7 minutes ago, RLC said:

Yup.

For us to compete in 2022, we'd have to hit on 2021 in a major way. Yes we're picking at the top of each round, but I'm...skeptical. 

Well 4th round we aren’t picking at all. Plus the eagles might move back to try to get more picks or future picks so there’s always the chance they aren’t picking at the top of the rounds. 

16 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I don't consider it a steal paying a dude who's somewhere between the 13th and 15th best QB in the NFL(as a most likely best case scenario) that much money. He's not gonna be good enough to win  you a Super Bowl, so it's just a waste of everyone's time.

That's fair enough after this past season, but his ceiling is and was much higher than 13th and 15th.  He was ranked higher than that going into this past season by smart people, and he ished the bed, and so did everyone else around him.  

I'd like to keep fighting about this, but I do pray to the high heavens that your signature actually happens.  It won't.  Chase will go 1 pick earlier and Howie will explode his diaper in the war room.  Here's how it plays out.

Goodell:  "Here's Tim.  He's a die-hard Eagles fan and part of our Make a Wish foundation.  Tim, go ahead and open the envelope."

Tim: (with loud applause): "With the 6th pick in the 2021 NFL draft, the Eagles select.........(whispers to Roger - "Are you bullsheetin me?")

Goodell:  "Gimme that kid."  Mac Jones!  The Eagles select Mac Jones!  (Mic still on.  Holy crap - how the F did these guys win the SB?)  

 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Well... I think everyone knows that Jefferson was my guy.   So... yeah...  🤦‍♂️

Yea I remember you banging the table for Van Jefferson 

It's a 2 year rebuild, probably win 5-6 games next year and pick in the top ten again. Maybe go 7-9  in 2022. Come 2023 out of cap hell and can add 3-4 FAs to fill out the top 30.

When you're picking that high, they should find 4-5 starters out of the 2021-22 drafts to add to their roster, and they have more youth than people want to give them credit for, one impact of the injuries this year was "open audition", a lot of players failed but a few stepped up like Herbig. That's how you build young depth. Add in UDFAs (we'll be a hot destination b/c roster spots are there for the taking) and SFAs and raiding PS squads and you can add a lot of youth quickly. It's not just filling out the starting roster, you need depth and ST players to compete.

When you commit to a rebuild, and have a good developmental staff, you can revamp the roster fairly quickly - I think teams struggle either b/c they bring in veteran coaches who'd rather patch with veterans and win now than patiently develop kids or they just don't hire the right guys. The key is patience, if you start pushing to win games over player development, you end up doing neither.

26 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

If Goedert can ever stay healthy he’s an impact player. Sanders can be too, but he’s a running back so it barely matters to a team’s W-L record. Mailata looks really promising. 

Beyond that, I see some solid players and a lottery ticket in Hurts. 

That’s horrible. 

A little pessimistic. Dillard was considered a top LT prospect, nothing has changed except he missed a year. Driscoll is an excellent technician, could be special at G, only issue at RT was he has short arms. Reagor and Watkins have big play potential if used correctly. Fulgham might be salvaged with hard coaching. Sweat is improving each year, may never start but could be 3rd down sackmeister.

Just now, austinfan said:

A little pessimistic. Dillard was considered a top LT prospect, nothing has changed except he missed a year. Driscoll is an excellent technician, could be special at G, only issue at RT was he has short arms. Reagor and Watkins have big play potential if used correctly. Fulgham might be salvaged with hard coaching. Sweat is improving each year, may never start but could be 3rd down sackmeister.

Where do you think we rank amongst the league in young talent? 

Just now, ManuManu said:

Where do you think we rank amongst the league in young talent? 

35th?

43 minutes ago, austinfan said:

With the veterans phased out over two years, that buys time to replace guys like Graham, Cox, McLeod, Slay, Kelce, Brooks, Lane.

I laughed at this last part... add Ertz to the list here... "when the remaining top players and difference makers are gone.... you know, the guys that were part of a championship team and drafted by not-Howie... boy the Eagles will be in great shape.”

