick. 

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

My mother, who was great at reading to us, read us The Hobbit when I was about eight or nine.  Even though my sister and I read all the time, she read to us until we ere out of elementary school, always above our reading level.  She followed The Hobbit with the Lord of the Rings.  She also read us The Microbe Hunters, The Yearling and a whole host of other books.  Mom gave me The Jungles Books about he time she was reading us The Hobbit.   I also read those with my kids.  She turned me onto Tom Swift in second grade because she read his series as a kid.  

Mom also loved poetry and would recite poems to us all the time.  Is it any wonder I have enjoyed Amanda Gorman’s time in the spotlight so much.  As part of my speech minor, I took Reader’s Theatre in college, which taught how to read to an audience.   Recitation is an art.  Some of these kids probably don’t recall that Robert Frost was the Poet Laureate to deliver at Kennedy’s inauguration and would end his stump speech with a line from Frost.  

My favorite poem of all time by Mr Ferrell:

I gave my love to Erin. She promised to be true. 
I went to war to come back and find 5 British soldiers had their way with her. It was consensual.....

5 minutes ago, hputenis said:

I struggle at the moment to think of 1 positive move/decision they have made since winning the SB.  Fulgham looked to be it this season, but then they benched him for an aging Alshon.  

Slay - He's good/great, but he's too much money and provides nothing for a 4 win team.

Hargrave - Too much money at a position where there's already way too much $$$

Every draft pick

Extend Brook, bring back Peters......we could keep going.

Maybe Mailata.  That's about it.  

There isn't much to hang our hats on...

5 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Pederson’s whole approach on WRs was dumb.  Trying to train the WRs to play multiple positions and not focusing on their routes.  DeSean had great speed and was good at tracking long balls.  Hand catcher.   He goes down so you plug in Hightower on the same routes.  Hightower struggles with that kind of play but excelled at slants in college.  Bit of a body catcher.  That’s  just dumb.  There are only so many routes but Doug failed to differentiate his style.  Little presnap motion because he was so long in getting plays in.  You could literally see a screen before it was thrown because of how he lined up players.  Gone were the mesh plays.  Doug failed.  And if they failed to coach Carson up, that was a failure too. Yet the press is determined to reunite Wentz with Press Taylor, Passing Game Coordinator.  

12 plays out of 700+ snaps designed to get our 1st round pick the ball in space so he can do what he does best.  @Iggles_Phan and I talked about this, them asking the WR's to learn all the WR positions (sometimes TE roles) seriously hampers the young kids.

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Yup- it’s Howie playing 4d chess while we only think he’s making bad pick after bad pick. 

Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?

5 hours ago, vikas83 said:

The 2010 Eagles had real offensive talent (Jackson, Maclin, McCoy, Celek), a good O-line and stumbled into an MVP caliber QB through luck (Vick). I have always wondered what happens if Kolb doesn't get hurt against GB in the opener -- guessing they miss the playoffs and therefore the all-in dream team moves don't happen in 2011. 

I'd say they'd have won about 6 or 7 games...maybe getting to .500 at best with Kolb at the helm for 16 games.  Was that the year he almost got Jackson killed? 

 

10 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

And he is no longer on his rookie deal, he was signed to a decent contract and now will be the first year off a fresh torn ACL. They will ignore RB in the draft most likely as well. Big time pass 

I am hoping that a new HC, new offensive system and (hopefully) some self-evaluation... they will see the need for a bigger back, and that Cohen would be a Scott upgrade.  He would cost only $1.4M on the cap for 2021, and could be dropped at any point after that without any cost.  So, they are not on the hook for anything other than the guaranteed salary for 2021 ($1.4M)  that's peanuts.

Herbig was ok but he needs to get on a diet and shed the baby fat if he wants to be a starter or long term fixture in the NFL

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Herbig was ok but he needs to get on a diet and shed the baby fat if he wants to be a starter or long term fixture in the NFL

Hebig

11 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Cohen is making more money (than Scott) for a reason. We just can't really afford that right now, IMO. So I don't mind rolling with Scott for that reason. 

For 2021, Scott is a UDFA.  So, who knows what he might get.  Minimum is about $750k.  Cohen is locked in at $1.4M.  So the savings is pretty much inconsequential.