The list of remaining young players is absolutely sad, if you are comparing to a competitive NFL roster.  

The bill for nepotism and total incompetence has come due.  We all get to bear the cost.  Stay invested and support the team, sure... get ready for some more los g seasons.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Where do you think we rank amongst the league in young talent? 

"If you ain’t first you’re last” 

9 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

You are excusing bad decision making.  Howie has a pattern of this.  Dream team, OR player draft for Chip, bad extensions.  If this is consensus with the coaches, then he is a bad manager.  If this is trying to extend the Super Bowl team too long, then he is doing a lousy job of informing Lurie of what is likely to go wrong with an aging roster.  Their most successful draft choice this year was a fourth round G playing RT out of necessity and then getting hurt.  Look, I know you look to see the bright side of your team.  I have a bit of a tendency to do that too.  But I struggle to see Howie’s success.  I do think he does have a strong scouting staff, although how he manages the information from them is spotty at best.  As the consensus builder, he sucks by leaning the wrong way. 

Dream team was AR, who had wrangled personnel power. Same with Chip who made the playoffs the first year then took over and pushed Howie into the shadows.

I'm quite sure he laid out the options for Lurie, gamble on a repeat or blow it up. A choice that drastic would require Lurie's approval.

Lurie wants a consensus organization, he's seen with both AR and Chip what happens when you let a HC call the shots. But you also can't lock the HC out, his ass is on the line.

So it's a tough balance, how much do you defer to the coaches, how much to the personnel guys - I think the key is getting them on the same page.

The reason I like Sirianni is he's player development oriented, so are many of his coaches, and that jibes better with the draft than say Doug and Schwartz. Some coaches are more comfortable with veterans who don't need hands on coaching, allowing them to focus on game planning and execution, not teaching fundamentals. Stoutland to me is a great teacher who can get his pupils to put his lessons into action.

Now come 2023 Sirianni will have to shift from developing players to winning with those same players, some HCs can, some can't. AR was great at that, but lost site of development and the talent base eroded. Again, you need to balance win now and win later.

I don’t feel like going back to find the OP but I’m calling BS on the Howie got in vets faces after a player only meeting. First, I’m not buying a talk show producer has credible sources no one else has. Second, no way would a pip squeak accountant get in the faces of players like Cox, Graham, Kelce, Peters etc. 

12 minutes ago, austinfan said:

A little pessimistic. Dillard was considered a top LT prospect, nothing has changed except he missed a year. Driscoll is an excellent technician, could be special at G, only issue at RT was he has short arms. Reagor and Watkins have big play potential if used correctly. Fulgham might be salvaged with hard coaching. Sweat is improving each year, may never start but could be 3rd down sackmeister.

All 32 teams can spin the narrative this way to say their roster is in good shape.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Cohen is much better than Scott and can serve as both KR and PR.  

In what world? Plus Scott is not recovering from a serious knee injury.  I just don’t get the hate for Scott.  (Not just you). Great PS poach by the Eagles with great upside.  May be Howie’s best move in the last couple of yeArs.  He’s not a starter but neither is Cohen.  Similar speed and agility but Scott has 20 pounds on him.  Better catching the ball and on par running it.  Don’t judge anything about his KORs because the STs were a mess this year.  Give me a large back for the #2 position and rotate Scott.  He should excel in the Sirianni offense.  We already have Cohen light in Huntley . 

Scott

• Stats

					Games		Rushing								Receiving											Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Rush	Yds	TD	1D	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
Career					29	6	141	619	6	33	56	4.4	21.3	4.9	62	49	416	8.5	1	18	39	1.7	14.3	79.0%		190	5.4	1035	7	6	6
2018	23	PHI		49	2	0	0	0	0		0		0.0	0.0												0		0	0	0	0
2019	24	PHI		35	11	2	61	245	5	17	25	4.0	22.3	5.5	26	24	204	8.5	0	10	39	2.2	18.5	92.3%	7.8	85	5.3	449	5	4	3
2020	25	PHI	rb	35	16	4	80	374	1	16	56	4.7	23.4	5.0	36	25	212	8.5	1	8	18	1.6	13.3	69.4%	5.9	105	5.6	586	2	2	3

Cohen

• Pro

					Games		Rushing								Receiving											Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Rush	Yds	TD	1D	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
Career					51	22	264	1101	5	57	46	4.2	21.6	5.2	275	209	1575	7.5	9	58	70	4.1	30.9	76.0%		473	5.7	2676	14	13	22
2017	22	CHI		29	16	4	87	370	2	19	46	4.3	23.1	5.4	71	53	353	6.7	1	9	70	3.3	22.1	74.6%	5.0	140	5.2	723	3	3	6
2018*+	23	CHI	RB	29	16	7	99	444	3	20	32	4.5	27.8	6.2	91	71	725	10.2	5	30	70	4.4	45.3	78.0%	8.0	170	6.9	1169	8	7	10
2019	24	CHI	RB	29	16	11	64	213	0	15	19	3.3	13.3	4.0	104	79	456	5.8	3	18	31	4.9	28.5	76.0%	4.4	143	4.7	669	3	3	5
2020	25	CHI		29	3	0	14	74	0	3	17	5.3	24.7	4.7	9	6	41	6.8	0	1	20	2.0	13.7	66.7%	4.6	20	5.8	115	0	0	1

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Where do you think we rank amongst the league in young talent? 

Probably middle of the pack, but our roster is lopsided, what we lack are the 26-30 year old starters in their peak years, like we had in 2017.

Go look at most rosters, you'll find a dozen drafted players in their early to mid 20s, a few in their peak year and a bunch of aging veterans and veteran patches.

We brought in a lot of youth this past season (the rebuild began at the back of the roster) but the top starters are over 30 (or on IR!).

Because so many starters were injured, the transition will be fast, we won't even notice when DeSean, Jeffrey, Ertz, Peters and Malik are gone

The only veterans who actually played this year were Cox, Graham, Kelce and Slay - even McLeod was injured.

So keep those four, add Brooks and Lane, and you won't notice much difference with more kids playing.

So given a healthy OL, our baseline is probably 6-10 with Hurts starting.

 

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I think Cohen is a better receiver than Scott, but not necessarily a better runner. He does add RS value --- definitely more than Scott, but we really should be using Reagor to return punts for at least the next couple seasons. I would like to find an upgrade at KR, though.

But he isn’t a better receiver. Look at the stats.  KOR is a dying position.  NFL doesn’t want kickoff returns.

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

But he isn’t a better receiver. Look at the stats.  KOR is a dying position.  NFL doesn’t want kickoff returns.

They need a back in this draft, maybe even two. A Jonathan Taylor plus a Nyhiem Hynes style backs. I'd take Javonte Williams and Javian Hawkins. Completely overhauled RB room. Scott and Huntley can compete for the 4th. 

18 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don’t feel like going back to find the OP but I’m calling BS on the Howie got in vets faces after a player only meeting. First, I’m not buying a talk show producer has credible sources no one else has. Second, no way would a pip squeak accountant get in the faces of players like Cox, Graham, Kelce, Peters etc. 

During the season there was reports that Ertz and Howie got into it over his contract

40 minutes ago, austinfan said:

It's a 2 year rebuild, probably win 5-6 games next year and pick in the top ten again. Maybe go 7-9  in 2022. Come 2023 out of cap hell and can add 3-4 FAs to fill out the top 30.

When you're picking that high, they should find 4-5 starters out of the 2021-22 drafts to add to their roster, and they have more youth than people want to give them credit for, one impact of the injuries this year was "open audition", a lot of players failed but a few stepped up like Herbig. That's how you build young depth. Add in UDFAs (we'll be a hot destination b/c roster spots are there for the taking) and SFAs and raiding PS squads and you can add a lot of youth quickly. It's not just filling out the starting roster, you need depth and ST players to compete.

When you commit to a rebuild, and have a good developmental staff, you can revamp the roster fairly quickly - I think teams struggle either b/c they bring in veteran coaches who'd rather patch with veterans and win now than patiently develop kids or they just don't hire the right guys. The key is patience, if you start pushing to win games over player development, you end up doing neither.

Yea sounds real likely with Weasel Loseman making the picks!! 👎👎👎

28 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don’t feel like going back to find the OP but I’m calling BS on the Howie got in vets faces after a player only meeting. First, I’m not buying a talk show producer has credible sources no one else has. Second, no way would a pip squeak accountant get in the faces of players like Cox, Graham, Kelce, Peters etc. 

Where did this rumor come from...I haven’t seen/heard this. 

Just now, no1birdsfan said:

Where did this rumor come about I haven’t seen thisWhere did this rumor come about I haven’t seen this

Tyrone Johnson from 97.5

10 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

During the season there was reports that Ertz and Howie got into it over his contract

I know, but even Ertz downplayed that and there was no other anonymous player sources confirming it. I can’t even see Howie getting in a soft player like Ertz’s face. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I know, but even Ertz downplayed that and there was no other anonymous player sources confirming it. I can’t even see Howie getting in a soft player like Ertz’s face. 

Maybe he knew ertz would go down before contact 

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

@austinfan  I'm just curious if you could partially come clean on your angle here.  All big companies employ buzz agents, an older term now largely replaced by influencers.  NFL franchises are no exception.  The old boards were a formal extension of a team-controlled site with enormous traffic.

While everyone has done a fantastic job with this site, the influence and reach here are pretty limited.  This blog is a niche little community.  There are understandably many fans out there who feel the Eagles do a better job than the combustible, demanding fanbase give them credit for.  So a pro-FO slant is fine.  

You take it so far and so consistently over the top on every issue that I just need to know the angle.  Are you trolling everyone?  Are you Lurie/Howie?  Related?  The time you invest in spinning around every decision, every draft, every failure...it's just...what's the motive here?

He is the polar opposite of you.  Your negativity sometimes seems over the top as does your obsession with receivers, especially speedy receivers.  He is a published economist/lawyer with some experience in lobbying.  I believe you are a neurologist.  He is not an Eagles plant.  He knows about our new location because I reached out to him to try and get him to join.  While his optimism is over the top some times so is your negativity.  No trolling, just personality differences.  I don’t think you are trolling for speed WR agents nor that Afan trolls for the Eagles.  He recalls the really bad seasons and yet maintains his fandom in the face of adversity.  I am glad both of you made the move.  Afan was like this when he was Arlington Fan and is pretty consistent arguing positives for the Eagles.  Always a champion of the little guy too.  Considering the setbacks he has experienced, his ability to keep a positive view is admirable.

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

He is the polar opposite of you.  Your negativity sometimes seems over the top as does your obsession with receivers, especially speedy receivers.  He is a published economist/lawyer with some experience in lobbying.  I believe you are a neurologist.  He is not an Eagles plant.  He knows about our new location because I reached out to him to try and get him to join.  While his optimism is over the top some times so is your negativity.  No trolling, just personality differences.  I don’t think you are trolling for speed WR agents nor that Afan trolls for the Eagles.  He recalls the really bad seasons and yet maintains his fandom in the face of adversity.  I am glad both of you made the move.  Afan was like this when he was Arlington Fan and is pretty consistent arguing positives for the Eagles.  Always a champion of the little guy too.  Considering the setbacks he has experienced, his ability to keep a positive view is admirable.

I am not a neurologist.

2 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

12 plays out of 700+ snaps designed to get our 1st round pick the ball in space so he can do what he does best.  @Iggles_Phan and I talked about this, them asking the WR's to learn all the WR positions (sometimes TE roles) seriously hampers the young kids.

When you, @Iggles_Phan and I agree, write it in stone.  Frankly, that is one of the things that excites me about Sirianni. That and his passing coordinator has experience as a WR coach.